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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca> on 2006/06/23 18:27:36 UTC
[users@httpd] Just relax everyone
This gentleman (?) has been manually removed from the list and
permanently banned from posting in the future.
Luiehui: You have proven yourself to be, at the least, very selfish
and impolite. You are no longer welcome on this list, and I recommend
staying away from all open mailing lists, since you seem unable to
understand basic principles of good conduct.
Thousands of people have managed to subscribe to and unsubscribe from
this list using the instructions given. A few occasionally have
problems (usually because they have not carefully read the
instructions). These people can have their problems easily solved by
mailing users-owner<at>httpd.apache.org (as mentioned in list admin
messages) or by sending a single polite email to the list asking for
help. But you chose to instead selfishly make your small problem a
problem for the thousands of subscribers to this list. If I were you,
I'd be deeply embarrassed.
Joshua.
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RE: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Tony Heal <th...@pace2020.com>.
I read the bottom of the list emails and sent a request to
users-help@httpd.apache.org and here is the response. Notice the following
instructions in particular:
To stop subscription for this address, mail:
<us...@httpd.apache.org>
And
If despite following these instructions, you do not get the
desired results, please contact my owner at
users-owner@httpd.apache.org. Please be patient, my owner is a
lot slower than I am ;-)
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: users-return-@httpd.apache.org [mailto:users-return-@httpd.apache.org]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:52 AM
To: theal@pace2020.com
Subject: ezmlm response
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
users@httpd.apache.org mailing list.
This is a generic help message. The message I received wasn't sent to
any of my command addresses.
--- Administrative commands for the users list ---
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To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
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To get an index with subject and author for messages 123-456 , mail:
<us...@httpd.apache.org>
They are always returned as sets of 100, max 2000 per request,
so you'll actually get 100-499.
To receive all messages with the same subject as message 12345,
send an empty message to:
<us...@httpd.apache.org>
The messages do not really need to be empty, but I will ignore
their content. Only the ADDRESS you send to is important.
You can start a subscription for an alternate address,
for example "john@host.domain", just add a hyphen and your
address (with '=' instead of '@') after the command word:
<us...@httpd.apache.org>
To stop subscription for this address, mail:
<us...@httpd.apache.org>
In both cases, I'll send a confirmation message to that address. When
you receive it, simply reply to it to complete your subscription.
If despite following these instructions, you do not get the
desired results, please contact my owner at
users-owner@httpd.apache.org. Please be patient, my owner is a
lot slower than I am ;-)
Tony Heal
Pace Systems Group, Inc.
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theal@pace2020.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jslive@gmail.com [mailto:jslive@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Slive
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:58 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
On 6/26/06, Michael Guyver <ke...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure whether I can be of any assistance here, as I have tried
> to unsubscribe my hotmail account with the 'kenevel' username and move
> to a gmail/googlemail account instead as the new hotmail interface
> does not allow you to post in plain text.
>
> I tried to unsubscribe from users@httd.apache.org at the following times:
>
> 15/06/2006 at 10:34:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
> 19/06/2006 at 13:45:57 to
> users-unsubscribe-<usernameremoved>=hotmail.com@httpd.apache.org
> 22/06/2006 at 14:59:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
>
> As of right now I'm still getting mail from the httpd-users' mailing
> list to the address I tried to unsubscribe. If you've got any
> questions about what I did, I'd be happy to answer them.
Contact me off-list and tell me EXACTLY what happened after you sent
the unsubscribe request. (Did you get an email requesting
confirmation? Did you check your junk mail folder? Are you
subscribed to the main list or the digest list? What is the exact
email address you tried to unsubscribe?)
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 6/26/06, Michael Guyver <ke...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure whether I can be of any assistance here, as I have tried
> to unsubscribe my hotmail account with the 'kenevel' username and move
> to a gmail/googlemail account instead as the new hotmail interface
> does not allow you to post in plain text.
>
> I tried to unsubscribe from users@httd.apache.org at the following times:
>
> 15/06/2006 at 10:34:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
> 19/06/2006 at 13:45:57 to
> users-unsubscribe-<usernameremoved>=hotmail.com@httpd.apache.org
> 22/06/2006 at 14:59:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
>
> As of right now I'm still getting mail from the httpd-users' mailing
> list to the address I tried to unsubscribe. If you've got any
> questions about what I did, I'd be happy to answer them.
Contact me off-list and tell me EXACTLY what happened after you sent
the unsubscribe request. (Did you get an email requesting
confirmation? Did you check your junk mail folder? Are you
subscribed to the main list or the digest list? What is the exact
email address you tried to unsubscribe?)
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Michael Guyver <ke...@googlemail.com>.
> > I am not sure - if there is a problem with the system we lost a chance
> > to find and fix it. If the problem leads to many non english users and
> > small businesses to avoid using the lists we all lose out.
Hi there,
I'm not sure whether I can be of any assistance here, as I have tried
to unsubscribe my hotmail account with the 'kenevel' username and move
to a gmail/googlemail account instead as the new hotmail interface
does not allow you to post in plain text.
I tried to unsubscribe from users@httd.apache.org at the following times:
15/06/2006 at 10:34:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
19/06/2006 at 13:45:57 to
users-unsubscribe-<usernameremoved>=hotmail.com@httpd.apache.org
22/06/2006 at 14:59:23 to users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
As of right now I'm still getting mail from the httpd-users' mailing
list to the address I tried to unsubscribe. If you've got any
questions about what I did, I'd be happy to answer them.
Regards
Michael
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 6/26/06, Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I am not sure - if there is a problem with the system we lost a chance
> to find and fix it. If the problem leads to many non english users and
> small businesses to avoid using the lists we all lose out.
You are deluding yourself if you think that it was possible to
sensibly debug this problem with Mr. Xu. His actions proved beyond a
doubt that there was no hope of a reasonable dialogue.
On the other hand, people who politely address themselves to me or to
the list almost always get help with their problems. The first line
of help is usually "look at the instructions at the bottom of every
message". But people who report problems with these instructions
almost always get further detailed help.
As far as problems with non-english users, that is highly unlikely.
Apache.org hosts hundreds of mailing lists with well over 50,000 total
subscribers. If there was any systematic issue of this type, I would
have heard about it. There may be other issues that apply to very
small subsets of users, and I would be happy discussing a problem with
anyone who believes they face such an issue. I will not deal with
people who are rude or inconsiderate to others, except by banishing
them from the list.
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> There are all kinds of possible explanations. Most of them involve an
> error on the part of the people trying to unsubscribe; but it is also
> possible there is a problem with the list management software or the
> apache.org configuration. (For example, I know one person had a
> problem because apache.org was bouncing the his unsubscribe request as
> spam. We fixed that.)
I suspect he is not the only one.
> But that is irrelevant to the discussion here.
I am not sure - if there is a problem with the system we lost a chance
to find and fix it. If the problem leads to many non english users and
small businesses to avoid using the lists we all lose out.
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 6/26/06, Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Joshua Slive wrote:
> > This gentleman (?) has been manually removed from the list and
> > permanently banned from posting in the future.
>
> There is a *small* possibility that he and the german sounding person
> with the same complaint were having a problem with non latin-1 chars
> in their email address.
>
> I assume this was investigated and rejected?
There are all kinds of possible explanations. Most of them involve an
error on the part of the people trying to unsubscribe; but it is also
possible there is a problem with the list management software or the
apache.org configuration. (For example, I know one person had a
problem because apache.org was bouncing the his unsubscribe request as
spam. We fixed that.)
But that is irrelevant to the discussion here. Problems are delt with
by calmly and politely requesting help. Mailbombing the list is a
solution for nothing.
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Re: Just relax everyone
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 8/12/06, Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > Hi Jacqui and *,
> > I have found some mailinglist managesrs, which reject E-Mails
> > IF in the "From:" header are non RFC-2047 encoded caracters.
>
> This makes sense - I have had similar problems with a
> email filtering system in perl - the number of messages that
> have incorrectly encoded headers and content is just plain scary.
>
> I also find it regrettable that instead of trying to find the problem
> the list ends up blacklisting people after being told it must be thier
> fault. :-(
Try reading all the emails on the subject before saying silly things
like that about the volunteers that manage this list.
The only people blacklisted are those that mailbombed the list or
threatend to do so.
Anyone who has politely asked for help has gotten it, even when they
chose not to read the clear instructions.
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Re: Just relax everyone
Posted by Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com>.
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hi Jacqui and *,
> I have found some mailinglist managesrs, which reject E-Mails
> IF in the "From:" header are non RFC-2047 encoded caracters.
This makes sense - I have had similar problems with a
email filtering system in perl - the number of messages that
have incorrectly encoded headers and content is just plain scary.
I also find it regrettable that instead of trying to find the problem
the list ends up blacklisting people after being told it must be thier
fault. :-(
Jacqui
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[users@httpd] Re: Just relax everyone
Posted by Michelle Konzack <li...@freenet.de>.
Hi Jacqui and *,
Am 2006-06-26 09:12:49, schrieb Jacqui Caren:
> There is a *small* possibility that he and the german sounding person
> with the same complaint were having a problem with non latin-1 chars
> in their email address.
I have found some mailinglist managesrs, which reject E-Mails
IF in the "From:" header are non RFC-2047 encoded caracters.
Which mean, broken Windows Clients which asum always Winsuck
charsets or webmail client which send UTF-8 witout encoding
messages to quoted-printable or base64.
Greetings
Michelle Konzack
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Tamay Dogan Network
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Re: [users@httpd] Just relax everyone
Posted by Jacqui Caren <ja...@ntlworld.com>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> This gentleman (?) has been manually removed from the list and
> permanently banned from posting in the future.
There is a *small* possibility that he and the german sounding person
with the same complaint were having a problem with non latin-1 chars
in their email address.
I assume this was investigated and rejected?
Jacqui
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