Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de>]

hi,

we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
shall go into production at the end of september this year.

of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
tapestry 5 for the new project.
(posts on the users mailing list like this one
http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
sound promising)

according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
there are several features outstanding - is this description up-to-date?
is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?

what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
it still needed)?

if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be nice
to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is working
and what is not.

thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
cheers,
martin

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>]

I think client persistence was just committed today by Howard.


On 5/16/07, Juan Maya <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I miss right now tacos library and other ajax components. However i think
> they are a lot easier to implement in T5 and according to the road map i
> have seen on the web page the ajax support will be ready soon.
> Also, i would really like to have client side persistence . Right now
> Session and Flash are available. (although flash is not documented on the
> website).
>
>
> On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Juan,
> >
> > thanx a lot for your feedback,
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:48 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> > > Hi martin,
> > > I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The
> > increased
> > > productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
> > sounds very well!
> >
> > > However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and scalability.
> > I've read that T5 shall be faster than T4, but concerning scalability it
> > would be good to have some info...
> >
> > > My application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's not
> > enough to
> > > say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production
> > environment.
> > Ok, I totally understand :)
> > Are you missing any functionality that you perhaps know from T4 (in case
> > you used T4 before), or some other features?
> >
> > Thanx && cheers,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <martin.grotzke@javakaffee.de > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> > > > T5 for a new project now"...
> > > >
> > > > please correct me if i'm wrong :)
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > > > > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > > > > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> > > > > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > > > > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > > > >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > > > > sound promising)
> > > > >
> > > > > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > > > > there are several features outstanding - is this description
> > up-to-date?
> > > > > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available
> in
> > > > > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> > > > >
> > > > > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5
> (is
> >
> > > > > it still needed)?
> > > > >
> > > > > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be
> > nice
> > > > > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is
> > working
> > > > > and what is not.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Grotzke
> > > > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> > > >
> > > >
> > --
> > Martin Grotzke
> > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> >
> >
>

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

["Eko S.W." <sw...@gmail.com>]

I Just started T5. And ... great!
>From my --newbie-- opinion : it looks like I'm not coding to HTTP
application at all
Seems like another GUI ...
CMIIW

* for the most part, I like one Java class per HTML page idea. Feels like
HTML is just complementary to The View (Java Class)
-- 
Best wishes,
Eko SW
http://swdev.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Juan Maya <ma...@gmail.com>]

I have found the documentation really useful and helpful however i think
previous experience with tapestry is almost required to understand it. At
least you need to understand the basic concepts so could do an analogy
between both of them. Also it's a bit difficult to know what's new between
releases and sometimes the changes are not documented on the website :s

The learning curve i think is much less than in the other versions. At least
it was for me and my colleagues.
The mailing list as always is helpful and willing to help u. I think that's
one of the strongest point of Tapestry.

On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 10:25 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> > I miss right now tacos library and other ajax components. However i
> think
> > they are a lot easier to implement in T5
> yes, on the one hand it's really good to have existing ajax components,
> OTOH, if component creation is really simple (with adding stuff to
> the header), it's also a good option - one can use the preferred ajax
> library then (i heard jquery shall be really cool)...
>
> > and according to the road map i
> > have seen on the web page the ajax support will be ready soon.
> > Also, i would really like to have client side persistence . Right now
> > Session and Flash are available. (although flash is not documented on
> the
> > website).
> ok. my concern in respect to client side persistence would be the larger
> amount of data that would go through the web, so probably this is not
> very important for us.
>
> what's the status with documentation about T5, feedback on the mailing
> list, and the learning curve?
>
> thanx a lot for your feedback,
> cheers,
> martin
>
>
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Juan,
> > >
> > > thanx a lot for your feedback,
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:48 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> > > > Hi martin,
> > > > I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The
> > > increased
> > > > productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
> > > sounds very well!
> > >
> > > > However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and
> scalability.
> > > I've read that T5 shall be faster than T4, but concerning scalability
> it
> > > would be good to have some info...
> > >
> > > > My application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's
> not
> > > enough to
> > > > say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production
> > > environment.
> > > Ok, I totally understand :)
> > > Are you missing any functionality that you perhaps know from T4 (in
> case
> > > you used T4 before), or some other features?
> > >
> > > Thanx && cheers,
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <martin.grotzke@javakaffee.de > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> > > > > T5 for a new project now"...
> > > > >
> > > > > please correct me if i'm wrong :)
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > > > > > hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > > > > > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > > > > > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to
> use
> > > > > > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > > > > > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > > > > >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > > > > > sound promising)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > > > > > there are several features outstanding - is this description
> > > up-to-date?
> > > > > > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available
> in
> > > > > > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in
> t5?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5
> (is
> > >
> > > > > > it still needed)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would
> be
> > > nice
> > > > > > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is
> > > working
> > > > > > and what is not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > > martin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin Grotzke
> > > > > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > --
> > > Martin Grotzke
> > > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> > >
> > >
> --
> Martin Grotzke
> http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
>
>

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Yann Ramin <at...@stackworks.net>]

I'm working on two projects using T5 now. In my opinion its very usable, 
just expect the occasional bug and rough edge at this point.

> yes, on the one hand it's really good to have existing ajax components,
> OTOH, if component creation is really simple (with adding stuff to
> the header), it's also a good option - one can use the preferred ajax
> library then (i heard jquery shall be really cool)...
> 

There is some promising work on custom AJAX stuff, I can point out some 
conversations on this list detailing how to do simple JSON requests in a 
page. Could also be used for XML.

> 
> what's the status with documentation about T5, feedback on the mailing
> list, and the learning curve?

Documentation is decent, though sometimes hard to wrap your head around 
in my opinion. Learning curve really depends on how much you've used 
other setups like Struts and how quick you can purge your mind relearn 
:) Mailing list is a good help.

> 
> thanx a lot for your feedback,
> cheers,
> martin

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Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de>]

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 10:25 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> I miss right now tacos library and other ajax components. However i think
> they are a lot easier to implement in T5 
yes, on the one hand it's really good to have existing ajax components,
OTOH, if component creation is really simple (with adding stuff to
the header), it's also a good option - one can use the preferred ajax
library then (i heard jquery shall be really cool)...

> and according to the road map i
> have seen on the web page the ajax support will be ready soon.
> Also, i would really like to have client side persistence . Right now
> Session and Flash are available. (although flash is not documented on the
> website).
ok. my concern in respect to client side persistence would be the larger
amount of data that would go through the web, so probably this is not
very important for us.

what's the status with documentation about T5, feedback on the mailing
list, and the learning curve?

thanx a lot for your feedback,
cheers,
martin


> 
> 
> On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Juan,
> >
> > thanx a lot for your feedback,
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:48 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> > > Hi martin,
> > > I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The
> > increased
> > > productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
> > sounds very well!
> >
> > > However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and scalability.
> > I've read that T5 shall be faster than T4, but concerning scalability it
> > would be good to have some info...
> >
> > > My application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's not
> > enough to
> > > say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production
> > environment.
> > Ok, I totally understand :)
> > Are you missing any functionality that you perhaps know from T4 (in case
> > you used T4 before), or some other features?
> >
> > Thanx && cheers,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <martin.grotzke@javakaffee.de > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> > > > T5 for a new project now"...
> > > >
> > > > please correct me if i'm wrong :)
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > > > > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > > > > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> > > > > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > > > > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > > > > sound promising)
> > > > >
> > > > > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > > > > there are several features outstanding - is this description
> > up-to-date?
> > > > > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
> > > > > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> > > > >
> > > > > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
> >
> > > > > it still needed)?
> > > > >
> > > > > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be
> > nice
> > > > > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is
> > working
> > > > > and what is not.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Grotzke
> > > > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> > > >
> > > >
> > --
> > Martin Grotzke
> > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> >
> >
-- 
Martin Grotzke
http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Juan Maya <ma...@gmail.com>]

I miss right now tacos library and other ajax components. However i think
they are a lot easier to implement in T5 and according to the road map i
have seen on the web page the ajax support will be ready soon.
Also, i would really like to have client side persistence . Right now
Session and Flash are available. (although flash is not documented on the
website).


On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Juan,
>
> thanx a lot for your feedback,
>
> On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:48 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> > Hi martin,
> > I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The
> increased
> > productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
> sounds very well!
>
> > However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and scalability.
> I've read that T5 shall be faster than T4, but concerning scalability it
> would be good to have some info...
>
> > My application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's not
> enough to
> > say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production
> environment.
> Ok, I totally understand :)
> Are you missing any functionality that you perhaps know from T4 (in case
> you used T4 before), or some other features?
>
> Thanx && cheers,
> Martin
>
>
> >
> > On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <martin.grotzke@javakaffee.de > wrote:
> > >
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> > > T5 for a new project now"...
> > >
> > > please correct me if i'm wrong :)
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > martin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > > > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> > > >
> > > > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > > > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> > > > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > > > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > > > sound promising)
> > > >
> > > > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > > > there are several features outstanding - is this description
> up-to-date?
> > > > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
> > > > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> > > >
> > > > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
>
> > > > it still needed)?
> > > >
> > > > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be
> nice
> > > > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is
> working
> > > > and what is not.
> > > >
> > > > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > > > cheers,
> > > > martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Martin Grotzke
> > > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> > >
> > >
> --
> Martin Grotzke
> http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
>
>

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de>]

Hi Juan,

thanx a lot for your feedback,

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:48 -0500, Juan Maya wrote:
> Hi martin,
> I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The increased
> productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
sounds very well!

> However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and scalability.
I've read that T5 shall be faster than T4, but concerning scalability it
would be good to have some info...

> My application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's not enough to
> say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production environment.
Ok, I totally understand :)
Are you missing any functionality that you perhaps know from T4 (in case
you used T4 before), or some other features?

Thanx && cheers,
Martin


> 
> On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> > T5 for a new project now"...
> >
> > please correct me if i'm wrong :)
> >
> > cheers,
> > martin
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> > >
> > > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> > > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > > sound promising)
> > >
> > > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > > there are several features outstanding - is this description up-to-date?
> > > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
> > > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> > >
> > > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
> > > it still needed)?
> > >
> > > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be nice
> > > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is working
> > > and what is not.
> > >
> > > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > > cheers,
> > > martin
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > Martin Grotzke
> > http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
> >
> >
-- 
Martin Grotzke
http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Juan Maya <ma...@gmail.com>]

Hi martin,
I have been using T5 since a few weeks and it has been great! The increased
productivity is really amazing and i haven't faced major bugs.
However i couldn't tell u anything about performance and scalability. My
application is still pretty basic and runs smoothly...but it's not enough to
say that i will recommend to to use tapestry 5 in a production environment.

On 5/16/07, Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de> wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
> T5 for a new project now"...
>
> please correct me if i'm wrong :)
>
> cheers,
> martin
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> > shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> >
> > of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> > tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> > tapestry 5 for the new project.
> > (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> > sound promising)
> >
> > according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> > there are several features outstanding - is this description up-to-date?
> > is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
> > tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> >
> > what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
> > it still needed)?
> >
> > if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be nice
> > to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is working
> > and what is not.
> >
> > thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> > cheers,
> > martin
> >
> >
> --
> Martin Grotzke
> http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/
>
>

Re: Tapestry5 ready for use in a new project?

[Martin Grotzke <ma...@javakaffee.de>]

hello,

the missing feedback sounds like "hmm, no, better don't use
T5 for a new project now"...

please correct me if i'm wrong :)

cheers,
martin


On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 00:00 +0200, Martin Grotzke wrote:
> hi,
> 
> we're considering to use tapestry for a new project that
> shall go into production at the end of september this year.
> 
> of course the best is to use a tested and stable framework (like
> tapestry 4.1), although i want to ask if it would be worth to use
> tapestry 5 for the new project.
> (posts on the users mailing list like this one
> http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tapestry.apache.org/msg11384.html
> sound promising)
> 
> according to the roadmap (http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/)
> there are several features outstanding - is this description up-to-date?
> is there functionality in tapestry 4.1 that is not yet available in
> tapestry 5, and is there a summary of what is still missing in t5?
> 
> what is the plan with component libs like tacos in respect to t5 (is
> it still needed)?
> 
> if there's anybody out there already using tapestry 5 it would be nice
> to get some feedback on the current status of t5, and what is working
> and what is not.
> 
> thanx a lot in advance for your advice,
> cheers,
> martin
> 
> 
-- 
Martin Grotzke
http://www.javakaffee.de/blog/