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LDAP Authentication
Any one know of a good source of information for
configuring Lenya to authenticate via LDAP?
Thanks,
Kirk
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Torsten Schlabach wrote:
[...]
> Fine. And where in the whole Lenya source code is that class ever used?
> Where is the LDAPAccreditableManager (see:
> http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon-lenya/AuthenticationAndAuthorizationBackgrounder).
> Where is the LDAPUserManager? And the like?
None of this is necessary.
The relevant code is:
cocoon-lenya/src/webapp/lenya/content/admin/users/user-admin.js
if (ldap) {
var ldapUser = new
Packages.org.apache.lenya.ac.ldap.LDAPUser(configDir);
unizh/pubs/unitemplate/lenya/xslt/admin/users/users.xsl
<input type="hidden" name="lenya.usecase" value="userAddUserLdap"/>
> That class appears to me as if someone has started to develop all that but
> did not finish. Or if he or she finished it: How about checking it in
> whoever has done that work already?
It is not necessary to check in additional code.
> incubating-lenya-1.2final1-src/src/java # grep -r LDAPUser *
You missed to search the webapp (it happens in the flowscript).
HTH,
-- Andreas
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <TS...@gmx.net>.
Jan,
>> We are actually using lenya Version 1.2 together with our ldap server.
What flavor of 1.2? 1.2RC xyz, the recent 1.2 release, ...?
>> One class who deals with ldap: org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java
Fine. And where in the whole Lenya source code is that class ever used?
Where is the LDAPAccreditableManager (see:
http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon-lenya/AuthenticationAndAuthorizationBackgrounder).
Where is the LDAPUserManager? And the like?
That class appears to me as if someone has started to develop all that but
did not finish. Or if he or she finished it: How about checking it in
whoever has done that work already?
I have attached a grep -r on the Lenya source. Compare to your's.
Torsten
*** SNIP ***
incubating-lenya-1.2final1-src/src/java # grep -r LDAPUser *
org/apache/lenya/ac/impl/LDAPUserAuthenticator.java:public class
LDAPUserAuthenticator extends AbstractLogEnabled implements Authenticator {
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java:/* $Id: LDAPUser.java,v 1.4
2004/03/03 12:56:33 gregor Exp $ */
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java:public class LDAPUser extends
FileUser {
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: private static Category log =
Category.getInstance(LDAPUser.class);
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * Creates a new LDAPUser object.
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: public LDAPUser() {
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * Creates a new LDAPUser object.
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: public LDAPUser(File
configurationDirectory) {
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * Create an LDAPUser
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * user id of LDAPUser
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * of LDAPUser
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * of LDAPUser
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: public LDAPUser(File
configurationDirectory, String id, String email, String ldapId)
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * Create a new LDAPUser from a
configuration
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * The LDAPUser doesn't store any
passwords as they are handled by LDAP
org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java: * The LDAPUser doesn't store any
passwords as they are handled by LDAP
*** SNIP ***
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Kirk Storer wrote:
>
> > What version of Lenya are you using? I am running 1.2
> > and have numerous errors. I am currently trying to
> > modify it to get it working. Any suggestions on what
> > needs to be changed?
> >
>
> Did you use the Uni Publication and what kind of errors did you get?
> We are actually using lenya Version 1.2 together with our ldap server.
> You have to customize ldap.properties dependinge on your ldap setup. We
> are e.g. using SSL for authentication and we therefore need a keystore for
> storing the certifcate ......
>
> Jann
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.unizh.ch>.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Kirk Storer wrote:
> What version of Lenya are you using? I am running 1.2
> and have numerous errors. I am currently trying to
> modify it to get it working. Any suggestions on what
> needs to be changed?
>
Did you use the Uni Publication and what kind of errors did you get?
We are actually using lenya Version 1.2 together with our ldap server.
You have to customize ldap.properties dependinge on your ldap setup. We
are e.g. using SSL for authentication and we therefore need a keystore for
storing the certifcate ......
Jann
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Kirk Storer <ba...@yahoo.com>.
What version of Lenya are you using? I am running 1.2
and have numerous errors. I am currently trying to
modify it to get it working. Any suggestions on what
needs to be changed?
Kirk
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.unizh.ch>.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Torsten Schlabach wrote:
> >> Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP.
> >> However, the "default
> >> publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
>
> I think this is how an urban legend evolves! If enough people keep repeating
> what they heared from other people the public will start to accept it as a
> fact! See:
> http://www.ulrc.com.au/html/Frequently_Asked_Questions.asp?FAQRefNum=FAQ0003
>
> >> If you install the "Uni" publication (see http://wyona.org/) you will see
> >> an example. The subdirectory lenya/pubs/default/config/ac/passwd has a
> >> README on what you need to do (basically, just edit ldap.properties and
> >> add the server certificate to the keystore)
>
> I have done that and all I saw was an error message. The README says hardly
> anything else except: "Put the LDAP context in the config file". But there
> is nothing in the Lenya code that will do anything useful with it.
>
> I might be wrong but so far nobody has told me the name of the classes in
> Lenya that implement anyhting LDAP related.
>
We run the "Uni" publication and we did integrated LDAP and it works
pretty well and this certainly is no urban legend ;-)
One class who deals with ldap: org/apache/lenya/ac/ldap/LDAPUser.java
You can find inststuction howto download the uni publication under
http://www.wyona.org/.
Jann
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <TS...@gmx.net>.
>> I understand; the best thing in the short term is probably to add a
>> How-To to the Wiki. Would you like me to send you per e-mail a
>> preliminary How-To ?
>> Once we completed and confirmed it, we would put it in the wiki area
Very good plan!
Torsten
> Torsten Schlabach <TSchlabach <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
> > Sorry, I did not mean to blame anyone. It's just annoying that the
> question
> > has been asked 100 times on the mailing list, the stereotype answer is:
> > Browse the archives, it's all in there. But all that's in the archives
> is
> > this unitemplate beeing mentioned and *any* question of *anyone*
> (including
> > myself some weeks or months earlier) reporting that he or she could not
> make
> > it work was silently ignored.
> >
> > As a result I was using quite some amount of time to dig through the
> source
> > code and get a view on how LDAP authentication could be implemented.
> This is
> > why I was quite sure it is not yet done.
>
> I understand; the best thing in the short term is probably to add a How-To
> to
> the Wiki. Would you like me to send you per e-mail a preliminary How-To ?
> We should have this by the end of the week.
> Once we completed and confirmed it, we would put it in the wiki area
>
> The best thing, as Thorsten suggested, will be to integrate LDAP
> off-the-shelf
> into the default publication, but lets do one thing at a time :)
>
> > Anyway; as soon as I find the time I will get a fresh download of Lenya,
> > download the unitemplate again and post the error message. (I understand
> > this is what you've done and what has worked for you.)
>
> Yes, we tried it first in the unitemplate area, to make sure the LDAP
> connection was working with our server. Then we basically copied some
> files
> >from the unitemplate publication to the default publication, and it
> worked
> there as well.
>
>
>
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Wolfgang Kaltz <jw...@yahoo.com>.
Torsten Schlabach <TSchlabach <at> gmx.net> writes:
> Sorry, I did not mean to blame anyone. It's just annoying that the question
> has been asked 100 times on the mailing list, the stereotype answer is:
> Browse the archives, it's all in there. But all that's in the archives is
> this unitemplate beeing mentioned and *any* question of *anyone* (including
> myself some weeks or months earlier) reporting that he or she could not make
> it work was silently ignored.
>
> As a result I was using quite some amount of time to dig through the source
> code and get a view on how LDAP authentication could be implemented. This is
> why I was quite sure it is not yet done.
I understand; the best thing in the short term is probably to add a How-To to
the Wiki. Would you like me to send you per e-mail a preliminary How-To ?
We should have this by the end of the week.
Once we completed and confirmed it, we would put it in the wiki area
The best thing, as Thorsten suggested, will be to integrate LDAP off-the-shelf
into the default publication, but lets do one thing at a time :)
> Anyway; as soon as I find the time I will get a fresh download of Lenya,
> download the unitemplate again and post the error message. (I understand
> this is what you've done and what has worked for you.)
Yes, we tried it first in the unitemplate area, to make sure the LDAP
connection was working with our server. Then we basically copied some files
from the unitemplate publication to the default publication, and it worked
there as well.
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <TS...@gmx.net>.
>> And what makes you think I was just repeating what I heard from other
>> people?
Sorry, I did not mean to blame anyone. It's just annoying that the question
has been asked 100 times on the mailing list, the stereotype answer is:
Browse the archives, it's all in there. But all that's in the archives is
this unitemplate beeing mentioned and *any* question of *anyone* (including
myself some weeks or months earlier) reporting that he or she could not make
it work was silently ignored.
As a result I was using quite some amount of time to dig through the source
code and get a view on how LDAP authentication could be implemented. This is
why I was quite sure it is not yet done.
Also what scares me is that some of the committers obviously don't know it's
in there ...
Anyway; as soon as I find the time I will get a fresh download of Lenya,
download the unitemplate again and post the error message. (I understand
this is what you've done and what has worked for you.)
Torsten
> Torsten Schlabach <TSchlabach <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
> >
> > >> Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP.
> > >> However, the "default
> > >> publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
> >
> > I think this is how an urban legend evolves! If enough people keep
> repeating
> > what they heared from other people the public will start to accept it as
> a
> > fact! See:
> >
>
http://www.ulrc.com.au/html/Frequently_Asked_Questions.asp?FAQRefNum=FAQ0003
>
> And what makes you think I was just repeating what I heard from other
> people?
> The fact of the matter is, we checked out the current state of Lenya last
> week,
> adapted the ldap.properties in the unitemplate to our LDAP name, and ...
> it
> works.
> By "it works", I don't mean "I heard that it works", I mean I actually add
> existing LDAP users as "CMS users" in Lenya, and from then on can log in
> (with the LDAP password).
>
> @Thorsten: I will try to put together a patch, for now we're still
> completing our doc on how to copy the LDAP stuff from the unitemplate to
> the
> default publication (among other things ;))
>
> > I have done that and all I saw was an error message.
>
> You must realize that this is not detailed enough for us to provide any
> kind
> of meaningful help
>
> > The README says hardly
> > anything else except: "Put the LDAP context in the config file". But
> there
> > is nothing in the Lenya code that will do anything useful with it.
>
> I disagree
>
> >
> > I might be wrong but so far nobody has told me the name of the classes
> in
> > Lenya that implement anyhting LDAP related.
>
> I have not looked into the source code of Lenya in this regard, because
> there was no need for me. A search on "ldap" in the Lenya sources does
> however
> give quite a few results.
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Wolfgang Kaltz <jw...@yahoo.com>.
Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz <at> ping.de> writes:
> What is "unitemplate" ? Is it a part of Lenya ?!
It is part of a publication using Lenya, but not within the Lenya distribution.
You can get this publication ( "University of Zurich Lenya Publication")
as described on http://wyona.org
That will give you several directories which you can copy into your "lenya/pubs"
subdirectory of your Lenya installation.
Once you do that, you should see on the Lenya start page the "Unicom"
publication. If you look at the link, you will see it points to the
"unitemplate" subdirectory; in this you will also find the LDAP files
(such as ldap.properties)
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
> The fact of the matter is, we checked out the current state of Lenya last
week,
> adapted the ldap.properties in the unitemplate to our LDAP name, and ... it
> works.
What is "unitemplate" ? Is it a part of Lenya ?!
Andreas
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Wolfgang Kaltz <jw...@yahoo.com>.
Torsten Schlabach <TSchlabach <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
> >> Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP.
> >> However, the "default
> >> publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
>
> I think this is how an urban legend evolves! If enough people keep repeating
> what they heared from other people the public will start to accept it as a
> fact! See:
> http://www.ulrc.com.au/html/Frequently_Asked_Questions.asp?FAQRefNum=FAQ0003
And what makes you think I was just repeating what I heard from other people?
The fact of the matter is, we checked out the current state of Lenya last week,
adapted the ldap.properties in the unitemplate to our LDAP name, and ... it
works.
By "it works", I don't mean "I heard that it works", I mean I actually add
existing LDAP users as "CMS users" in Lenya, and from then on can log in
(with the LDAP password).
@Thorsten: I will try to put together a patch, for now we're still
completing our doc on how to copy the LDAP stuff from the unitemplate to the
default publication (among other things ;))
> I have done that and all I saw was an error message.
You must realize that this is not detailed enough for us to provide any kind
of meaningful help
> The README says hardly
> anything else except: "Put the LDAP context in the config file". But there
> is nothing in the Lenya code that will do anything useful with it.
I disagree
>
> I might be wrong but so far nobody has told me the name of the classes in
> Lenya that implement anyhting LDAP related.
I have not looked into the source code of Lenya in this regard, because
there was no need for me. A search on "ldap" in the Lenya sources does however
give quite a few results.
Good luck
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <TS...@gmx.net>.
>> Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP.
>> However, the "default
>> publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
I think this is how an urban legend evolves! If enough people keep repeating
what they heared from other people the public will start to accept it as a
fact! See:
http://www.ulrc.com.au/html/Frequently_Asked_Questions.asp?FAQRefNum=FAQ0003
>> If you install the "Uni" publication (see http://wyona.org/) you will see
>> an example. The subdirectory lenya/pubs/default/config/ac/passwd has a
>> README on what you need to do (basically, just edit ldap.properties and
>> add the server certificate to the keystore)
I have done that and all I saw was an error message. The README says hardly
anything else except: "Put the LDAP context in the config file". But there
is nothing in the Lenya code that will do anything useful with it.
I might be wrong but so far nobody has told me the name of the classes in
Lenya that implement anyhting LDAP related.
Torsten
> Scherler, Thorsten <thorsten <at> apache.org> writes:
>
> > ...maybe you can join forces and come up with a solution that we can
> > incooperate into the 1.2.1 release.
> >
> > Here are some mails from Torsten regarding LDAP:
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev <at>
> cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4883
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev <at>
> cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4784
>
> The links don't work right now, so I'm not sure if the following has
> already
> been said:
>
> Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP. However, the "default
> publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
> If you install the "Uni" publication (see http://wyona.org/) you will see
> an
> example. The subdirectory lenya/pubs/default/config/ac/passwd has a README
> on what you need to do (basically, just edit ldap.properties and add the
> server certificate to the keystore)
>
> If you want to use the "default publication" as your basis, you will need
> to update the admin GUI as well, in order to have the LDAP relevant
> buttons.
> In the "unitemplate" directory, this is handled within
> lenya/xslt/admin
>
> The idea seems to be that you define a user of Lenya as being an LDAP
> user.
> The userid of the Lenya user need not be identical with the userid in LDAP
> (but can be identical).
> Once you have done that, this user can login using his LDAP password. But,
> you
> still need to add group permissions to him within Lenya. It would be
> conceivable to configure these groups within LDAP, but I don't think this
> has
> been implemented.
>
> The question is whether LDAP integration should be shown in the default
> publication. If it is, then it would make using LDAP simpler, obviously.
> But, the LDAP relevant information would then appear in the default, even
> for
> people who don't use LDAP - so this could be confusing.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Cheers Wolfgang,
before I comment your mail, one question:
Can you provide a patch for the default pub regarding LDAP integration?
If so I would be happy to commit that patch!
Thanks for this howto!!!
Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP. However, the "default
>publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
>If you install the "Uni" publication (see http://wyona.org/) you will see an
>example. The subdirectory lenya/pubs/default/config/ac/passwd has a README
>on what you need to do (basically, just edit ldap.properties and add the
>server certificate to the keystore)
>
>
>
Torsten wrote that the uni-pub is not working with the 1.2 release (I
haven't checked it). Can you attach the readme to
http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon-lenya/AuthenticationAndAuthorizationBackgrounder?
>If you want to use the "default publication" as your basis, you will need
>to update the admin GUI as well, in order to have the LDAP relevant buttons.
>In the "unitemplate" directory, this is handled within
> lenya/xslt/admin
>
>The idea seems to be that you define a user of Lenya as being an LDAP user.
>The userid of the Lenya user need not be identical with the userid in LDAP
>(but can be identical).
>Once you have done that, this user can login using his LDAP password. But, you
>still need to add group permissions to him within Lenya. It would be
>conceivable to configure these groups within LDAP, but I don't think this has
>been implemented.
>
>The question is whether LDAP integration should be shown in the default
>publication. If it is, then it would make using LDAP simpler, obviously.
>But, the LDAP relevant information would then appear in the default, even for
>people who don't use LDAP - so this could be confusing.
>
>
>
Just make it an option!
Like a <select><option/></select>, one for "standard" and another for
LDAP. If you choose LDAP that brings you to a config page where you can
add your host, base DN, user dn and password.
This way we would have it in the default pub without confusing the user.
WDYT?
thorsten
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Departamento de Desarrollo de Proyectos
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Wolfgang Kaltz <jw...@yahoo.com>.
Scherler, Thorsten <thorsten <at> apache.org> writes:
> ...maybe you can join forces and come up with a solution that we can
> incooperate into the 1.2.1 release.
>
> Here are some mails from Torsten regarding LDAP:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev <at>
cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4883
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev <at>
cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4784
The links don't work right now, so I'm not sure if the following has already
been said:
Lenya is actually already integrated with LDAP. However, the "default
publication" doesn't have it in the GUI.
If you install the "Uni" publication (see http://wyona.org/) you will see an
example. The subdirectory lenya/pubs/default/config/ac/passwd has a README
on what you need to do (basically, just edit ldap.properties and add the
server certificate to the keystore)
If you want to use the "default publication" as your basis, you will need
to update the admin GUI as well, in order to have the LDAP relevant buttons.
In the "unitemplate" directory, this is handled within
lenya/xslt/admin
The idea seems to be that you define a user of Lenya as being an LDAP user.
The userid of the Lenya user need not be identical with the userid in LDAP
(but can be identical).
Once you have done that, this user can login using his LDAP password. But, you
still need to add group permissions to him within Lenya. It would be
conceivable to configure these groups within LDAP, but I don't think this has
been implemented.
The question is whether LDAP integration should be shown in the default
publication. If it is, then it would make using LDAP simpler, obviously.
But, the LDAP relevant information would then appear in the default, even for
people who don't use LDAP - so this could be confusing.
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Kirk Storer wrote:
> Any one know of a good source of information for
> configuring Lenya to authenticate via LDAP?
>
Hello Kirk,
have a look at
http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon-lenya/AuthenticationAndAuthorizationBackgrounder
Torsten Schlabach is as well looking for the integration of LDAP-Auth in
to lenya. He is the author of the above mentioned page!
...maybe you can join forces and come up with a solution that we can
incooperate into the 1.2.1 release.
Here are some mails from Torsten regarding LDAP:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev@cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4883
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=lenya-dev@cocoon.apache.org&msgNo=4784
HTH
thorsten
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Hubertus Groepper <hu...@groepper.com>.
Am 12.07.2004 um 22:24 schrieb Kirk Storer:
> Where is the email archive?
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SummarizeList?listName=lenya-
user@cocoon.apache.org
hubertus
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Kirk Storer <ba...@yahoo.com>.
Where is the email archive?
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Re: LDAP Authentication
Posted by Jean Pierre LeJacq <jp...@quoininc.com>.
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Kirk Storer wrote:
> Any one know of a good source of information for
> configuring Lenya to authenticate via LDAP?
Please take a look at the email archive. There's been a long
thread on this topic.
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