You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to user@vcl.apache.org by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> on 2012/05/04 19:00:22 UTC
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
> am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
> vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
More info is here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
-and-
http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
> complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
> (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
> very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
> specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
> if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
> I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
> best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
project is using Sphinx:
http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
-Andy
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence
>> wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked
>> quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>
>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying
>> platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving
>> away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management System". More
>> information is here:
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>
>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the
>> ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>
>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Peeler
> Program Manager
> Virtual Computing Lab
> NC State University
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
I think this is a good direction as well.
Andy - thanks for moving it forward.
Josh
On Monday, May 07, 2012 2:17:43 PM Andy Kurth wrote:
> I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without
> affecting the existing website/Confluence. The "getting started"
> instructions are here:
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>
> I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
> CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
> commits:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
>
> I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
> create the infrastructure Jira request.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <MI...@ecu.edu> wrote:
> > I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide
> > alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site
> > generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on
> > many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a
> > reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the
> > current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such
> > tools:
> >
> > http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tony Miller
> > Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
> > millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
> > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
> > To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
> >
> > On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> >> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu>
wrote:
> >>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
> >>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
> >>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server
> >>> space to run any type of CMS?>>
> >> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> >> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> >> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> >> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> >> More info is here:
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> >> -and-
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
> >
> > Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason
> > not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates
> > are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
> >
> > Aaron Coburn
> >
> >>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
> >>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend
> >>> a
> >>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
> >>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
> >>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
> >>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
> >>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
> >>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
> >>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based
> >>> updates
> >>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
> >>
> >> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> >> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
> >> project is using Sphinx:
> >> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
> >>
> >> -Andy
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
> >>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
> >>>
> >>> Aaron
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL)
> >>>> could
> >>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
> >>>> Confluence wiki site
> >>>> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm
> >>>> not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked
> >>>> quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing
> >>>> up.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help
> >>>> from
> >>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
> >>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but
> >>>> the
> >>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
> >>>> System". More information is here:
> >>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
> >>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
> >>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
> >>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
> >>>>
> >>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue.
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Andy
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Aaron Peeler
> >>> Program Manager
> >>> Virtual Computing Lab
> >>> NC State University
> >>>
> >>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> >>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> >>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
- --
- -------------------------------
Josh Thompson
VCL Developer
North Carolina State University
my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
iEYEARECAAYFAk+oFCQACgkQV/LQcNdtPQNRSACfft+0VqstxfjzjzrcLzxS1Izy
49gAn0sELWqXXicpDc2C0VTph6V7okbk
=wHjL
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Alexander Patterson <al...@csueastbay.edu>.
I think adding the IRC web chat to the new layout would be great,
people wouldn't need the irc cilent to chat or get help from
#aslvcl
+ would hopefully bring more people to chat
http://webchat.freenode.net/
-Alex
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu> wrote:
> I like the theme. Very clean and professional.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> I like the suggestions. I have updated
>> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/index.html.
>>
>> I also worked on the css file. It's very basic. Any help from
>> someone with an eye for design is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> It would be nice to figure out some way for the left nav bar to expand
>> based on the page you're on.
>>
>> I'm going to start migrating the content from Confluence, starting
>> with the pages under Information.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>>> Thanks Josh,
>>>
>>> I like the general categories you set up. I would probably be a little more terse in the naming of the links:
>>>
>>> General
>>> * About
>>> * Downloads
>>> * License
>>> * FAQ
>>>
>>> Documentation
>>> * Installation
>>> * User's Guide
>>> * Managing Images
>>> * Administration
>>>
>>> Community
>>> * Get Involved
>>> * Mailing Lists
>>> * Wiki
>>>
>>> ASF
>>> * Apache Software Foundation
>>> * Thanks
>>> * Become a Sponsor
>>>
>>> I like the idea of having a FAQ page, though perhaps that could be part of a wiki?
>>>
>>> I think the "Requirements for using VCL" should be part of the Installation guide (which I think should go under Documentation). I wasn't sure how VCL Installer Docs differed from Installation Guide, but having both links is confusing.
>>>
>>> I would also take out "Latest Release", since the "Downloads" page should contain that information.
>>>
>>> I was unclear what "VCL Support" meant so I wouldn't include it.
>>>
>>> I also would remove "Becoming a committer" because that should be part of the "Get Involved" page. Finally, I might add a link for a wiki, since ASF will provide access to one if we wish -- do you think that would be useful for the project?
>>>
>>> Aaron Coburn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> I started putting together a nav area. It's just a start at some ideas I
>>>> thought might make it easier for people to find the information they are
>>>> looking for. I committed the changes, but did not publish them to production.
>>>> You can see it at the staging URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:43:32 AM Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>>> CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
>>>>> sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
>>>>> nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
>>>>> displaying multiple sets for each version.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
>>>>> bar so that content can start to be added.
>>>>>
>>>>> Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
>>>>> bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
>>>>> https://cms.apache.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Also review the CMS reference:
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>>
>>>>> -Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to
>>>>>>> graduation:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
>>>>>>> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
>>>>>>> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
>>>>>>> away and start fresh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's reasonable, IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF
>>>>>> branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here --
>>>>>> can hunt down a pointer…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --kevan
>>>> - --
>>>> - -------------------------------
>>>> Josh Thompson
>>>> VCL Developer
>>>> North Carolina State University
>>>>
>>>> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>>>>
>>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
>>>>
>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlAIJq0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMBdwCcCm1G54KLA5qG7E+WGKwmZCDp
>>>> oOoAn30Cfi1UmYbFmbCPLkDmzdrhFNEY
>>>> =9guT
>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Gardner
> --
--
Thanks,
Alex Patterson
User Support Services
Operating System Analyst
California State University, East Bay
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu>.
I like the theme. Very clean and professional.
Mark
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> I like the suggestions. I have updated
> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/index.html.
>
> I also worked on the css file. It's very basic. Any help from
> someone with an eye for design is greatly appreciated.
>
> It would be nice to figure out some way for the left nav bar to expand
> based on the page you're on.
>
> I'm going to start migrating the content from Confluence, starting
> with the pages under Information.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> I like the general categories you set up. I would probably be a little more terse in the naming of the links:
>>
>> General
>> * About
>> * Downloads
>> * License
>> * FAQ
>>
>> Documentation
>> * Installation
>> * User's Guide
>> * Managing Images
>> * Administration
>>
>> Community
>> * Get Involved
>> * Mailing Lists
>> * Wiki
>>
>> ASF
>> * Apache Software Foundation
>> * Thanks
>> * Become a Sponsor
>>
>> I like the idea of having a FAQ page, though perhaps that could be part of a wiki?
>>
>> I think the "Requirements for using VCL" should be part of the Installation guide (which I think should go under Documentation). I wasn't sure how VCL Installer Docs differed from Installation Guide, but having both links is confusing.
>>
>> I would also take out "Latest Release", since the "Downloads" page should contain that information.
>>
>> I was unclear what "VCL Support" meant so I wouldn't include it.
>>
>> I also would remove "Becoming a committer" because that should be part of the "Get Involved" page. Finally, I might add a link for a wiki, since ASF will provide access to one if we wish -- do you think that would be useful for the project?
>>
>> Aaron Coburn
>>
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> I started putting together a nav area. It's just a start at some ideas I
>>> thought might make it easier for people to find the information they are
>>> looking for. I committed the changes, but did not publish them to production.
>>> You can see it at the staging URL:
>>>
>>> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:43:32 AM Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>> CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
>>>>
>>>> We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
>>>> sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
>>>> nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
>>>> displaying multiple sets for each version.
>>>>
>>>> I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
>>>> bar so that content can start to be added.
>>>>
>>>> Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
>>>> bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
>>>> https://cms.apache.org/
>>>>
>>>> Also review the CMS reference:
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>
>>>> -Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>>>> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to
>>>>>> graduation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
>>>>>> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
>>>>>> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
>>>>>> away and start fresh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's reasonable, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF
>>>>> branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here --
>>>>> can hunt down a pointer…
>>>>>
>>>>> --kevan
>>> - --
>>> - -------------------------------
>>> Josh Thompson
>>> VCL Developer
>>> North Carolina State University
>>>
>>> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>>>
>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
>>>
>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlAIJq0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMBdwCcCm1G54KLA5qG7E+WGKwmZCDp
>>> oOoAn30Cfi1UmYbFmbCPLkDmzdrhFNEY
>>> =9guT
>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>
>>
--
Mark Gardner
--
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
I like the suggestions. I have updated
http://vcl.staging.apache.org/index.html.
I also worked on the css file. It's very basic. Any help from
someone with an eye for design is greatly appreciated.
It would be nice to figure out some way for the left nav bar to expand
based on the page you're on.
I'm going to start migrating the content from Confluence, starting
with the pages under Information.
-Andy
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> Thanks Josh,
>
> I like the general categories you set up. I would probably be a little more terse in the naming of the links:
>
> General
> * About
> * Downloads
> * License
> * FAQ
>
> Documentation
> * Installation
> * User's Guide
> * Managing Images
> * Administration
>
> Community
> * Get Involved
> * Mailing Lists
> * Wiki
>
> ASF
> * Apache Software Foundation
> * Thanks
> * Become a Sponsor
>
> I like the idea of having a FAQ page, though perhaps that could be part of a wiki?
>
> I think the "Requirements for using VCL" should be part of the Installation guide (which I think should go under Documentation). I wasn't sure how VCL Installer Docs differed from Installation Guide, but having both links is confusing.
>
> I would also take out "Latest Release", since the "Downloads" page should contain that information.
>
> I was unclear what "VCL Support" meant so I wouldn't include it.
>
> I also would remove "Becoming a committer" because that should be part of the "Get Involved" page. Finally, I might add a link for a wiki, since ASF will provide access to one if we wish -- do you think that would be useful for the project?
>
> Aaron Coburn
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> I started putting together a nav area. It's just a start at some ideas I
>> thought might make it easier for people to find the information they are
>> looking for. I committed the changes, but did not publish them to production.
>> You can see it at the staging URL:
>>
>> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:43:32 AM Andy Kurth wrote:
>>> CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
>>>
>>> We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
>>> sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
>>> nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
>>> displaying multiple sets for each version.
>>>
>>> I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
>>> bar so that content can start to be added.
>>>
>>> Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
>>> bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
>>> https://cms.apache.org/
>>>
>>> Also review the CMS reference:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>>> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to
>>>>> graduation:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
>>>>> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
>>>>> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
>>>>> away and start fresh.
>>>>>
>>>>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
>>>>
>>>> That's reasonable, IMO.
>>>>
>>>> As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF
>>>> branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here --
>>>> can hunt down a pointer…
>>>>
>>>> --kevan
>> - --
>> - -------------------------------
>> Josh Thompson
>> VCL Developer
>> North Carolina State University
>>
>> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iEYEARECAAYFAlAIJq0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMBdwCcCm1G54KLA5qG7E+WGKwmZCDp
>> oOoAn30Cfi1UmYbFmbCPLkDmzdrhFNEY
>> =9guT
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu>.
Thanks Josh,
I like the general categories you set up. I would probably be a little more terse in the naming of the links:
General
* About
* Downloads
* License
* FAQ
Documentation
* Installation
* User's Guide
* Managing Images
* Administration
Community
* Get Involved
* Mailing Lists
* Wiki
ASF
* Apache Software Foundation
* Thanks
* Become a Sponsor
I like the idea of having a FAQ page, though perhaps that could be part of a wiki?
I think the "Requirements for using VCL" should be part of the Installation guide (which I think should go under Documentation). I wasn't sure how VCL Installer Docs differed from Installation Guide, but having both links is confusing.
I would also take out "Latest Release", since the "Downloads" page should contain that information.
I was unclear what "VCL Support" meant so I wouldn't include it.
I also would remove "Becoming a committer" because that should be part of the "Get Involved" page. Finally, I might add a link for a wiki, since ASF will provide access to one if we wish -- do you think that would be useful for the project?
Aaron Coburn
On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I started putting together a nav area. It's just a start at some ideas I
> thought might make it easier for people to find the information they are
> looking for. I committed the changes, but did not publish them to production.
> You can see it at the staging URL:
>
> http://vcl.staging.apache.org/
>
> Josh
>
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:43:32 AM Andy Kurth wrote:
>> CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
>>
>> We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
>> sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
>> nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
>> displaying multiple sets for each version.
>>
>> I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
>> bar so that content can start to be added.
>>
>> Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
>> bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
>> https://cms.apache.org/
>>
>> Also review the CMS reference:
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to
>>>> graduation:
>>>>
>>>> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
>>>> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
>>>> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
>>>> away and start fresh.
>>>>
>>>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
>>>
>>> That's reasonable, IMO.
>>>
>>> As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF
>>> branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here --
>>> can hunt down a pointer…
>>>
>>> --kevan
> - --
> - -------------------------------
> Josh Thompson
> VCL Developer
> North Carolina State University
>
> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAlAIJq0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMBdwCcCm1G54KLA5qG7E+WGKwmZCDp
> oOoAn30Cfi1UmYbFmbCPLkDmzdrhFNEY
> =9guT
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
I started putting together a nav area. It's just a start at some ideas I
thought might make it easier for people to find the information they are
looking for. I committed the changes, but did not publish them to production.
You can see it at the staging URL:
http://vcl.staging.apache.org/
Josh
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:43:32 AM Andy Kurth wrote:
> CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
>
> We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
> sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
> nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
> displaying multiple sets for each version.
>
> I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
> bar so that content can start to be added.
>
> Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
> bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
> https://cms.apache.org/
>
> Also review the CMS reference:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>
> -Andy
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to
> >> graduation:
> >>
> >> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
> >> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
> >> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
> >> away and start fresh.
> >>
> >> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
> >
> > That's reasonable, IMO.
> >
> > As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF
> > branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here --
> > can hunt down a pointer…
> >
> > --kevan
- --
- -------------------------------
Josh Thompson
VCL Developer
North Carolina State University
my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)
iEYEARECAAYFAlAIJq0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMBdwCcCm1G54KLA5qG7E+WGKwmZCDp
oOoAn30Cfi1UmYbFmbCPLkDmzdrhFNEY
=9guT
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
CMS has been set up: http://vcl.apache.org/index.html
We need to start discussing the design. I looked around at other ASF
sites. I like how rave.apache.org is simple and organized with a left
nav bar, and how there is a single documentation link rather than
displaying multiple sets for each version.
I think the first step is to create a basic template with a navigation
bar so that content can start to be added.
Committers should have access to edit things after installing the
bookmarklet at the bottom of this page:
https://cms.apache.org/
Also review the CMS reference:
http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
-Andy
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to graduation:
>>
>> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
>> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
>> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
>> away and start fresh.
>>
>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
>
> That's reasonable, IMO.
>
> As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here -- can hunt down a pointer…
>
> --kevan
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to graduation:
>
> Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
> Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
> CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
> away and start fresh.
>
> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
That's reasonable, IMO.
As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here -- can hunt down a pointer…
--kevan
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to graduation:
Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49
Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a
CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that
away and start fresh.
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761)
-Andy
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> Just an update. We are waiting for the ASF infrastructure group to
> set up the CMS. The Jira issue I created on 5/7 has not been updated
> and I don't know of any work that has been done. I sent a message to
> the infrastructure list today asking about the status.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site
>>
>> I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using
>> a different set of template files:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn
>>
>> I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ
>> page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only
>> change I made was to replace "stanbol" with "vcl" wherever it existed.
>>
>> I made a request to infrastructure:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without
>>> affecting the existing website/Confluence. The "getting started"
>>> instructions are here:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>>>
>>> I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
>>> CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
>>> commits:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
>>>
>>> I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
>>> create the infrastructure Jira request.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <MI...@ecu.edu> wrote:
>>>> I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
>>>>
>>>> http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tony Miller
>>>> Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
>>>> millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
>>>> To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>>>>>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>>>>>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
>>>>> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
>>>>> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
>>>>> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
>>>>> More info is here:
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
>>>>> -and-
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Coburn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>>>>>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>>>>>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>>>>>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>>>>>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>>>>>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>>>>>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>>>>>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>>>>>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>>>>>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
>>>>> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
>>>>> project is using Sphinx:
>>>>> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>>>>>
>>>>> -Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>>>>>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>>>>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>>>>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>>>>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>>>>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>>>>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>>>>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>>>>>> System". More information is here:
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>>>>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Aaron Peeler
>>>>>> Program Manager
>>>>>> Virtual Computing Lab
>>>>>> NC State University
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>>>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>>>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>>>
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
Just an update. We are waiting for the ASF infrastructure group to
set up the CMS. The Jira issue I created on 5/7 has not been updated
and I don't know of any work that has been done. I sent a message to
the infrastructure list today asking about the status.
-Andy
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site
>
> I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using
> a different set of template files:
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn
>
> I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ
> page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only
> change I made was to replace "stanbol" with "vcl" wherever it existed.
>
> I made a request to infrastructure:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761
>
> -Andy
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without
>> affecting the existing website/Confluence. The "getting started"
>> instructions are here:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>>
>> I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
>> CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
>> commits:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
>>
>> I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
>> create the infrastructure Jira request.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <MI...@ecu.edu> wrote:
>>> I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
>>>
>>> http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tony Miller
>>> Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
>>> millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
>>> To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>>>>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>>>>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>>>>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
>>>> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
>>>> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
>>>> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
>>>> More info is here:
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
>>>> -and-
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>
>>> Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
>>>
>>> Aaron Coburn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>>>>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>>>>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>>>>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>>>>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>>>>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>>>>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>>>>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>>>>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>>>>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>>>>
>>>> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
>>>> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
>>>> project is using Sphinx:
>>>> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>>>>
>>>> -Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>>>>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>>>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>>>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>>>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>>>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>>>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>>>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>>>>> System". More information is here:
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>>>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Aaron Peeler
>>>>> Program Manager
>>>>> Virtual Computing Lab
>>>>> NC State University
>>>>>
>>>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>>
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site
I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using
a different set of template files:
http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn
I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ
page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only
change I made was to replace "stanbol" with "vcl" wherever it existed.
I made a request to infrastructure:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761
-Andy
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without
> affecting the existing website/Confluence. The "getting started"
> instructions are here:
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>
> I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
> CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
> commits:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
>
> I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
> create the infrastructure Jira request.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <MI...@ecu.edu> wrote:
>> I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
>>
>> http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tony Miller
>> Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
>> millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
>> To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>>>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>>>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>>>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>>>
>>> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
>>> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
>>> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
>>> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
>>> More info is here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
>>> -and-
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>
>> Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
>>
>> Aaron Coburn
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>>>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>>>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>>>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>>>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>>>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>>>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>>>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>>>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>>>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>>>
>>> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
>>> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
>>> project is using Sphinx:
>>> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>>>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>>>> System". More information is here:
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>>>
>>>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Andy
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Aaron Peeler
>>>> Program Manager
>>>> Virtual Computing Lab
>>>> NC State University
>>>>
>>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu>.
I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without
affecting the existing website/Confluence. The "getting started"
instructions are here:
http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
I have created a new Jira component called "project website (Apache
CMS)" and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion
commits:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583
I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and
create the infrastructure Jira request.
Thanks,
Andy
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony <MI...@ecu.edu> wrote:
> I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
>
> http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
>
>
> --
> Tony Miller
> Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
> millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
> To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
>
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>>
>> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
>> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
>> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
>> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
>> More info is here:
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
>> -and-
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>
> Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
>
> Aaron Coburn
>
>
>
>>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>>
>> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
>> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>>
>> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
>> project is using Sphinx:
>> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>>> System". More information is here:
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>>
>>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>>
>>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> -Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Aaron Peeler
>>> Program Manager
>>> Virtual Computing Lab
>>> NC State University
>>>
>>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>
RE: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by "Miller, Tony" <MI...@ecu.edu>.
I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
--
Tony Miller
Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>
> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> More info is here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> -and-
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
Aaron Coburn
>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>
> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>
> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
> project is using Sphinx:
> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>
>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>> System". More information is here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>
>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>
>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Peeler
>> Program Manager
>> Virtual Computing Lab
>> NC State University
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
RE: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by "Miller, Tony" <MI...@ecu.edu>.
I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is "static site generator". Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to "heavy" solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools:
http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
--
Tony Miller
Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University
millerf@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acoburn@amherst.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM
To: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: <vc...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really
>> useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement,
>> i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>
> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> More info is here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> -and-
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
Aaron Coburn
>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are
>> considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a
>> system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and
>> whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The
>> downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle
>> software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve
>> static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also
>> recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best
>> for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>
> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>
> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
> project is using Sphinx:
> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the
>>> Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never
>>> worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>
>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an
>>> underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the
>>> ASF is moving away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management
>>> System". More information is here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>
>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to
>>> the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>
>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Peeler
>> Program Manager
>> Virtual Computing Lab
>> NC State University
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu>.
On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
>> am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
>> vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>
> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> More info is here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> -and-
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
Aaron Coburn
>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
>> complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
>> (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
>> very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
>> specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
>> if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
>> I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
>> best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>
> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>
> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
> project is using Sphinx:
> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence
>>> wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked
>>> quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>
>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying
>>> platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving
>>> away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management System". More
>>> information is here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>
>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the
>>> ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>
>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Peeler
>> Program Manager
>> Virtual Computing Lab
>> NC State University
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Posted by Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu>.
On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
>> am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
>> vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>
> Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space.
> If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to
> vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community
> whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static.
> More info is here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> -and-
> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use.
Aaron Coburn
>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
>> complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
>> (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
>> very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
>> specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
>> if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
>> I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
>> best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
>
> I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static
> requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page.
>
> I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other
> project is using Sphinx:
> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF
>> CMS, especially if this the future direction.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth <an...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>> The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could
>>> use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence
>>> wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL).
>>> I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked
>>> quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up.
>>>
>>> I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from
>>> anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying
>>> platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving
>>> away from it in favor of the "ASF Content Management System". More
>>> information is here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>>>
>>> Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the
>>> ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>>>
>>> At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Peeler
>> Program Manager
>> Virtual Computing Lab
>> NC State University
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.