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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com> on 2008/09/30 20:45:00 UTC
[ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of
these lists)
I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that supports
using hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and
at the prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
Note: at this time, it is *not* ready for prime-time use, but for
hackers it should be reasonably sane-- If it eats babies or blows up
your computer, you've been warned.
At this time, I've got push to Subversion working except for some
known defects listed in TODO, and pull has been stable for quite some
time. That said, a lot of this code is kind of scary, and could use
some cleanup. I've been working on this alone, so it's under-
documented and makes bad assumptions both on the Subversion side and
on the Mercurial side. I'd love to have people from both projects look
at this and submit comments and patches to make it even more robust.
Happy hacking!
Augie
Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>.
On Sep 30, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> I'd love to see a mailing list set up for it, issue tracker, etc. And
> um, some sort of basic docs -- 'here's the design' and 'here's how to
> use it'.
Mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/hgsubversion/
Issues now moved from the TODO file into the BitBucket issue tracker.
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>
> wrote:
>> Third try might be the charm, evidently the email address I used
>> isn't the
>> one that is subscribed here.
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: September 30, 2008 3:45:00 PM CDT
>>> To: dev@subversion.tigris.org, mercurial-devel
>>> <me...@selenic.com>
>>> Subject: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
>>>
>>> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of
>>> these
>>> lists)
>>>
>>> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that
>>> supports
>>> using hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit,
>>> and at the
>>> prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
>>>
>>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>>>
>>> Note: at this time, it is *not* ready for prime-time use, but for
>>> hackers
>>> it should be reasonably sane-- If it eats babies or blows up your
>>> computer,
>>> you've been warned.
>>>
>>> At this time, I've got push to Subversion working except for some
>>> known
>>> defects listed in TODO, and pull has been stable for quite some
>>> time. That
>>> said, a lot of this code is kind of scary, and could use some
>>> cleanup. I've
>>> been working on this alone, so it's under-documented and makes bad
>>> assumptions both on the Subversion side and on the Mercurial side.
>>> I'd love
>>> to have people from both projects look at this and submit comments
>>> and
>>> patches to make it even more robust.
>>>
>>> Happy hacking!
>>>
>>> Augie
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mercurial-devel mailing list
>>> Mercurial-devel@selenic.com
>>> http://selenic.com/mailman/listinfo/mercurial-devel
>>
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@red-bean.com>.
I'd love to see a mailing list set up for it, issue tracker, etc. And
um, some sort of basic docs -- 'here's the design' and 'here's how to
use it'.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com> wrote:
> Third try might be the charm, evidently the email address I used isn't the
> one that is subscribed here.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>
>> Date: September 30, 2008 3:45:00 PM CDT
>> To: dev@subversion.tigris.org, mercurial-devel
>> <me...@selenic.com>
>> Subject: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
>>
>> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of these
>> lists)
>>
>> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that supports
>> using hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and at the
>> prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
>>
>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>>
>> Note: at this time, it is *not* ready for prime-time use, but for hackers
>> it should be reasonably sane-- If it eats babies or blows up your computer,
>> you've been warned.
>>
>> At this time, I've got push to Subversion working except for some known
>> defects listed in TODO, and pull has been stable for quite some time. That
>> said, a lot of this code is kind of scary, and could use some cleanup. I've
>> been working on this alone, so it's under-documented and makes bad
>> assumptions both on the Subversion side and on the Mercurial side. I'd love
>> to have people from both projects look at this and submit comments and
>> patches to make it even more robust.
>>
>> Happy hacking!
>>
>> Augie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mercurial-devel mailing list
>> Mercurial-devel@selenic.com
>> http://selenic.com/mailman/listinfo/mercurial-devel
>
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@xbc.nu>.
Augie Fackler wrote:
> Just to verify: I do *have* to rename this?
In my opinion, no.
There's identity protection, and there's being anal so much it hurts. No
offence intended, Karl.
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Travis <sv...@castle.fastmail.fm>.
On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Augie Fackler wrote:
> I totally get it, I'm just a bit baffled. I figured since it was a
> portmanteau of two words it wouldn't be a problem.
A portmanteau word would blend the words, like mercursub or
something. I'm not suggesting that.
Just pointing out that I don't believe hgsubversion is a
portmanteau. It appears to be a compound word.
-Travis
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"Ben Collins-Sussman" <su...@red-bean.com> writes:
> Is that our strongest conviction on this -- "would be better"? I
> can't see any trademark issue here.
>
> 'hgsvn' is already taken, and I don't see how the name 'hgsubversion'
> is "likely to cause confusion as to the identity of the Subversion
> project" or "indicates a greater degree of association between you and
> the Subversion project than actually exists" or "implies a designated
> successor to Subversion". I don't think anyone is going to look at
> that name and think that the software is part of Subversion itself,
> officially associated with Subversion, or is a successor to
> Subversion. It's got 'hg' in the name, so that pretty much makes it
> clear that it's some sort of bridge to a completely different VC
> system.
I didn't know 'hgsvn' was already taken when I responded. Had it not
been taken, 'hgsvn' would have been obviously the better name.
I'm fine with it if the other members are. It *will* cause some small
amount of confusion, but only a little, and easy remedied. (Ben, you
live and breathe this stuff -- to you, "hg" is a two-letter word
suffused with meaning. To others, it's the letter "h" followed by the
letter "g". But anyone who doesn't know will quickly learn.)
-K
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@red-bean.com>.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com> wrote:
>>> I'll gladly rename the project if necessary. It seems like such a
>>> silly thing.
>>
>> "hgsvn" would be better, yeah.
Is that our strongest conviction on this -- "would be better"? I
can't see any trademark issue here.
'hgsvn' is already taken, and I don't see how the name 'hgsubversion'
is "likely to cause confusion as to the identity of the Subversion
project" or "indicates a greater degree of association between you and
the Subversion project than actually exists" or "implies a designated
successor to Subversion". I don't think anyone is going to look at
that name and think that the software is part of Subversion itself,
officially associated with Subversion, or is a successor to
Subversion. It's got 'hg' in the name, so that pretty much makes it
clear that it's some sort of bridge to a completely different VC
system.
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>.
On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Karl Fogel wrote:
> Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com> writes:
>>> Augie Fackler wrote on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 at 17:37 -0500:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Does our (Subversion's) trademark policy allow the name
>>> "hgsubversion" in
>>> this context?
>>
>> Ugh, I hate this kind of junk.
>>
>> If someone from the Subversion Corporation wants to weigh in, I'd
>> appreciate it before I get too much further with documentation. I
>> don't see any reason why there *should* be a problem with the name,
>> given my desire is to work with both communities, not against either.
>
> Oh, it has nothing to do with goodwill or intentions -- trademarks are
> just about preventing identity confusion, that's all.
I totally get it, I'm just a bit baffled. I figured since it was a
portmanteau of two words it wouldn't be a problem.
>> I'll gladly rename the project if necessary. It seems like such a
>> silly thing.
>
> "hgsvn" would be better, yeah.
>
> http://subversion.org/legal/trademark-policy.html is the document to
> read on this. It's short, readable, and very clear on this question.
As it turns out, hgsvn is another project that does something similar,
but different. I'll have to invent some new name tomorrow.
Just to verify: I do *have* to rename this?
>> (mumbling vexedly about intellectual property being exceedingly
>> annoying right now)
>
> :-)
>
> I understand that this wasn't where you wanted to spend mental energy,
> but trademarks -- that is, identities! -- are important. Without a
> distinguishable identity, users can't be sure what they're getting.
> Subversion got a trademark policy in response to actual situations in
> which its identity was being diluted or mixed up.
>
> Personally, I hate the term "intellectual property", because it
> confuses
> identity protection (trademarks) with the totally unrelated activities
> of restricting copying (copyrights) and restricting implementation
> (patents). http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/not-ipr.xhtml is a
> great
> article about this.
>
> -Karl
>
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com> writes:
>> Augie Fackler wrote on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 at 17:37 -0500:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>>>>
>>
>> Does our (Subversion's) trademark policy allow the name
>> "hgsubversion" in
>> this context?
>
> Ugh, I hate this kind of junk.
>
> If someone from the Subversion Corporation wants to weigh in, I'd
> appreciate it before I get too much further with documentation. I
> don't see any reason why there *should* be a problem with the name,
> given my desire is to work with both communities, not against either.
Oh, it has nothing to do with goodwill or intentions -- trademarks are
just about preventing identity confusion, that's all.
> I'll gladly rename the project if necessary. It seems like such a
> silly thing.
"hgsvn" would be better, yeah.
http://subversion.org/legal/trademark-policy.html is the document to
read on this. It's short, readable, and very clear on this question.
> (mumbling vexedly about intellectual property being exceedingly
> annoying right now)
:-)
I understand that this wasn't where you wanted to spend mental energy,
but trademarks -- that is, identities! -- are important. Without a
distinguishable identity, users can't be sure what they're getting.
Subversion got a trademark policy in response to actual situations in
which its identity was being diluted or mixed up.
Personally, I hate the term "intellectual property", because it confuses
identity protection (trademarks) with the totally unrelated activities
of restricting copying (copyrights) and restricting implementation
(patents). http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/not-ipr.xhtml is a great
article about this.
-Karl
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>.
On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Augie Fackler wrote on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 at 17:37 -0500:
>>>
>>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>>>
>
> Does our (Subversion's) trademark policy allow the name
> "hgsubversion" in
> this context?
Ugh, I hate this kind of junk.
If someone from the Subversion Corporation wants to weigh in, I'd
appreciate it before I get too much further with documentation. I
don't see any reason why there *should* be a problem with the name,
given my desire is to work with both communities, not against either.
I'll gladly rename the project if necessary. It seems like such a
silly thing.
Augie
(mumbling vexedly about intellectual property being exceedingly
annoying right now)
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Re: Fwd: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Augie Fackler wrote on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 at 17:37 -0500:
> Third try might be the charm, evidently the email address I used isn't the one
> that is subscribed here.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>
> > Date: September 30, 2008 3:45:00 PM CDT
> > To: dev@subversion.tigris.org, mercurial-devel <me...@selenic.com>
> > Subject: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
> >
> > Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of these
> > lists)
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that supports using
> > hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and at the
> > prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
> >
For some time I've been considering what VCS to put my homedir under.
I'll look at your extension, then, to see if it will fit this use.
> > http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
> >
Does our (Subversion's) trademark policy allow the name "hgsubversion" in
this context?
Daniel
> > Note: at this time, it is *not* ready for prime-time use, but for hackers it
> > should be reasonably sane-- If it eats babies or blows up your computer,
> > you've been warned.
> >
> > At this time, I've got push to Subversion working except for some known
> > defects listed in TODO, and pull has been stable for quite some time. That
> > said, a lot of this code is kind of scary, and could use some cleanup. I've
> > been working on this alone, so it's under-documented and makes bad
> > assumptions both on the Subversion side and on the Mercurial side. I'd love
> > to have people from both projects look at this and submit comments and
> > patches to make it even more robust.
> >
> > Happy hacking!
> >
> > Augie
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mercurial-devel mailing list
> > Mercurial-devel@selenic.com
> > http://selenic.com/mailman/listinfo/mercurial-devel
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Fwd: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>.
Third try might be the charm, evidently the email address I used isn't
the one that is subscribed here.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>
> Date: September 30, 2008 3:45:00 PM CDT
> To: dev@subversion.tigris.org, mercurial-devel <mercurial-devel@selenic.com
> >
> Subject: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
>
> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of
> these lists)
>
> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that
> supports using hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of
> fruit, and at the prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the
> wild.
>
> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>
> Note: at this time, it is *not* ready for prime-time use, but for
> hackers it should be reasonably sane-- If it eats babies or blows up
> your computer, you've been warned.
>
> At this time, I've got push to Subversion working except for some
> known defects listed in TODO, and pull has been stable for quite
> some time. That said, a lot of this code is kind of scary, and could
> use some cleanup. I've been working on this alone, so it's under-
> documented and makes bad assumptions both on the Subversion side and
> on the Mercurial side. I'd love to have people from both projects
> look at this and submit comments and patches to make it even more
> robust.
>
> Happy hacking!
>
> Augie
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mercurial-devel mailing list
> Mercurial-devel@selenic.com
> http://selenic.com/mailman/listinfo/mercurial-devel
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Benoit Boissinot <bb...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Shun-ichi GOTO <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/10/1 Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>:
>> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of these
>> lists)
>>
>> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that supports using
>> hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and at the
>> prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
>>
>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>
> Interesting!
> I need a small fix to run on win32.
> With this patch, I successed svnclone for my one local svn repo
> (but not yet fully checked).
>
> diff -r 89f88df794d3 -r 1f6fb5310711 hg_delta_editor.py
> --- a/hg_delta_editor.py Tue Sep 30 18:01:35 2008 -0500
> +++ b/hg_delta_editor.py Thu Oct 02 20:10:48 2008 +0900
> @@ -27,6 +27,8 @@
> except:
> raise
> else:
> + if os.path.exists(file_path):
> + os.remove(file_path)
> os.rename(path, file_path)
just use util.rename instead, it takes care of this.
regards,
Benoit
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Augie Fackler <li...@durin42.com>.
On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Shun-ichi GOTO wrote:
> 2008/10/1 Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>:
>> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of
>> these
>> lists)
>>
>> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that
>> supports using
>> hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and at
>> the
>> prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
>>
>> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
>
> Interesting!
> I need a small fix to run on win32.
> With this patch, I successed svnclone for my one local svn repo
> (but not yet fully checked).
Excellent! I'm glad it worked with so few changes. Your diffs, with a
few changes on my part (I want to keep the svn wrappers independent of
hg), are in the repo now.
I don't have a win32 machine to test on, so I greatly appreciate the
help.
(Thanks also to Patrick and Benoit for the tip on util.rename())
Peace,
Augie
>
>
> diff -r 89f88df794d3 -r 1f6fb5310711 hg_delta_editor.py
> --- a/hg_delta_editor.py Tue Sep 30 18:01:35 2008 -0500
> +++ b/hg_delta_editor.py Thu Oct 02 20:10:48 2008 +0900
> @@ -27,6 +27,8 @@
> except:
> raise
> else:
> + if os.path.exists(file_path):
> + os.remove(file_path)
> os.rename(path, file_path)
>
> def stash_exception_on_self(fn):
> diff -r 89f88df794d3 -r 1f6fb5310711 svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py
> --- a/svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py Tue Sep 30 18:01:35 2008 -0500
> +++ b/svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py Thu Oct 02 20:10:48 2008 +0900
> @@ -1,10 +1,11 @@
> import cStringIO
> import getpass
> import os
> -import pwd
> import shutil
> import sys
> import tempfile
> +
> +from mercurial.util import getuser
>
> from svn import client
> from svn import core
> @@ -89,7 +90,7 @@
> # while we're in here we'll recreate our pool
> self.pool = core.Pool()
> self.client_context = client.create_context()
> - self.uname = str(pwd.getpwuid(os.getuid())[0])
> + self.uname = getuser()
> core.svn_auth_set_parameter(self.auth_baton,
>
> core.SVN_AUTH_PARAM_DEFAULT_USERNAME,
> self.uname)
>
> --
> Shun-ichi GOTO
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Re: [ANN] hgsubversion - patches wanted!
Posted by Shun-ichi GOTO <sh...@gmail.com>.
2008/10/1 Augie Fackler <du...@gmail.com>:
> Greetings all! (and apologies for you fellow VC junkies on both of these
> lists)
>
> I'm pleased to announce my work on a Mercurial extension that supports using
> hg as a Subversion client has borne a fair amount of fruit, and at the
> prodding of some friends I'm releasing it to the wild.
>
> http://www.bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/
Interesting!
I need a small fix to run on win32.
With this patch, I successed svnclone for my one local svn repo
(but not yet fully checked).
diff -r 89f88df794d3 -r 1f6fb5310711 hg_delta_editor.py
--- a/hg_delta_editor.py Tue Sep 30 18:01:35 2008 -0500
+++ b/hg_delta_editor.py Thu Oct 02 20:10:48 2008 +0900
@@ -27,6 +27,8 @@
except:
raise
else:
+ if os.path.exists(file_path):
+ os.remove(file_path)
os.rename(path, file_path)
def stash_exception_on_self(fn):
diff -r 89f88df794d3 -r 1f6fb5310711 svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py
--- a/svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py Tue Sep 30 18:01:35 2008 -0500
+++ b/svnwrap/svn_swig_wrapper.py Thu Oct 02 20:10:48 2008 +0900
@@ -1,10 +1,11 @@
import cStringIO
import getpass
import os
-import pwd
import shutil
import sys
import tempfile
+
+from mercurial.util import getuser
from svn import client
from svn import core
@@ -89,7 +90,7 @@
# while we're in here we'll recreate our pool
self.pool = core.Pool()
self.client_context = client.create_context()
- self.uname = str(pwd.getpwuid(os.getuid())[0])
+ self.uname = getuser()
core.svn_auth_set_parameter(self.auth_baton,
core.SVN_AUTH_PARAM_DEFAULT_USERNAME,
self.uname)
--
Shun-ichi GOTO
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