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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> on 2012/08/24 14:31:00 UTC
[Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Torokhov Sergey <to...@mail.ru> wrote:
> On Friday 24 of August 2012 17:19:33 Phillip Rhodes wrote:
>> Somebody slap my wrist or correct me if this is redundant, or in the
>> wrong place, but I didn't see anything
>> on the wiki related to AOO4 brainstorming, so I created this:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
>>
>> My idea is that we can breakout individual areas for specific
>> proposals for further work. As an example:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Social+Integration
>>
>> If this needs to be somewhere else, let me know, or feel free to move
>> it or whatever.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>
> Sorry if I wtite in not quite suitable topic.
>
> Is it planing to release AOO-3.5 or it will version 4.0 of next release?
> What about some small old feature requests (especialy that conserning
> localization) for realisation of AOO-3.5 if it will take place?
Based on prior discussions I think the idea is:
1. If we find very serious bugs in 3.4.1, such as a security
vulnerability, we would release a 3.4.2 build. This could also include
new translations that are ready.
2. A release that adds new features but not a major UI change might be
called 3.5.
3. A major release with significant UI changes might be a 4.0.
>From what I can see there had been concurrent discussion and planning
on each of these. But note that we might not do all of these. We might
not need a 3.5.2 if we don't find critical bugs. And we might go
directly to 4.0. These are all topics open for discussion.
Rob
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Torokhov Sergey <to...@mail.ru>.
On Friday 24 of August 2012 17:19:33 Phillip Rhodes wrote:
> Somebody slap my wrist or correct me if this is redundant, or in the
> wrong place, but I didn't see anything
> on the wiki related to AOO4 brainstorming, so I created this:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
>
> My idea is that we can breakout individual areas for specific
> proposals for further work. As an example:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Social+Integration
>
> If this needs to be somewhere else, let me know, or feel free to move
> it or whatever.
>
>
> Phil
Sorry if I wtite in not quite suitable topic.
Is it planing to release AOO-3.5 or it will version 4.0 of next release?
What about some small old feature requests (especialy that conserning
localization) for realisation of AOO-3.5 if it will take place?
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
KG01 see comments inline.
On Aug 24, 2012, at 11:39 PM, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-08-24 at 15:58 +0100, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:49:02 -0700
>> Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
>>>>> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
>>>>>
KG01 - Yes, tracing discussion and voting results to a list if
prioritized reqs is import. Furthermore, we need to then trace the
reqs to design explorations (including scenarios and storyboards with
mockups).
>>>>> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
>>>>>
>>>>
KG01 - We could bring our initial list of candidates to the upcoming
conference for further validation and prioritization.
>>>> We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have
>>>> submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself
>>>> helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas
>>>> and voting, which I hope we all are.
>>>
>>> Not all of us have the time.
>>>>
>>>> I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas.
>>>> Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog
>>>> post, and collect also commentary from project members related to
>>>> these top 10 ideas.
>>>
>>> I think that coming back to ooo-dev with "Top" ideas is appropriate.
>>
>> One of my concerns was that the multiple requests for similar features/support might cause these to drop off the radar as their voting would be too fragmented. Hence my suggestion that we consider amalgamation of closely related suggestions; the coding for one specific suggestion might easily expand to cover the coding necessary for a particular range. Hence the need for some form of triage to make best use of coding resources.
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes - I would agree, there will need to be some form of triage (call it
> moderation if you prefer).
>
> //drew
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as
>>>> additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking
>>>> into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask
>>>> users to rate them.
>>>
>>> FYI - The ASF Board has created a new TLP called Apache Steve which will expose the Voting mechanism used by the ASF membership.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is
>>>> that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had
>>>> more time to be voted on.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Phillip Rhodes <mo...@gmail.com>.
Somebody slap my wrist or correct me if this is redundant, or in the
wrong place, but I didn't see anything
on the wiki related to AOO4 brainstorming, so I created this:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
My idea is that we can breakout individual areas for specific
proposals for further work. As an example:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Social+Integration
If this needs to be somewhere else, let me know, or feel free to move
it or whatever.
Phil
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Fri, 2012-08-24 at 15:58 +0100, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:49:02 -0700
> Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
> > >>
> > >> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
> > >>
> > >> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
> > >>
> > >
> > > We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have
> > > submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes.
> > >
> > > IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself
> > > helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas
> > > and voting, which I hope we all are.
> >
> > Not all of us have the time.
> > >
> > > I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas.
> > > Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog
> > > post, and collect also commentary from project members related to
> > > these top 10 ideas.
> >
> > I think that coming back to ooo-dev with "Top" ideas is appropriate.
>
> One of my concerns was that the multiple requests for similar features/support might cause these to drop off the radar as their voting would be too fragmented. Hence my suggestion that we consider amalgamation of closely related suggestions; the coding for one specific suggestion might easily expand to cover the coding necessary for a particular range. Hence the need for some form of triage to make best use of coding resources.
Hi,
Yes - I would agree, there will need to be some form of triage (call it
moderation if you prefer).
//drew
>
> >
> > >
> > > Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as
> > > additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking
> > > into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask
> > > users to rate them.
> >
> > FYI - The ASF Board has created a new TLP called Apache Steve which will expose the Voting mechanism used by the ASF membership.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is
> > > that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had
> > > more time to be voted on.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > >> --
> > >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:49:02 -0700
Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>
> >> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
> >>
> >> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
> >>
> >> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
> >>
> >
> > We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have
> > submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes.
> >
> > IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself
> > helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas
> > and voting, which I hope we all are.
>
> Not all of us have the time.
> >
> > I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas.
> > Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog
> > post, and collect also commentary from project members related to
> > these top 10 ideas.
>
> I think that coming back to ooo-dev with "Top" ideas is appropriate.
One of my concerns was that the multiple requests for similar features/support might cause these to drop off the radar as their voting would be too fragmented. Hence my suggestion that we consider amalgamation of closely related suggestions; the coding for one specific suggestion might easily expand to cover the coding necessary for a particular range. Hence the need for some form of triage to make best use of coding resources.
>
> >
> > Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as
> > additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking
> > into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask
> > users to rate them.
>
> FYI - The ASF Board has created a new TLP called Apache Steve which will expose the Voting mechanism used by the ASF membership.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is
> > that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had
> > more time to be voted on.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
>
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>
>> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
>>
>> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
>>
>> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
>>
>
> We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have
> submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes.
>
> IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself
> helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas
> and voting, which I hope we all are.
Not all of us have the time.
>
> I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas.
> Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog
> post, and collect also commentary from project members related to
> these top 10 ideas.
I think that coming back to ooo-dev with "Top" ideas is appropriate.
>
> Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as
> additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking
> into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask
> users to rate them.
FYI - The ASF Board has created a new TLP called Apache Steve which will expose the Voting mechanism used by the ASF membership.
Regards,
Dave
>
> That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is
> that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had
> more time to be voted on.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials.
>
> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function?
>
> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting)
>
We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have
submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes.
IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself
helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas
and voting, which I hope we all are.
I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas.
Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog
post, and collect also commentary from project members related to
these top 10 ideas.
Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as
additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking
into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask
users to rate them.
That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is
that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had
more time to be voted on.
Regards,
-Rob
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>