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Posted to user@pivot.apache.org by Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com> on 2010/07/01 23:24:48 UTC
Re: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Hi to all, and thanks to Chris and Greg for comments ...
For sure this feature is not my priority (in respect to my work on
Pivot), I have small time to dedicate to Pivot, and this project could
make me delay my other activities on Pivot.
My/our idea was to make something really useful and not only a Demo
(interesting but it's always a Demo), based on a real-life
requirements, to use also as a test to see in Pivot need some
improvements (following the "Eating your own dog food" rule, not for
other Pivot developers, but surely for me).
Other reasons were that Tomcat is one of most common and known Java
Application Server so any Java Company could see our work, and also
staying all under the Apache Home maybe we could get some other help
in this project.
I agree with Greg, the best here would be to have some Tomcat
developer to help us, in direct way or maybe also on suggestion /
enhancements if required and something has started in this direction.
Then, the other, classic ideas on Pivot: the GUI Builder, etc ...
I have another idea: a GUI Prototyping Utility (like many other
products), but also this is not a strategical one I suppose.
In any case, I/we haven't time limit on this (the subject could be
Tomcat 7, because some features like persistence of JMX settings will
be implemented in that release), so I could start to analyze the
problem and start to write some document (and maybe some code
skeleton), on out skunk (experimental) area under Subversion, and
let's see what happens (or if someone join us in this effort), ok ?
As always, comments and suggestions are welcome ...
Bye,
Sandro
Re: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Posted by Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi to all, and thanks for the comments ...
@apptaro:
I know that there are some JMX consoles, from JConsole and VisualVM inside
JDK, to others ... so the problem in this case if to find something (related
to Tomcat or to Pivot) that could really make the difference here ... let's
see.
@Alejandro:
> I would love to help in this project, but my time is limited by other
> projects
This is great ... and probably your time is limited as mine ... but some
people together can (at least try) to make something useful :-)
> when you have the skeleton/documentation please let me know
For sure, I'll post some announce in both our mailing lists, but knowing my
timings I don't think before the end of the summer.
I'll keep you updated ... thanks to all for the moment.
Bye,
Sandro
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Re: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Posted by Taro App <ap...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sandro,
You might also check out MC4J, which is very similar to what you have
described. It is Java-based Desktop JMX Console which can connect to
not only Tomcat but also other popular servers.
http://mc4j.org/confluence/display/MC4J/Home
apptaro
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com> wrote:
> I'd definitely be willing to help out if we can get some developers from the Tomcat community excited about the idea. But otherwise it would probably be too much of a stretch (for me, anyways).
> G
>
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Sandro Martini wrote:
>
>> Hi to all, and thanks to Chris and Greg for comments ...
>>
>> For sure this feature is not my priority (in respect to my work on
>> Pivot), I have small time to dedicate to Pivot, and this project could
>> make me delay my other activities on Pivot.
>>
>> My/our idea was to make something really useful and not only a Demo
>> (interesting but it's always a Demo), based on a real-life
>> requirements, to use also as a test to see in Pivot need some
>> improvements (following the "Eating your own dog food" rule, not for
>> other Pivot developers, but surely for me).
>> Other reasons were that Tomcat is one of most common and known Java
>> Application Server so any Java Company could see our work, and also
>> staying all under the Apache Home maybe we could get some other help
>> in this project.
>> I agree with Greg, the best here would be to have some Tomcat
>> developer to help us, in direct way or maybe also on suggestion /
>> enhancements if required and something has started in this direction.
>>
>> Then, the other, classic ideas on Pivot: the GUI Builder, etc ...
>> I have another idea: a GUI Prototyping Utility (like many other
>> products), but also this is not a strategical one I suppose.
>>
>>
>> In any case, I/we haven't time limit on this (the subject could be
>> Tomcat 7, because some features like persistence of JMX settings will
>> be implemented in that release), so I could start to analyze the
>> problem and start to write some document (and maybe some code
>> skeleton), on out skunk (experimental) area under Subversion, and
>> let's see what happens (or if someone join us in this effort), ok ?
>>
>>
>> As always, comments and suggestions are welcome ...
>>
>> Bye,
>> Sandro
>
>
Re: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
I'd definitely be willing to help out if we can get some developers from the Tomcat community excited about the idea. But otherwise it would probably be too much of a stretch (for me, anyways).
G
On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Sandro Martini wrote:
> Hi to all, and thanks to Chris and Greg for comments ...
>
> For sure this feature is not my priority (in respect to my work on
> Pivot), I have small time to dedicate to Pivot, and this project could
> make me delay my other activities on Pivot.
>
> My/our idea was to make something really useful and not only a Demo
> (interesting but it's always a Demo), based on a real-life
> requirements, to use also as a test to see in Pivot need some
> improvements (following the "Eating your own dog food" rule, not for
> other Pivot developers, but surely for me).
> Other reasons were that Tomcat is one of most common and known Java
> Application Server so any Java Company could see our work, and also
> staying all under the Apache Home maybe we could get some other help
> in this project.
> I agree with Greg, the best here would be to have some Tomcat
> developer to help us, in direct way or maybe also on suggestion /
> enhancements if required and something has started in this direction.
>
> Then, the other, classic ideas on Pivot: the GUI Builder, etc ...
> I have another idea: a GUI Prototyping Utility (like many other
> products), but also this is not a strategical one I suppose.
>
>
> In any case, I/we haven't time limit on this (the subject could be
> Tomcat 7, because some features like persistence of JMX settings will
> be implemented in that release), so I could start to analyze the
> problem and start to write some document (and maybe some code
> skeleton), on out skunk (experimental) area under Subversion, and
> let's see what happens (or if someone join us in this effort), ok ?
>
>
> As always, comments and suggestions are welcome ...
>
> Bye,
> Sandro
RE: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Posted by Alejandro Vilar <al...@synacom.com.bo>.
Hi Sandro,
I would love to help in this project, but my time is limited by other
projects, when you have the skeleton/documentation please let me know.
Regards,
Alejandro
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandro Martini [mailto:sandro.martini@gmail.com]
Sent: Jueves, 01 de Julio de 2010 05:25 p.m.
To: user@pivot.apache.org
Subject: Re: Pivot Console for Tomcat - forwarded to users List
Hi to all, and thanks to Chris and Greg for comments ...
For sure this feature is not my priority (in respect to my work on
Pivot), I have small time to dedicate to Pivot, and this project could
make me delay my other activities on Pivot.
My/our idea was to make something really useful and not only a Demo
(interesting but it's always a Demo), based on a real-life
requirements, to use also as a test to see in Pivot need some
improvements (following the "Eating your own dog food" rule, not for
other Pivot developers, but surely for me).
Other reasons were that Tomcat is one of most common and known Java
Application Server so any Java Company could see our work, and also
staying all under the Apache Home maybe we could get some other help
in this project.
I agree with Greg, the best here would be to have some Tomcat
developer to help us, in direct way or maybe also on suggestion /
enhancements if required and something has started in this direction.
Then, the other, classic ideas on Pivot: the GUI Builder, etc ...
I have another idea: a GUI Prototyping Utility (like many other
products), but also this is not a strategical one I suppose.
In any case, I/we haven't time limit on this (the subject could be
Tomcat 7, because some features like persistence of JMX settings will
be implemented in that release), so I could start to analyze the
problem and start to write some document (and maybe some code
skeleton), on out skunk (experimental) area under Subversion, and
let's see what happens (or if someone join us in this effort), ok ?
As always, comments and suggestions are welcome ...
Bye,
Sandro