Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Hi Igniters,

After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
using the list.

I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list. Please
share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or we
should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:

> Please start a vote according to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
>
> I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from the
> list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
>
> ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
>> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>> >
>> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove messages,
>> it
>> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional list,
>> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
>> >
>> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
>> creation
>> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
>> >
>> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>> >
>> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
>> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course.
>> > >
>> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
>> > >
>> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <dmekhanikov@gmail.com
>> >:
>> > >
>> > >> Dmitriy,
>> > >>
>> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA,
>> create
>> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
>> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
>> filters
>> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
>> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often you
>> want
>> > >> to receive these emails.
>> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering emails
>> from
>> > >> a
>> > >> bot.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to track
>> new
>> > >> tickets,
>> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we
>> need
>> > >> to
>> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
>> > >>
>> > >> Denis
>> > >>
>> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types
>> on
>> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
>> > >> > TC bot +
>> > >> > Jira -
>> > >> > GitHub -
>> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
>> importance
>> > >> is
>> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is
>> not
>> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I
>> can
>> > >> only
>> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or she
>> may
>> > >> > think
>> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of contributors
>> who
>> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch
>> it
>> > >> off.
>> > >> > We
>> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
>> human-human
>> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans (especially,
>> > >> PMCs),
>> > >> > so
>> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency
>> in
>> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
>> step. Only
>> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
>> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the
>> only
>> > >> > goal.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> dpavlov@apache.org>:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify
>> emails
>> > >> to
>> > >> > be
>> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other
>> > >> classes: a
>> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by JIRA
>> issue
>> > >> > > > created
>> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
>> review,
>> > >> > etc, you
>> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to
>> > >> > duplicate.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
>> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@ .-
>> PR
>> > >> > creation
>> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
>> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will
>> see
>> > >> > > > contributors
>> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
>> discuss
>> > >> Open
>> > >> > ->
>> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
>> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
>> Hopefully, it
>> > >> > will not
>> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
>> count to
>> > >> be
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here
>> at
>> > >> all,
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > > > can
>> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
>> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Sergi
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
>> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
>> interesting.
>> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
>> > >> > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
>> > >> community
>> > >> > > > > > developers
>> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to this
>> > >> > discussion.
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
>> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As
>> for
>> > >> > JIRA, not
>> > >> > > > > > sure
>> > >> > > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up all
>> the
>> > >> > filters
>> > >> > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > spread
>> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders. Otherwise,
>> some
>> > >> of
>> > >> > us
>> > >> > > > > might
>> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
>> > >> notifications
>> > >> > when
>> > >> > > > > > their
>> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
>> > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > --
>> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov <
>> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
>> member"
>> > >> as a
>> > >> > > > guide
>> > >> > > > > > for
>> > >> > > > > > > us.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > We
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some point
>> in
>> > >> time
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > > > > were
>> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
>> nothing
>> > >> to
>> > >> > do
>> > >> > > > > with
>> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to? Incubator
>> > >> member
>> > >> > are
>> > >> > > > asf
>> > >> > > > > > > members
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the
>> list
>> > >> > started
>> > >> > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > Jira
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince
>> me its
>> > >> > is not
>> > >> > > > > > > useful to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
>> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > >> > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new tickets
>> are
>> > >> not
>> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
>> duplicate
>> > >> to
>> > >> > > > jira,
>> > >> > > > > > but
>> > >> > > > > > > jira
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward all
>> > >> > comments and
>> > >> > > > > all
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member will
>> > >> confirm
>> > >> > it
>> > >> > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on
>> the
>> > >> list
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > > > can
>> > >> > > > > > > continue
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
>> veterans
>> > >> but
>> > >> > for
>> > >> > > > all
>> > >> > > > > > > > > community
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the
>> list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn <
>> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA tickets
>> are
>> > >> very
>> > >> > > > > useful.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
>> automated
>> > >> > emails.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated emails
>> > >> > completely,
>> > >> > > > > but
>> > >> > > > > > > dev
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir
>> Ozerov
>> > >> <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
>> generated
>> > >> > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
>> > >> obviously
>> > >> > have
>> > >> > > > > too
>> > >> > > > > > > much
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad.
>> But
>> > >> > whether
>> > >> > > > we
>> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is not
>> > >> > important at
>> > >> > > > > > all,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
>> channel.
>> > >> And
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > > > far
>> > >> > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns of
>> our
>> > >> > mentors
>> > >> > > > > > during
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little real
>> > >> > > > > communications.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we
>> are.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
>> how PMCs
>> > >> > treat
>> > >> > > > > all
>> > >> > > > > > > these
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that
>> > >> problem,
>> > >> > one
>> > >> > > > > PMC
>> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I,
>> > >> another
>> > >> > PMC,
>> > >> > > > > > > answered -
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally, third
>> PMC,
>> > >> who
>> > >> > > > also
>> > >> > > > > > > filters
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper filter
>> in
>> > >> > GMail.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
>> many
>> > >> PMC,
>> > >> > who
>> > >> > > > are
>> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow
>> a lot
>> > >> of
>> > >> > > > > > > activities,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > find
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
>> inboxes in
>> > >> > order
>> > >> > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > ...
>> > >> > > > > > > well
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite
>> > >> veterans
>> > >> > do
>> > >> > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > find
>> > >> > > > > > > > > these
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
>> else can
>> > >> > > > benefit
>> > >> > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
>> > >> Mekhanikov
>> > >> > <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
>> filter.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do
>> it.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
>> write to
>> > >> dev
>> > >> > > > list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to
>> dev
>> > >> list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write to
>> dev
>> > >> > list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
>> replace
>> > >> any
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > > > > these
>> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
>> message
>> > >> from
>> > >> > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > bot.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
>> tickets
>> > >> > should
>> > >> > > > be
>> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages
>> to
>> > >> > everyone.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy
>> > >> Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
>> filter.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
>> done by
>> > >> > > > > > contributors
>> > >> > > > > > > in
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are
>> made
>> > >> off
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > > > list
>> > >> > > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > just
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
>> really
>> > >> signs
>> > >> > > > poor
>> > >> > > > > > > > > community
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
>> with
>> > >> JIRA
>> > >> > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > it is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
>> development. If
>> > >> we
>> > >> > > > don't
>> > >> > > > > > > have it,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis
>> > >> > Mekhanikov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly and
>> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
>> development
>> > >> > process.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care
>> about
>> > >> it.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
>> open for
>> > >> > > > everyone,
>> > >> > > > > > so
>> > >> > > > > > > no
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
>> mailing
>> > >> > list for
>> > >> > > > > > bots.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to
>> search
>> > >> > > > through,
>> > >> > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev
>> list,
>> > >> then
>> > >> > > > only
>> > >> > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
>> filters
>> > >> > will see
>> > >> > > > > it.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because it
>> will
>> > >> get
>> > >> > > > lost
>> > >> > > > > > > among
>> > >> > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in receiving
>> the
>> > >> JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even
>> > >> > ignite-jira)
>> > >> > > > > > > mailing
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
>> there. It
>> > >> > would
>> > >> > > > > > > simplify
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
>> > >> > corresponding
>> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
>> out all
>> > >> > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
>> that bots
>> > >> > may
>> > >> > > > > > > generate.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only
>> grows
>> > >> > with
>> > >> > > > > time,
>> > >> > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
>> messages
>> > >> > will
>> > >> > > > > spill
>> > >> > > > > > > into
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
>> Dmitriy
>> > >> > Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision is
>> the
>> > >> > openness
>> > >> > > > > of
>> > >> > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay
>> > >> attention
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > > > run
>> > >> > > > > > > their
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
>> features, and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the way
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >>
>> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from
>> the
>> > >> list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an only
>> way
>> > >> to
>> > >> > keep
>> > >> > > > > > Ignite
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
>> list.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all
>> > >> > contributors
>> > >> > > > > > > announce
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed.
>> Now it
>> > >> > can't.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
>> removing
>> > >> > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
>> Denis
>> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
>> > >> > > > > <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving automatically
>> > >> > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
>> important
>> > >> > ones).
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it here:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
>> Nabble
>> > >> > portal an
>> > >> > > > > > > absolute
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for
>> old
>> > >> > > > discussions,
>> > >> > > > > > > because
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
>> messages pop
>> > >> in
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > > > > search
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure
>> email
>> > >> > filters
>> > >> > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
>> human-hours
>> > >> has
>> > >> > been
>> > >> > > > > > > spent on
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
>> others,
>> > >> and
>> > >> > make
>> > >> > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20,
>> > >> Dmitriy
>> > >> > > > Pavlov
>> > >> > > > > <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal
>> vote
>> > >> on
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > > > > > > change,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a separate
>> list
>> > >> for
>> > >> > > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:08,
>> > >> > Vladimir
>> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the
>> > >> filter"
>> > >> > is
>> > >> > > > not
>> > >> > > > > a
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
>> technically.
>> > >> E.g.
>> > >> > I use
>> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
>> cannot
>> > >> > extract
>> > >> > > > > > > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities.
>> But the
>> > >> > more
>> > >> > > > > > > important
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs
>> to
>> > >> went
>> > >> > > > through
>> > >> > > > > > > that
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
>> Looks
>> > >> like
>> > >> > > > > everyone
>> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
>> this is
>> > >> all
>> > >> > > > about
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist, this
>> is
>> > >> > likely to
>> > >> > > > > be
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
>> creates
>> > >> a
>> > >> > > > ticket,
>> > >> > > > > > > most
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
>> discussed
>> > >> > issue, or
>> > >> > > > > so.
>> > >> > > > > > In
>> > >> > > > > > > > > other
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
>> interested
>> > >> in
>> > >> > > > manual
>> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in "Ticket
>> > >> created"
>> > >> > > > > messages.
>> > >> > > > > > > Not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
>> Let's
>> > >> > continue
>> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
>> should be
>> > >> > done to
>> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
>> 6:49 PM
>> > >> > Dmitriy
>> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
>> digest, is
>> > >> > probably
>> > >> > > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to digest.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
>> 18:28,
>> > >> Petr
>> > >> > > > > Ivanov
>> > >> > > > > > <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
>> notifications
>> > >> > united in
>> > >> > > > > > some
>> > >> > > > > > > kind
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
>> special
>> > >> filter
>> > >> > > > (new
>> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
>> scheme?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
>> 18:15,
>> > >> > Dmitriy
>> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention I
>> > >> disagree
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > > > > remove
>> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
>> > >> understand
>> > >> > what
>> > >> > > > > > other
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You always
>> can
>> > >> > comment
>> > >> > > > if
>> > >> > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > > > > > not
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue, and
>> you
>> > >> may
>> > >> > > > > suggest
>> > >> > > > > > > help.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification is
>> more or
>> > >> > less
>> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR),
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
>> Git's
>> > >> > messages
>> > >> > > > to
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> notifications@ignite.apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
>> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
>> > >> > > > б>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should keep
>> JIRA
>> > >> and
>> > >> > test
>> > >> > > > > > > failures.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
>> > >> 17:49,
>> > >> > > > Alexey
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter for
>> e-mail
>> > >> > from
>> > >> > > > JIRA
>> > >> > > > > > > (very
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
>> visiting
>> > >> > JIRA).
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
>> deleting
>> > >> tons
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > > > > > e-mails
>> > >> > > > > > > from
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know what
>> for we
>> > >> > need
>> > >> > > > > them?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try to
>> move
>> > >> > GitBox &
>> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > --
>> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
>> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Best regards,
>> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Ivan Pavlukhin
>>
>>

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Denis Mekhanikov <dm...@gmail.com>]

+1

I think, a separate list for JIRA notification is needed,
as they are more important, than other ones.
notifications@ignite.apache.org may still aggregate all automatically
generated
messages from all sources.

So, I'm for stopping sending JIRA messages to the dev list, and sending them
to notifications and issues lists instead.

Denis

чт, 10 янв. 2019 г. в 18:14, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:

> +1 for moving JIRA notifications out of dev-list. No strict opinion
> which list should be a destination for them, I am fine with both
> options.
>
> By the way Community Resources page [1] refers to 2 another lists
> issues@ignite.apache.org and commits@ignite.apache.org (but
> notifications@ignite.apache.org is not listed there). Does anyone know
> why these lists are needed? Does anyone use any of them?
>
> [1] https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html
>
> чт, 10 янв. 2019 г. в 17:57, Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>:
> >
> > +1 for  jira@ignite.apache.org
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:55 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters,
> > >
> > > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very
> subjective)
> > > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> > > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> > > using the list.
> > >
> > > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
> Please
> > > share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org
> or we
> > > should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > Please start a vote according to
> > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> > > >
> > > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications
> from
> > > the
> > > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if
> someone
> > > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> > > >
> > > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> > > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> > > messages,
> > > >> it
> > > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> > > list,
> > > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> > > >> creation
> > > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org
> >:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> > > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of
> course.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> >:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to
> JIRA,
> > > >> create
> > > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> > > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration
> of
> > > >> filters
> > > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> > > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how
> often
> > > you
> > > >> want
> > > >> > >> to receive these emails.
> > > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> > > emails
> > > >> from
> > > >> > >> a
> > > >> > >> bot.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> > > track
> > > >> new
> > > >> > >> tickets,
> > > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see,
> why we
> > > >> need
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Denis
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <
> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> > Hi,
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned
> types
> > > >> on
> > > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> > > >> > >> > TC bot +
> > > >> > >> > Jira -
> > > >> > >> > GitHub -
> > > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> > > >> importance
> > > >> > >> is
> > > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails
> it is
> > > >> not
> > > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you.
> So I
> > > >> can
> > > >> > >> only
> > > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need
> action.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he
> or
> > > she
> > > >> may
> > > >> > >> > think
> > > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> > > contributors
> > > >> who
> > > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to
> switch
> > > >> it
> > > >> > >> off.
> > > >> > >> > We
> > > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> > > >> human-human
> > > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> > > (especially,
> > > >> > >> PMCs),
> > > >> > >> > so
> > > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive
> tendency
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> > > >> step. Only
> > > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This
> is the
> > > >> only
> > > >> > >> > goal.
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not
> classify
> > > >> emails
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to
> other
> > > >> > >> classes: a
> > > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> > > JIRA
> > > >> issue
> > > >> > >> > > > created
> > > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with
> comments,
> > > >> review,
> > > >> > >> > etc, you
> > > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also
> point to
> > > >> > >> > duplicate.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> > > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to
> notifications@
> > > .-
> > > >> PR
> > > >> > >> > creation
> > > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> > > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we
> will
> > > >> see
> > > >> > >> > > > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> > > >> discuss
> > > >> > >> Open
> > > >> > >> > ->
> > > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> > > >> Hopefully, it
> > > >> > >> > will not
> > > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric -
> message
> > > >> count to
> > > >> > >> be
> > > >> > >> > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write
> here
> > > >> at
> > > >> > >> all,
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from
> redirection?
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> > > >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated
> stuff.
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> > > >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> > > >> interesting.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid
> bothering
> > > >> > >> community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > developers
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing
> to
> > > this
> > > >> > >> > discussion.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> > > >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate
> list. As
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> > JIRA, not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > sure
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set
> up
> > > all
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> > > Otherwise,
> > > >> some
> > > >> > >> of
> > > >> > >> > us
> > > >> > >> > > > > might
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> > > >> > >> notifications
> > > >> > >> > when
> > > >> > >> > > > > > their
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> > > >> member"
> > > >> > >> as a
> > > >> > >> > > > guide
> > > >> > >> > > > > > for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> > > point
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> time
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > were
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages
> has
> > > >> nothing
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > do
> > > >> > >> > > > > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to
> me.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> > > Incubator
> > > >> > >> member
> > > >> > >> > are
> > > >> > >> > > > asf
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > members
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions
> at the
> > > >> list
> > > >> > >> > started
> > > >> > >> > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not
> convince
> > > >> me its
> > > >> > >> > is not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> > > tickets
> > > >> are
> > > >> > >> not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> > > >> duplicate
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > > > jira,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > but
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to
> forward
> > > all
> > > >> > >> > comments and
> > > >> > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> > > will
> > > >> > >> confirm
> > > >> > >> > it
> > > >> > >> > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new
> issues on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> list
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> > > >> veterans
> > > >> > >> but
> > > >> > >> > for
> > > >> > >> > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to
> the
> > > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel
> Tupitsyn
> > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> > > tickets
> > > >> are
> > > >> > >> very
> > > >> > >> > > > > useful.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> > > >> automated
> > > >> > >> > emails.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> > > emails
> > > >> > >> > completely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > but
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM
> Vladimir
> > > >> Ozerov
> > > >> > >> <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons
> of
> > > >> generated
> > > >> > >> > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently
> we
> > > >> > >> obviously
> > > >> > >> > have
> > > >> > >> > > > > too
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > much
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is
> bad.
> > > >> But
> > > >> > >> > whether
> > > >> > >> > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place
> is
> > > not
> > > >> > >> > important at
> > > >> > >> > > > > > all,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> > > >> channel.
> > > >> > >> And
> > > >> > >> > as
> > > >> > >> > > > far
> > > >> > >> > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious
> concerns
> > > of
> > > >> our
> > > >> > >> > mentors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > during
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too
> little
> > > real
> > > >> > >> > > > > communications.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand
> where we
> > > >> are.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing
> is
> > > >> how PMCs
> > > >> > >> > treat
> > > >> > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with
> that
> > > >> > >> problem,
> > > >> > >> > one
> > > >> > >> > > > > PMC
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do".
> Then I,
> > > >> > >> another
> > > >> > >> > PMC,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> > > third
> > > >> PMC,
> > > >> > >> who
> > > >> > >> > > > also
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> > > filter
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> > GMail.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that
> so
> > > >> many
> > > >> > >> PMC,
> > > >> > >> > who
> > > >> > >> > > > are
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and
> follow
> > > >> a lot
> > > >> > >> of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> > > >> inboxes in
> > > >> > >> > order
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > ...
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > well
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If
> Ignite
> > > >> > >> veterans
> > > >> > >> > do
> > > >> > >> > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > find
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know
> who
> > > >> else can
> > > >> > >> > > > benefit
> > > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM
> Denis
> > > >> > >> Mekhanikov
> > > >> > >> > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set
> up a
> > > >> filter.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make
> them do
> > > >> it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something
> –
> > > >> write to
> > > >> > >> dev
> > > >> > >> > > > list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review –
> write to
> > > >> dev
> > > >> > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement –
> write
> > > to
> > > >> dev
> > > >> > >> > list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages
> can
> > > >> replace
> > > >> > >> any
> > > >> > >> > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> > > >> message
> > > >> > >> from
> > > >> > >> > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > bot.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of
> JIRA
> > > >> tickets
> > > >> > >> > should
> > > >> > >> > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending
> messages
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> > everyone.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50,
> Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set
> up a
> > > >> filter.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to
> be
> > > >> done by
> > > >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions
> are
> > > >> made
> > > >> > >> off
> > > >> > >> > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others -
> it
> > > >> really
> > > >> > >> signs
> > > >> > >> > > > poor
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to
> fight
> > > >> with
> > > >> > >> JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> > > >> development. If
> > > >> > >> we
> > > >> > >> > > > don't
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30,
> Denis
> > > >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act
> openly
> > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> > > >> development
> > > >> > >> > process.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't
> care
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >> it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets
> are
> > > >> open for
> > > >> > >> > > > everyone,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > so
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > no
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a
> separate
> > > >> mailing
> > > >> > >> > list for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as
> easy to
> > > >> search
> > > >> > >> > > > through,
> > > >> > >> > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the
> dev
> > > >> list,
> > > >> > >> then
> > > >> > >> > > > only
> > > >> > >> > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the
> email
> > > >> filters
> > > >> > >> > will see
> > > >> > >> > > > > it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it,
> because
> > > it
> > > >> will
> > > >> > >> get
> > > >> > >> > > > lost
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > among
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> > > receiving
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or
> even
> > > >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what
> happens
> > > >> there. It
> > > >> > >> > would
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out
> the
> > > >> > >> > corresponding
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to
> filter
> > > >> out all
> > > >> > >> > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible
> topics,
> > > >> that bots
> > > >> > >> > may
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots
> only
> > > >> grows
> > > >> > >> > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > time,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state,
> otherwise
> > > >> messages
> > > >> > >> > will
> > > >> > >> > > > > spill
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > into
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> > > >> Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this
> decision
> > > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> > openness
> > > >> > >> > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors
> pay
> > > >> > >> attention
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > > > run
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > their
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly
> manner:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> > > >> features, and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along
> the
> > > way
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA
> from
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> > > only
> > > >> way
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > keep
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to
> dev.
> > > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice
> that all
> > > >> > >> > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be
> removed.
> > > >> Now it
> > > >> > >> > can't.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve
> by
> > > >> removing
> > > >> > >> > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 17:34,
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> > > >> > >> > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> > > automatically
> > > >> > >> > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> > > >> important
> > > >> > >> > ones).
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> > > here:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes
> the
> > > >> Nabble
> > > >> > >> > portal an
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human
> communication.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search
> for
> > > >> old
> > > >> > >> > > > discussions,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > because
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> > > >> messages pop
> > > >> > >> in
> > > >> > >> > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > search
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person
> configure
> > > >> email
> > > >> > >> > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> > > >> human-hours
> > > >> > >> has
> > > >> > >> > been
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> > > >> others,
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >> > make
> > > >> > >> > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 13:20,
> > > >> > >> Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a
> formal
> > > >> vote
> > > >> > >> on
> > > >> > >> > this
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> > > separate
> > > >> list
> > > >> > >> for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > > 16:08,
> > > >> > >> > Vladimir
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that
> "set the
> > > >> > >> filter"
> > > >> > >> > is
> > > >> > >> > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > a
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> > > >> technically.
> > > >> > >> E.g.
> > > >> > >> > I use
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> > > >> cannot
> > > >> > >> > extract
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail
> capabilities.
> > > >> But the
> > > >> > >> > more
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > important
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone
> needs
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> went
> > > >> > >> > > > through
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > that
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a
> spam.
> > > >> Looks
> > > >> > >> like
> > > >> > >> > > > > everyone
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation
> -
> > > >> this is
> > > >> > >> all
> > > >> > >> > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> > > this
> > > >> is
> > > >> > >> > likely to
> > > >> > >> > > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When
> someone
> > > >> creates
> > > >> > >> a
> > > >> > >> > > > ticket,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > most
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> > > >> discussed
> > > >> > >> > issue, or
> > > >> > >> > > > > so.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > In
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> > > >> interested
> > > >> > >> in
> > > >> > >> > > > manual
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in
> "Ticket
> > > >> > >> created"
> > > >> > >> > > > > messages.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows
> important.
> > > >> Let's
> > > >> > >> > continue
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> > > >> should be
> > > >> > >> > done to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018
> at
> > > >> 6:49 PM
> > > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> > > >> digest, is
> > > >> > >> > probably
> > > >> > >> > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to
> digest.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> г. в
> > > >> 18:28,
> > > >> > >> Petr
> > > >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> > > >> notifications
> > > >> > >> > united in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > some
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> > > >> special
> > > >> > >> filter
> > > >> > >> > > > (new
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> > > >> scheme?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018,
> at
> > > >> 18:15,
> > > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should
> mention I
> > > >> > >> disagree
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > remove
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone
> to
> > > >> > >> understand
> > > >> > >> > what
> > > >> > >> > > > > > other
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> > > always
> > > >> can
> > > >> > >> > comment
> > > >> > >> > > > if
> > > >> > >> > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate
> issue,
> > > and
> > > >> you
> > > >> > >> may
> > > >> > >> > > > > suggest
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > help.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR
> notification is
> > > >> more or
> > > >> > >> > less
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to
> move
> > > >> Git's
> > > >> > >> > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > б>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should
> keep
> > > >> JIRA
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >> > test
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб.
> 2018
> > > г. в
> > > >> > >> 17:49,
> > > >> > >> > > > Alexey
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter
> for
> > > >> e-mail
> > > >> > >> > from
> > > >> > >> > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > (very
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
> > > >> visiting
> > > >> > >> > JIRA).
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
> > > >> deleting
> > > >> > >> tons
> > > >> > >> > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know
> what
> > > >> for we
> > > >> > >> > need
> > > >> > >> > > > > them?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try
> to
> > > >> move
> > > >> > >> > GitBox &
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > --
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > --
> > > >> > >> > Best regards,
> > > >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexey Kuznetsov
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Pavlukhin
>

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>]

I'm using  commits@ignite.apache.org to track who and what commits to
master :)

-- 
Alexey Kuznetsov

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>]

+1 for moving JIRA notifications out of dev-list. No strict opinion
which list should be a destination for them, I am fine with both
options.

By the way Community Resources page [1] refers to 2 another lists
issues@ignite.apache.org and commits@ignite.apache.org (but
notifications@ignite.apache.org is not listed there). Does anyone know
why these lists are needed? Does anyone use any of them?

[1] https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html

чт, 10 янв. 2019 г. в 17:57, Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>:
>
> +1 for  jira@ignite.apache.org
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:55 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
> > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> > using the list.
> >
> > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list. Please
> > share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or we
> > should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Please start a vote according to
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from
> > the
> > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> > >
> > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> > messages,
> > >> it
> > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> > list,
> > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> > >> >
> > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> > >> creation
> > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> > >> >
> > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> >:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Dmitriy,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA,
> > >> create
> > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often
> > you
> > >> want
> > >> > >> to receive these emails.
> > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> > emails
> > >> from
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> bot.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> > track
> > >> new
> > >> > >> tickets,
> > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we
> > >> need
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Denis
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types
> > >> on
> > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> > >> > >> > TC bot +
> > >> > >> > Jira -
> > >> > >> > GitHub -
> > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org
> > >:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> > >> importance
> > >> > >> is
> > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is
> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I
> > >> can
> > >> > >> only
> > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or
> > she
> > >> may
> > >> > >> > think
> > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> > contributors
> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch
> > >> it
> > >> > >> off.
> > >> > >> > We
> > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> > >> human-human
> > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> > (especially,
> > >> > >> PMCs),
> > >> > >> > so
> > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> > >> step. Only
> > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the
> > >> only
> > >> > >> > goal.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify
> > >> emails
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > be
> > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other
> > >> > >> classes: a
> > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> > JIRA
> > >> issue
> > >> > >> > > > created
> > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
> > >> review,
> > >> > >> > etc, you
> > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to
> > >> > >> > duplicate.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@
> > .-
> > >> PR
> > >> > >> > creation
> > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will
> > >> see
> > >> > >> > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> > >> discuss
> > >> > >> Open
> > >> > >> > ->
> > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> > >> Hopefully, it
> > >> > >> > will not
> > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
> > >> count to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here
> > >> at
> > >> > >> all,
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> > >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> > >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> > >> interesting.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
> > >> > >> community
> > >> > >> > > > > > developers
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to
> > this
> > >> > >> > discussion.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> > >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As
> > >> for
> > >> > >> > JIRA, not
> > >> > >> > > > > > sure
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up
> > all
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> > Otherwise,
> > >> some
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > us
> > >> > >> > > > > might
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> > >> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > when
> > >> > >> > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> > >> member"
> > >> > >> as a
> > >> > >> > > > guide
> > >> > >> > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> > point
> > >> in
> > >> > >> time
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > > were
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
> > >> nothing
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> > Incubator
> > >> > >> member
> > >> > >> > are
> > >> > >> > > > asf
> > >> > >> > > > > > > members
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the
> > >> list
> > >> > >> > started
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince
> > >> me its
> > >> > >> > is not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> > >> duplicate
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > > > jira,
> > >> > >> > > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward
> > all
> > >> > >> > comments and
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> > will
> > >> > >> confirm
> > >> > >> > it
> > >> > >> > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> but
> > >> > >> > for
> > >> > >> > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> very
> > >> > >> > > > > useful.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> > >> automated
> > >> > >> > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> > emails
> > >> > >> > completely,
> > >> > >> > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir
> > >> Ozerov
> > >> > >> <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
> > >> generated
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
> > >> > >> obviously
> > >> > >> > have
> > >> > >> > > > > too
> > >> > >> > > > > > > much
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad.
> > >> But
> > >> > >> > whether
> > >> > >> > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is
> > not
> > >> > >> > important at
> > >> > >> > > > > > all,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> > >> channel.
> > >> > >> And
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns
> > of
> > >> our
> > >> > >> > mentors
> > >> > >> > > > > > during
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little
> > real
> > >> > >> > > > > communications.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we
> > >> are.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
> > >> how PMCs
> > >> > >> > treat
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that
> > >> > >> problem,
> > >> > >> > one
> > >> > >> > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I,
> > >> > >> another
> > >> > >> > PMC,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> > third
> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > > also
> > >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> > filter
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > GMail.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
> > >> many
> > >> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> > who
> > >> > >> > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow
> > >> a lot
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> > >> inboxes in
> > >> > >> > order
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > well
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite
> > >> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
> > >> else can
> > >> > >> > > > benefit
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
> > >> > >> Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do
> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
> > >> write to
> > >> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > > > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write
> > to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
> > >> replace
> > >> > >> any
> > >> > >> > of
> > >> > >> > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> > >> message
> > >> > >> from
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > bot.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
> > >> tickets
> > >> > >> > should
> > >> > >> > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages
> > >> to
> > >> > >> > everyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy
> > >> > >> Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
> > >> done by
> > >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are
> > >> made
> > >> > >> off
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
> > >> really
> > >> > >> signs
> > >> > >> > > > poor
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
> > >> with
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> > >> development. If
> > >> > >> we
> > >> > >> > > > don't
> > >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis
> > >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly
> > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> > >> development
> > >> > >> > process.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care
> > >> about
> > >> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
> > >> open for
> > >> > >> > > > everyone,
> > >> > >> > > > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
> > >> mailing
> > >> > >> > list for
> > >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to
> > >> search
> > >> > >> > > > through,
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev
> > >> list,
> > >> > >> then
> > >> > >> > > > only
> > >> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> > will see
> > >> > >> > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because
> > it
> > >> will
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> > > > lost
> > >> > >> > > > > > > among
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> > receiving
> > >> the
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even
> > >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
> > >> there. It
> > >> > >> > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
> > >> > >> > corresponding
> > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
> > >> out all
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
> > >> that bots
> > >> > >> > may
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only
> > >> grows
> > >> > >> > with
> > >> > >> > > > > time,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
> > >> messages
> > >> > >> > will
> > >> > >> > > > > spill
> > >> > >> > > > > > > into
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay
> > >> > >> attention
> > >> > >> > to
> > >> > >> > > > run
> > >> > >> > > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> > >> features, and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the
> > way
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >>
> > >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> > only
> > >> way
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > keep
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all
> > >> > >> > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed.
> > >> Now it
> > >> > >> > can't.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
> > >> removing
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
> > >> Denis
> > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> > automatically
> > >> > >> > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> > >> important
> > >> > >> > ones).
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> > here:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
> > >> Nabble
> > >> > >> > portal an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for
> > >> old
> > >> > >> > > > discussions,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> > >> messages pop
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > search
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure
> > >> email
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> > >> human-hours
> > >> > >> has
> > >> > >> > been
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> > >> others,
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > make
> > >> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20,
> > >> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal
> > >> vote
> > >> > >> on
> > >> > >> > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> > separate
> > >> list
> > >> > >> for
> > >> > >> > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > 16:08,
> > >> > >> > Vladimir
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the
> > >> > >> filter"
> > >> > >> > is
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> > >> technically.
> > >> > >> E.g.
> > >> > >> > I use
> > >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> > >> cannot
> > >> > >> > extract
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities.
> > >> But the
> > >> > >> > more
> > >> > >> > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs
> > >> to
> > >> > >> went
> > >> > >> > > > through
> > >> > >> > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
> > >> Looks
> > >> > >> like
> > >> > >> > > > > everyone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
> > >> this is
> > >> > >> all
> > >> > >> > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> > this
> > >> is
> > >> > >> > likely to
> > >> > >> > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
> > >> creates
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> > > > ticket,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > most
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> > >> discussed
> > >> > >> > issue, or
> > >> > >> > > > > so.
> > >> > >> > > > > > In
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> > >> interested
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > > manual
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in "Ticket
> > >> > >> created"
> > >> > >> > > > > messages.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
> > >> Let's
> > >> > >> > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> > >> should be
> > >> > >> > done to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
> > >> 6:49 PM
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> > >> digest, is
> > >> > >> > probably
> > >> > >> > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to digest.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > >> 18:28,
> > >> > >> Petr
> > >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> > >> > >> > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > united in
> > >> > >> > > > > > some
> > >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> > >> special
> > >> > >> filter
> > >> > >> > > > (new
> > >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> > >> scheme?
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
> > >> 18:15,
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention I
> > >> > >> disagree
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> > >> > >> > > > > remove
> > >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
> > >> > >> understand
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> > >> > >> > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> > always
> > >> can
> > >> > >> > comment
> > >> > >> > > > if
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > is
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue,
> > and
> > >> you
> > >> > >> may
> > >> > >> > > > > suggest
> > >> > >> > > > > > > help.
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification is
> > >> more or
> > >> > >> > less
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
> > >> Git's
> > >> > >> > messages
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > б>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > test
> > >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> > г. в
> > >> > >> 17:49,
> > >> > >> > > > Alexey
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter for
> > >> e-mail
> > >> > >> > from
> > >> > >> > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > (very
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> > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > --
> > >> > >> > Best regards,
> > >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexey Kuznetsov



-- 
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>]

+1 for  jira@ignite.apache.org

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:55 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Igniters,
>
> After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
> feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> using the list.
>
> I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list. Please
> share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or we
> should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>
> > Please start a vote according to
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> >
> > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from
> the
> > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> >
> > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >> >
> >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> messages,
> >> it
> >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> list,
> >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> >> >
> >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> >> creation
> >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> >> >
> >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >> >
> >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course.
> >> > >
> >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> >> > >
> >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Dmitriy,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA,
> >> create
> >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
> >> filters
> >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often
> you
> >> want
> >> > >> to receive these emails.
> >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> emails
> >> from
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> bot.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> track
> >> new
> >> > >> tickets,
> >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we
> >> need
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Denis
> >> > >>
> >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types
> >> on
> >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> >> > >> > TC bot +
> >> > >> > Jira -
> >> > >> > GitHub -
> >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org
> >:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> >> importance
> >> > >> is
> >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is
> >> not
> >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I
> >> can
> >> > >> only
> >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or
> she
> >> may
> >> > >> > think
> >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> contributors
> >> who
> >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch
> >> it
> >> > >> off.
> >> > >> > We
> >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> >> human-human
> >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> (especially,
> >> > >> PMCs),
> >> > >> > so
> >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency
> >> in
> >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> >> step. Only
> >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the
> >> only
> >> > >> > goal.
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify
> >> emails
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > be
> >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other
> >> > >> classes: a
> >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> JIRA
> >> issue
> >> > >> > > > created
> >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
> >> review,
> >> > >> > etc, you
> >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to
> >> > >> > duplicate.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@
> .-
> >> PR
> >> > >> > creation
> >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will
> >> see
> >> > >> > > > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> >> discuss
> >> > >> Open
> >> > >> > ->
> >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> >> Hopefully, it
> >> > >> > will not
> >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
> >> count to
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here
> >> at
> >> > >> all,
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> >> interesting.
> >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
> >> > >> community
> >> > >> > > > > > developers
> >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to
> this
> >> > >> > discussion.
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As
> >> for
> >> > >> > JIRA, not
> >> > >> > > > > > sure
> >> > >> > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up
> all
> >> the
> >> > >> > filters
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> Otherwise,
> >> some
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> > us
> >> > >> > > > > might
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> >> > >> notifications
> >> > >> > when
> >> > >> > > > > > their
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> >> member"
> >> > >> as a
> >> > >> > > > guide
> >> > >> > > > > > for
> >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> point
> >> in
> >> > >> time
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > > were
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
> >> nothing
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > do
> >> > >> > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> Incubator
> >> > >> member
> >> > >> > are
> >> > >> > > > asf
> >> > >> > > > > > > members
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the
> >> list
> >> > >> > started
> >> > >> > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince
> >> me its
> >> > >> > is not
> >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> tickets
> >> are
> >> > >> not
> >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> >> duplicate
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > > > jira,
> >> > >> > > > > > but
> >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward
> all
> >> > >> > comments and
> >> > >> > > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> will
> >> > >> confirm
> >> > >> > it
> >> > >> > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on
> >> the
> >> > >> list
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> >> veterans
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> > for
> >> > >> > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the
> >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn
> <
> >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> tickets
> >> are
> >> > >> very
> >> > >> > > > > useful.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> >> automated
> >> > >> > emails.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> emails
> >> > >> > completely,
> >> > >> > > > > but
> >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir
> >> Ozerov
> >> > >> <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
> >> generated
> >> > >> > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
> >> > >> obviously
> >> > >> > have
> >> > >> > > > > too
> >> > >> > > > > > > much
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad.
> >> But
> >> > >> > whether
> >> > >> > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is
> not
> >> > >> > important at
> >> > >> > > > > > all,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> >> channel.
> >> > >> And
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > > > far
> >> > >> > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns
> of
> >> our
> >> > >> > mentors
> >> > >> > > > > > during
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little
> real
> >> > >> > > > > communications.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we
> >> are.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
> >> how PMCs
> >> > >> > treat
> >> > >> > > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that
> >> > >> problem,
> >> > >> > one
> >> > >> > > > > PMC
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I,
> >> > >> another
> >> > >> > PMC,
> >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> third
> >> PMC,
> >> > >> who
> >> > >> > > > also
> >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> filter
> >> in
> >> > >> > GMail.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
> >> many
> >> > >> PMC,
> >> > >> > who
> >> > >> > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow
> >> a lot
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> >> inboxes in
> >> > >> > order
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > ...
> >> > >> > > > > > > well
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite
> >> > >> veterans
> >> > >> > do
> >> > >> > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > find
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
> >> else can
> >> > >> > > > benefit
> >> > >> > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
> >> > >> Mekhanikov
> >> > >> > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> >> filter.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do
> >> it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
> >> write to
> >> > >> dev
> >> > >> > > > list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to
> >> dev
> >> > >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write
> to
> >> dev
> >> > >> > list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
> >> replace
> >> > >> any
> >> > >> > of
> >> > >> > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> >> message
> >> > >> from
> >> > >> > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > bot.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
> >> tickets
> >> > >> > should
> >> > >> > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages
> >> to
> >> > >> > everyone.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy
> >> > >> Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> >> filter.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
> >> done by
> >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are
> >> made
> >> > >> off
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
> >> really
> >> > >> signs
> >> > >> > > > poor
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
> >> with
> >> > >> JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> >> development. If
> >> > >> we
> >> > >> > > > don't
> >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis
> >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly
> and
> >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> >> development
> >> > >> > process.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care
> >> about
> >> > >> it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
> >> open for
> >> > >> > > > everyone,
> >> > >> > > > > > so
> >> > >> > > > > > > no
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
> >> mailing
> >> > >> > list for
> >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to
> >> search
> >> > >> > > > through,
> >> > >> > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev
> >> list,
> >> > >> then
> >> > >> > > > only
> >> > >> > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
> >> filters
> >> > >> > will see
> >> > >> > > > > it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because
> it
> >> will
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> > > > lost
> >> > >> > > > > > > among
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> receiving
> >> the
> >> > >> JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even
> >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
> >> there. It
> >> > >> > would
> >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
> >> > >> > corresponding
> >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
> >> out all
> >> > >> > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
> >> that bots
> >> > >> > may
> >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only
> >> grows
> >> > >> > with
> >> > >> > > > > time,
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
> >> messages
> >> > >> > will
> >> > >> > > > > spill
> >> > >> > > > > > > into
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> >> Dmitriy
> >> > >> > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision
> is
> >> the
> >> > >> > openness
> >> > >> > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay
> >> > >> attention
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > > > run
> >> > >> > > > > > > their
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> >> features, and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the
> way
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >>
> >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from
> >> the
> >> > >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> only
> >> way
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > keep
> >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
> >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all
> >> > >> > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed.
> >> Now it
> >> > >> > can't.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
> >> removing
> >> > >> > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
> >> Denis
> >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> >> > >> > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> automatically
> >> > >> > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> >> important
> >> > >> > ones).
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> here:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >>
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
> >> Nabble
> >> > >> > portal an
> >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for
> >> old
> >> > >> > > > discussions,
> >> > >> > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> >> messages pop
> >> > >> in
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > > > > > search
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure
> >> email
> >> > >> > filters
> >> > >> > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> >> human-hours
> >> > >> has
> >> > >> > been
> >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> >> others,
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> > make
> >> > >> > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20,
> >> > >> Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal
> >> vote
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> > this
> >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> separate
> >> list
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 16:08,
> >> > >> > Vladimir
> >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the
> >> > >> filter"
> >> > >> > is
> >> > >> > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> >> technically.
> >> > >> E.g.
> >> > >> > I use
> >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> >> cannot
> >> > >> > extract
> >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities.
> >> But the
> >> > >> > more
> >> > >> > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs
> >> to
> >> > >> went
> >> > >> > > > through
> >> > >> > > > > > > that
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
> >> Looks
> >> > >> like
> >> > >> > > > > everyone
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
> >> this is
> >> > >> all
> >> > >> > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> this
> >> is
> >> > >> > likely to
> >> > >> > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
> >> creates
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > > > ticket,
> >> > >> > > > > > > most
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> >> discussed
> >> > >> > issue, or
> >> > >> > > > > so.
> >> > >> > > > > > In
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> >> interested
> >> > >> in
> >> > >> > > > manual
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in "Ticket
> >> > >> created"
> >> > >> > > > > messages.
> >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
> >> Let's
> >> > >> > continue
> >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> >> should be
> >> > >> > done to
> >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
> >> 6:49 PM
> >> > >> > Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> >> digest, is
> >> > >> > probably
> >> > >> > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to digest.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
> >> 18:28,
> >> > >> Petr
> >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> >> > >> > > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> >> notifications
> >> > >> > united in
> >> > >> > > > > > some
> >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> >> special
> >> > >> filter
> >> > >> > > > (new
> >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> >> scheme?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
> >> 18:15,
> >> > >> > Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention I
> >> > >> disagree
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > > > > remove
> >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
> >> > >> understand
> >> > >> > what
> >> > >> > > > > > other
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> always
> >> can
> >> > >> > comment
> >> > >> > > > if
> >> > >> > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue,
> and
> >> you
> >> > >> may
> >> > >> > > > > suggest
> >> > >> > > > > > > help.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification is
> >> more or
> >> > >> > less
> >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR),
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
> >> Git's
> >> > >> > messages
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > б>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should keep
> >> JIRA
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> > test
> >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> г. в
> >> > >> 17:49,
> >> > >> > > > Alexey
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter for
> >> e-mail
> >> > >> > from
> >> > >> > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > (very
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
> >> visiting
> >> > >> > JIRA).
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
> >> deleting
> >> > >> tons
> >> > >> > of
> >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
> >> > >> > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know what
> >> for we
> >> > >> > need
> >> > >> > > > > them?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try to
> >> move
> >> > >> > GitBox &
> >> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > --
> >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Best regards,
> >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>
> >>
>


-- 
Alexey Kuznetsov

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Hi Oleg,

AFAIK digest subscription works for individuals, who can voluntary
subscribe to digests. It is not about forwarding digests from one list
to another.

Forwarding digest may require us to develop some kind of our own tool for
this (like AI TC Bot), but I would like to avoid any development here :).

Actually, I thought only about someone who wants to monitor the list (to
understand what happens, to select issue he or she want to contribute/or to
discourage its addition to the product).

But this forwarding is also to be used by all community members to know if
there any issues related to their previous contributions. A user who
reports a new issue using JIRA usually has absolutely no clue who can now
help with resolving. So this forwarding should help us to figure out any
new problems should be addressed.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 12:47, oignatenko <oi...@gridgain.com>:

> Hi Denis,
>
> Mixing JIRA and human mails in one list seems to be inconvenient both for
> those interested in monitoring human and JIRA mails and from this
> perspective separate lists approach looks superior.
>
> Also, your mention of filtering made me wonder if "mixed" approach may have
> effect opposite to what you want, that is folks will just blindly filter
> out
> JIRA mails so that these will be effectively hidden from target audience.
>
> That said, your reasons for sending JIRA notifications to mailing list
> readers look important to me and that also makes me unhappy with approach
> of
> separate JIRA list.
>
> Trying to figure if there is a way to somehow resolve above contradiction I
> re-checked Apache mailing lists documentation for maybe they have something
> to address these matters somehow.
>
> From what I read it looks that we can try sort of combined solution, when
> JIRA notification feed to separate mailing list which in turn forwards
> daily
> digest to human list. [1]
>
> WDYT?
>
> regards, Oleg
>
> [1]: https://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#digest-subscriptions
>
>
> Denis Magda-2 wrote
> > -1 for this action.
> >
> > JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
> > across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
> > has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve
> > and
> > fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
> > won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
> > century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.
> >
> > --
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov &lt;
>
> > dpavlov@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Igniters,
> >>
> >> After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very
> subjective)
> >> feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> >> definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> >> using the list.
> >>
> >> I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
> >> Please
> >> share your vision on this topic. Should it be
>
> > jira@.apache
>
> >  or we
> >> should reuse
>
> > notifications@.apache
>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/
>

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[oignatenko <oi...@gridgain.com>]

Hi Denis,

Mixing JIRA and human mails in one list seems to be inconvenient both for
those interested in monitoring human and JIRA mails and from this
perspective separate lists approach looks superior.

Also, your mention of filtering made me wonder if "mixed" approach may have
effect opposite to what you want, that is folks will just blindly filter out
JIRA mails so that these will be effectively hidden from target audience.

That said, your reasons for sending JIRA notifications to mailing list
readers look important to me and that also makes me unhappy with approach of
separate JIRA list.

Trying to figure if there is a way to somehow resolve above contradiction I
re-checked Apache mailing lists documentation for maybe they have something
to address these matters somehow.

From what I read it looks that we can try sort of combined solution, when
JIRA notification feed to separate mailing list which in turn forwards daily
digest to human list. [1]

WDYT?

regards, Oleg

[1]: https://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#digest-subscriptions


Denis Magda-2 wrote
> -1 for this action.
> 
> JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
> across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
> has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve
> and
> fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
> won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
> century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.
> 
> --
> Denis
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <

> dpavlov@

> > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Igniters,
>>
>> After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
>> feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
>> definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
>> using the list.
>>
>> I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
>> Please
>> share your vision on this topic. Should it be 

> jira@.apache

>  or we
>> should reuse 

> notifications@.apache

>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Dmitriy Pavlov
>> 





--
Sent from: http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Vladimir,

Personally, I treat ticket creation in JIRA as an alternate action for a
new dev list discussion when a task is not severe, and there is no need to
start an explicit conversation. Someone wants the dev community to be aware
of a task or issue, hoping that ownership will be taken soon. Yes,
sometimes dev discussions precede the ticket creation, but as far as I see,
there are much more "ticket first" occurrences when a discussion is
redundant, but the dev community still has to be aware of.

--
Denis

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:25 PM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
wrote:

> Denis,
>
> We have long discussion about that (see above). And general consensus is
> that typical contributor is not interested in majority of automated
> messages. All updates except of "ticket created" are already routed to the
> separate list for a long time. This JIRA list contains important
> notifications such as status changes and people mentions, which are of
> equal importance to community. And nobody complained yet that he misses
> something important because of this list.
>
> Moreover, when tickets are created, they are very often contain only
> preliminary thoughts and design, and do not reflect accurately what is
> going to be done. What does really matter is human communication on the dev
> list, human comments in JIRA, IEP.
>
> If we want to keep community aware of new tickets still, we can organize
> weekly or monthly digest with the list of all created tickets during the
> period.
>
> Vladimir.
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > -1 for this action.
> >
> > JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
> > across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
> > has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve
> and
> > fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
> > won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
> > century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.
> >
> > --
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters,
> > >
> > > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very
> subjective)
> > > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> > > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> > > using the list.
> > >
> > > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
> > Please
> > > share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org
> or
> > we
> > > should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > Please start a vote according to
> > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> > > >
> > > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications
> from
> > > the
> > > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if
> someone
> > > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> > > >
> > > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> > > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> > > messages,
> > > >> it
> > > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> > > list,
> > > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> > > >> creation
> > > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org
> >:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> > > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of
> > course.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> >:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to
> > JIRA,
> > > >> create
> > > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> > > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration
> of
> > > >> filters
> > > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> > > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how
> often
> > > you
> > > >> want
> > > >> > >> to receive these emails.
> > > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> > > emails
> > > >> from
> > > >> > >> a
> > > >> > >> bot.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> > > track
> > > >> new
> > > >> > >> tickets,
> > > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see,
> why
> > we
> > > >> need
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Denis
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <
> vololo100@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> > Hi,
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned
> > types
> > > >> on
> > > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> > > >> > >> > TC bot +
> > > >> > >> > Jira -
> > > >> > >> > GitHub -
> > > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> > > >> importance
> > > >> > >> is
> > > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it
> > is
> > > >> not
> > > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you.
> > So I
> > > >> can
> > > >> > >> only
> > > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need
> > action.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he
> or
> > > she
> > > >> may
> > > >> > >> > think
> > > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> > > contributors
> > > >> who
> > > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to
> > switch
> > > >> it
> > > >> > >> off.
> > > >> > >> > We
> > > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> > > >> human-human
> > > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> > > (especially,
> > > >> > >> PMCs),
> > > >> > >> > so
> > > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive
> > tendency
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> > > >> step. Only
> > > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is
> > the
> > > >> only
> > > >> > >> > goal.
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not
> > classify
> > > >> emails
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to
> > other
> > > >> > >> classes: a
> > > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> > > JIRA
> > > >> issue
> > > >> > >> > > > created
> > > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with
> comments,
> > > >> review,
> > > >> > >> > etc, you
> > > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also
> point
> > to
> > > >> > >> > duplicate.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> > > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to
> notifications@
> > > .-
> > > >> PR
> > > >> > >> > creation
> > > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> > > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we
> > will
> > > >> see
> > > >> > >> > > > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> > > >> discuss
> > > >> > >> Open
> > > >> > >> > ->
> > > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> > > >> Hopefully, it
> > > >> > >> > will not
> > > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric -
> message
> > > >> count to
> > > >> > >> be
> > > >> > >> > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write
> > here
> > > >> at
> > > >> > >> all,
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from
> redirection?
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> > > >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated
> stuff.
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> > > >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> > > >> interesting.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid
> bothering
> > > >> > >> community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > developers
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing
> to
> > > this
> > > >> > >> > discussion.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> > > >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate
> list.
> > As
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> > JIRA, not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > sure
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set
> up
> > > all
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> > > Otherwise,
> > > >> some
> > > >> > >> of
> > > >> > >> > us
> > > >> > >> > > > > might
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> > > >> > >> notifications
> > > >> > >> > when
> > > >> > >> > > > > > their
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir
> Ozerov
> > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> > > >> member"
> > > >> > >> as a
> > > >> > >> > > > guide
> > > >> > >> > > > > > for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> > > point
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> time
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > were
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages
> has
> > > >> nothing
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > do
> > > >> > >> > > > > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to
> me.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> > > Incubator
> > > >> > >> member
> > > >> > >> > are
> > > >> > >> > > > asf
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > members
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at
> > the
> > > >> list
> > > >> > >> > started
> > > >> > >> > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not
> > convince
> > > >> me its
> > > >> > >> > is not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> > > tickets
> > > >> are
> > > >> > >> not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> > > >> duplicate
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > > > jira,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > but
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to
> forward
> > > all
> > > >> > >> > comments and
> > > >> > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> > > will
> > > >> > >> confirm
> > > >> > >> > it
> > > >> > >> > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> list
> > > >> > >> > we
> > > >> > >> > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> > > >> veterans
> > > >> > >> but
> > > >> > >> > for
> > > >> > >> > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to
> > the
> > > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel
> > Tupitsyn
> > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> > > tickets
> > > >> are
> > > >> > >> very
> > > >> > >> > > > > useful.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> > > >> automated
> > > >> > >> > emails.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> > > emails
> > > >> > >> > completely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > but
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM
> > Vladimir
> > > >> Ozerov
> > > >> > >> <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons
> of
> > > >> generated
> > > >> > >> > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently
> we
> > > >> > >> obviously
> > > >> > >> > have
> > > >> > >> > > > > too
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > much
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is
> > bad.
> > > >> But
> > > >> > >> > whether
> > > >> > >> > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place
> is
> > > not
> > > >> > >> > important at
> > > >> > >> > > > > > all,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> > > >> channel.
> > > >> > >> And
> > > >> > >> > as
> > > >> > >> > > > far
> > > >> > >> > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious
> concerns
> > > of
> > > >> our
> > > >> > >> > mentors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > during
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too
> little
> > > real
> > > >> > >> > > > > communications.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where
> > we
> > > >> are.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing
> is
> > > >> how PMCs
> > > >> > >> > treat
> > > >> > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with
> > that
> > > >> > >> problem,
> > > >> > >> > one
> > > >> > >> > > > > PMC
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do".
> Then
> > I,
> > > >> > >> another
> > > >> > >> > PMC,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> > > third
> > > >> PMC,
> > > >> > >> who
> > > >> > >> > > > also
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> > > filter
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> > GMail.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that
> so
> > > >> many
> > > >> > >> PMC,
> > > >> > >> > who
> > > >> > >> > > > are
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and
> > follow
> > > >> a lot
> > > >> > >> of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> > > >> inboxes in
> > > >> > >> > order
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > ...
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > well
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If
> > Ignite
> > > >> > >> veterans
> > > >> > >> > do
> > > >> > >> > > > not
> > > >> > >> > > > > > find
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know
> who
> > > >> else can
> > > >> > >> > > > benefit
> > > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM
> Denis
> > > >> > >> Mekhanikov
> > > >> > >> > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set
> up
> > a
> > > >> filter.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make
> them
> > do
> > > >> it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something
> –
> > > >> write to
> > > >> > >> dev
> > > >> > >> > > > list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write
> > to
> > > >> dev
> > > >> > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement –
> write
> > > to
> > > >> dev
> > > >> > >> > list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages
> can
> > > >> replace
> > > >> > >> any
> > > >> > >> > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > these
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> > > >> message
> > > >> > >> from
> > > >> > >> > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > bot.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of
> JIRA
> > > >> tickets
> > > >> > >> > should
> > > >> > >> > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending
> > messages
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> > everyone.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50,
> > Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set
> up
> > a
> > > >> filter.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to
> be
> > > >> done by
> > > >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions
> > are
> > > >> made
> > > >> > >> off
> > > >> > >> > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > list
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others -
> it
> > > >> really
> > > >> > >> signs
> > > >> > >> > > > poor
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to
> fight
> > > >> with
> > > >> > >> JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> > > >> development. If
> > > >> > >> we
> > > >> > >> > > > don't
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30,
> > Denis
> > > >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act
> openly
> > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> > > >> development
> > > >> > >> > process.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't
> > care
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >> it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets
> are
> > > >> open for
> > > >> > >> > > > everyone,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > so
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > no
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a
> separate
> > > >> mailing
> > > >> > >> > list for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy
> > to
> > > >> search
> > > >> > >> > > > through,
> > > >> > >> > > > > as
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the
> > dev
> > > >> list,
> > > >> > >> then
> > > >> > >> > > > only
> > > >> > >> > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the
> email
> > > >> filters
> > > >> > >> > will see
> > > >> > >> > > > > it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it,
> because
> > > it
> > > >> will
> > > >> > >> get
> > > >> > >> > > > lost
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > among
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> > > receiving
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or
> > even
> > > >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what
> happens
> > > >> there. It
> > > >> > >> > would
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out
> the
> > > >> > >> > corresponding
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to
> filter
> > > >> out all
> > > >> > >> > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible
> topics,
> > > >> that bots
> > > >> > >> > may
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots
> > only
> > > >> grows
> > > >> > >> > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > time,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state,
> otherwise
> > > >> messages
> > > >> > >> > will
> > > >> > >> > > > > spill
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > into
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> > > >> Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this
> decision
> > > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> > openness
> > > >> > >> > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors
> > pay
> > > >> > >> attention
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > > > run
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > their
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly
> > manner:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> > > >> features, and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along
> the
> > > way
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA
> > from
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> > > only
> > > >> way
> > > >> > >> to
> > > >> > >> > keep
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to
> dev.
> > > >> list.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that
> > all
> > > >> > >> > contributors
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be
> > removed.
> > > >> Now it
> > > >> > >> > can't.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve
> by
> > > >> removing
> > > >> > >> > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 17:34,
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> > > >> > >> > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> > > automatically
> > > >> > >> > generated
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> > > >> important
> > > >> > >> > ones).
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> > > here:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes
> the
> > > >> Nabble
> > > >> > >> > portal an
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human
> > communication.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search
> > for
> > > >> old
> > > >> > >> > > > discussions,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > because
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> > > >> messages pop
> > > >> > >> in
> > > >> > >> > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > search
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person
> > configure
> > > >> email
> > > >> > >> > filters
> > > >> > >> > > > > is
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> > > >> human-hours
> > > >> > >> has
> > > >> > >> > been
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> > > >> others,
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >> > make
> > > >> > >> > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > 13:20,
> > > >> > >> Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> > > >> > >> > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a
> > formal
> > > >> vote
> > > >> > >> on
> > > >> > >> > this
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> > > separate
> > > >> list
> > > >> > >> for
> > > >> > >> > > > > > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > > 16:08,
> > > >> > >> > Vladimir
> > > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set
> > the
> > > >> > >> filter"
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018
> at
> > > >> 6:49 PM
> > > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
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> > > >> > >> > Dmitriy
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
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> move
> > > >> Git's
> > > >> > >> > messages
> > > >> > >> > > > to
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > б>
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > keep
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> > > >> > >> and
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб.
> 2018
> > > г. в
> > > >> > >> 17:49,
> > > >> > >> > > > Alexey
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
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> > for
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> > > >> > >> > > > JIRA
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > (very
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > --
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > --
> > > >> > >> > Best regards,
> > > >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Denis,

We have long discussion about that (see above). And general consensus is
that typical contributor is not interested in majority of automated
messages. All updates except of "ticket created" are already routed to the
separate list for a long time. This JIRA list contains important
notifications such as status changes and people mentions, which are of
equal importance to community. And nobody complained yet that he misses
something important because of this list.

Moreover, when tickets are created, they are very often contain only
preliminary thoughts and design, and do not reflect accurately what is
going to be done. What does really matter is human communication on the dev
list, human comments in JIRA, IEP.

If we want to keep community aware of new tickets still, we can organize
weekly or monthly digest with the list of all created tickets during the
period.

Vladimir.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:

> -1 for this action.
>
> JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
> across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
> has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve and
> fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
> won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
> century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.
>
> --
> Denis
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
> > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> > using the list.
> >
> > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
> Please
> > share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or
> we
> > should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Please start a vote according to
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from
> > the
> > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> > >
> > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> > messages,
> > >> it
> > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> > list,
> > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> > >> >
> > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> > >> creation
> > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> > >> >
> > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of
> course.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> >:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Dmitriy,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to
> JIRA,
> > >> create
> > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often
> > you
> > >> want
> > >> > >> to receive these emails.
> > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> > emails
> > >> from
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> bot.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> > track
> > >> new
> > >> > >> tickets,
> > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why
> we
> > >> need
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Denis
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vololo100@gmail.com
> >:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned
> types
> > >> on
> > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> > >> > >> > TC bot +
> > >> > >> > Jira -
> > >> > >> > GitHub -
> > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov@apache.org
> > >:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> > >> importance
> > >> > >> is
> > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it
> is
> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you.
> So I
> > >> can
> > >> > >> only
> > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need
> action.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or
> > she
> > >> may
> > >> > >> > think
> > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> > contributors
> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to
> switch
> > >> it
> > >> > >> off.
> > >> > >> > We
> > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> > >> human-human
> > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> > (especially,
> > >> > >> PMCs),
> > >> > >> > so
> > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive
> tendency
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> > >> step. Only
> > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is
> the
> > >> only
> > >> > >> > goal.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not
> classify
> > >> emails
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > be
> > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to
> other
> > >> > >> classes: a
> > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> > JIRA
> > >> issue
> > >> > >> > > > created
> > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
> > >> review,
> > >> > >> > etc, you
> > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point
> to
> > >> > >> > duplicate.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@
> > .-
> > >> PR
> > >> > >> > creation
> > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we
> will
> > >> see
> > >> > >> > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> > >> discuss
> > >> > >> Open
> > >> > >> > ->
> > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> > >> Hopefully, it
> > >> > >> > will not
> > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
> > >> count to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write
> here
> > >> at
> > >> > >> all,
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> > >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> > >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> > >> interesting.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
> > >> > >> community
> > >> > >> > > > > > developers
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to
> > this
> > >> > >> > discussion.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> > >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list.
> As
> > >> for
> > >> > >> > JIRA, not
> > >> > >> > > > > > sure
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up
> > all
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> > Otherwise,
> > >> some
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > us
> > >> > >> > > > > might
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> > >> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > when
> > >> > >> > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov
> <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> > >> member"
> > >> > >> as a
> > >> > >> > > > guide
> > >> > >> > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> > point
> > >> in
> > >> > >> time
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > > were
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
> > >> nothing
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> > Incubator
> > >> > >> member
> > >> > >> > are
> > >> > >> > > > asf
> > >> > >> > > > > > > members
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at
> the
> > >> list
> > >> > >> > started
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not
> convince
> > >> me its
> > >> > >> > is not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> > >> duplicate
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > > > jira,
> > >> > >> > > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward
> > all
> > >> > >> > comments and
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> > will
> > >> > >> confirm
> > >> > >> > it
> > >> > >> > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues
> on
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> but
> > >> > >> > for
> > >> > >> > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to
> the
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel
> Tupitsyn
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> very
> > >> > >> > > > > useful.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> > >> automated
> > >> > >> > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> > emails
> > >> > >> > completely,
> > >> > >> > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM
> Vladimir
> > >> Ozerov
> > >> > >> <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
> > >> generated
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
> > >> > >> obviously
> > >> > >> > have
> > >> > >> > > > > too
> > >> > >> > > > > > > much
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is
> bad.
> > >> But
> > >> > >> > whether
> > >> > >> > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is
> > not
> > >> > >> > important at
> > >> > >> > > > > > all,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> > >> channel.
> > >> > >> And
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns
> > of
> > >> our
> > >> > >> > mentors
> > >> > >> > > > > > during
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little
> > real
> > >> > >> > > > > communications.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where
> we
> > >> are.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
> > >> how PMCs
> > >> > >> > treat
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with
> that
> > >> > >> problem,
> > >> > >> > one
> > >> > >> > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then
> I,
> > >> > >> another
> > >> > >> > PMC,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> > third
> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > > also
> > >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> > filter
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > GMail.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
> > >> many
> > >> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> > who
> > >> > >> > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and
> follow
> > >> a lot
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> > >> inboxes in
> > >> > >> > order
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > well
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If
> Ignite
> > >> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
> > >> else can
> > >> > >> > > > benefit
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
> > >> > >> Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up
> a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them
> do
> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
> > >> write to
> > >> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > > > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write
> to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write
> > to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
> > >> replace
> > >> > >> any
> > >> > >> > of
> > >> > >> > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> > >> message
> > >> > >> from
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > bot.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
> > >> tickets
> > >> > >> > should
> > >> > >> > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending
> messages
> > >> to
> > >> > >> > everyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50,
> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up
> a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
> > >> done by
> > >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions
> are
> > >> made
> > >> > >> off
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
> > >> really
> > >> > >> signs
> > >> > >> > > > poor
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
> > >> with
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> > >> development. If
> > >> > >> we
> > >> > >> > > > don't
> > >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30,
> Denis
> > >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly
> > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> > >> development
> > >> > >> > process.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't
> care
> > >> about
> > >> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
> > >> open for
> > >> > >> > > > everyone,
> > >> > >> > > > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
> > >> mailing
> > >> > >> > list for
> > >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy
> to
> > >> search
> > >> > >> > > > through,
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the
> dev
> > >> list,
> > >> > >> then
> > >> > >> > > > only
> > >> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> > will see
> > >> > >> > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because
> > it
> > >> will
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> > > > lost
> > >> > >> > > > > > > among
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> > receiving
> > >> the
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or
> even
> > >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
> > >> there. It
> > >> > >> > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
> > >> > >> > corresponding
> > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
> > >> out all
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
> > >> that bots
> > >> > >> > may
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots
> only
> > >> grows
> > >> > >> > with
> > >> > >> > > > > time,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
> > >> messages
> > >> > >> > will
> > >> > >> > > > > spill
> > >> > >> > > > > > > into
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors
> pay
> > >> > >> attention
> > >> > >> > to
> > >> > >> > > > run
> > >> > >> > > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly
> manner:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> > >> features, and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the
> > way
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >>
> > >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA
> from
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> > only
> > >> way
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > keep
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that
> all
> > >> > >> > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be
> removed.
> > >> Now it
> > >> > >> > can't.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
> > >> removing
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
> > >> Denis
> > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> > automatically
> > >> > >> > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> > >> important
> > >> > >> > ones).
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> > here:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
> > >> Nabble
> > >> > >> > portal an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human
> communication.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search
> for
> > >> old
> > >> > >> > > > discussions,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> > >> messages pop
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > search
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person
> configure
> > >> email
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> > >> human-hours
> > >> > >> has
> > >> > >> > been
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> > >> others,
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > make
> > >> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 13:20,
> > >> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a
> formal
> > >> vote
> > >> > >> on
> > >> > >> > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> > separate
> > >> list
> > >> > >> for
> > >> > >> > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > 16:08,
> > >> > >> > Vladimir
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set
> the
> > >> > >> filter"
> > >> > >> > is
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> > >> technically.
> > >> > >> E.g.
> > >> > >> > I use
> > >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> > >> cannot
> > >> > >> > extract
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail
> capabilities.
> > >> But the
> > >> > >> > more
> > >> > >> > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone
> needs
> > >> to
> > >> > >> went
> > >> > >> > > > through
> > >> > >> > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
> > >> Looks
> > >> > >> like
> > >> > >> > > > > everyone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
> > >> this is
> > >> > >> all
> > >> > >> > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> > this
> > >> is
> > >> > >> > likely to
> > >> > >> > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
> > >> creates
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> > > > ticket,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > most
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> > >> discussed
> > >> > >> > issue, or
> > >> > >> > > > > so.
> > >> > >> > > > > > In
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> > >> interested
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > > manual
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in
> "Ticket
> > >> > >> created"
> > >> > >> > > > > messages.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
> > >> Let's
> > >> > >> > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> > >> should be
> > >> > >> > done to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
> > >> 6:49 PM
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> > >> digest, is
> > >> > >> > probably
> > >> > >> > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to
> digest.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > >> 18:28,
> > >> > >> Petr
> > >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> > >> > >> > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > united in
> > >> > >> > > > > > some
> > >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> > >> special
> > >> > >> filter
> > >> > >> > > > (new
> > >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> > >> scheme?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
> > >> 18:15,
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention
> I
> > >> > >> disagree
> > >> > >> > to
> > >> > >> > > > > remove
> > >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
> > >> > >> understand
> > >> > >> > what
> > >> > >> > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> > always
> > >> can
> > >> > >> > comment
> > >> > >> > > > if
> > >> > >> > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue,
> > and
> > >> you
> > >> > >> may
> > >> > >> > > > > suggest
> > >> > >> > > > > > > help.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification
> is
> > >> more or
> > >> > >> > less
> > >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR),
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
> > >> Git's
> > >> > >> > messages
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > б>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should
> keep
> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > test
> > >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> > г. в
> > >> > >> 17:49,
> > >> > >> > > > Alexey
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter
> for
> > >> e-mail
> > >> > >> > from
> > >> > >> > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > (very
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
> > >> visiting
> > >> > >> > JIRA).
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
> > >> deleting
> > >> > >> tons
> > >> > >> > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know
> what
> > >> for we
> > >> > >> > need
> > >> > >> > > > > them?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try to
> > >> move
> > >> > >> > GitBox &
> > >> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > --
> > >> > >> > Best regards,
> > >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Ok, Denis, Thank you for sharing your vision.

BTW, we have now separate list for archiving all JIRA actions here
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?issues@ignite.apache.org I didn't know
about it before yesterday. This probably proves that newcomers will ignore
a separate list.

пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 02:32, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>:

> -1 for this action.
>
> JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
> across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
> has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve and
> fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
> won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
> century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.
>
> --
> Denis
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
> > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> > using the list.
> >
> > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list.
> Please
> > share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or
> we
> > should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Please start a vote according to
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from
> > the
> > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> > >
> > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> > messages,
> > >> it
> > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> > list,
> > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> > >> >
> > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> > >> creation
> > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> > >> >
> > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of
> course.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> >:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Dmitriy,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to
> JIRA,
> > >> create
> > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often
> > you
> > >> want
> > >> > >> to receive these emails.
> > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> > emails
> > >> from
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> bot.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> > track
> > >> new
> > >> > >> tickets,
> > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why
> we
> > >> need
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Denis
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vololo100@gmail.com
> >:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned
> types
> > >> on
> > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> > >> > >> > TC bot +
> > >> > >> > Jira -
> > >> > >> > GitHub -
> > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov@apache.org
> > >:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> > >> importance
> > >> > >> is
> > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it
> is
> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you.
> So I
> > >> can
> > >> > >> only
> > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need
> action.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or
> > she
> > >> may
> > >> > >> > think
> > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> > contributors
> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to
> switch
> > >> it
> > >> > >> off.
> > >> > >> > We
> > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> > >> human-human
> > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> > (especially,
> > >> > >> PMCs),
> > >> > >> > so
> > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive
> tendency
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> > >> step. Only
> > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is
> the
> > >> only
> > >> > >> > goal.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not
> classify
> > >> emails
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > be
> > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to
> other
> > >> > >> classes: a
> > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> > JIRA
> > >> issue
> > >> > >> > > > created
> > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
> > >> review,
> > >> > >> > etc, you
> > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point
> to
> > >> > >> > duplicate.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@
> > .-
> > >> PR
> > >> > >> > creation
> > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we
> will
> > >> see
> > >> > >> > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> > >> discuss
> > >> > >> Open
> > >> > >> > ->
> > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> > >> Hopefully, it
> > >> > >> > will not
> > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
> > >> count to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write
> here
> > >> at
> > >> > >> all,
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> > >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> > >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> > >> interesting.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
> > >> > >> community
> > >> > >> > > > > > developers
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to
> > this
> > >> > >> > discussion.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> > >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list.
> As
> > >> for
> > >> > >> > JIRA, not
> > >> > >> > > > > > sure
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up
> > all
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> > Otherwise,
> > >> some
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > us
> > >> > >> > > > > might
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> > >> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > when
> > >> > >> > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov
> <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> > >> member"
> > >> > >> as a
> > >> > >> > > > guide
> > >> > >> > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> > point
> > >> in
> > >> > >> time
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > > were
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
> > >> nothing
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> > Incubator
> > >> > >> member
> > >> > >> > are
> > >> > >> > > > asf
> > >> > >> > > > > > > members
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at
> the
> > >> list
> > >> > >> > started
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not
> convince
> > >> me its
> > >> > >> > is not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> not
> > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> > >> duplicate
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > > > jira,
> > >> > >> > > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward
> > all
> > >> > >> > comments and
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> > will
> > >> > >> confirm
> > >> > >> > it
> > >> > >> > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues
> on
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list
> > >> > >> > we
> > >> > >> > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> but
> > >> > >> > for
> > >> > >> > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to
> the
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel
> Tupitsyn
> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> > tickets
> > >> are
> > >> > >> very
> > >> > >> > > > > useful.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> > >> automated
> > >> > >> > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> > emails
> > >> > >> > completely,
> > >> > >> > > > > but
> > >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM
> Vladimir
> > >> Ozerov
> > >> > >> <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
> > >> generated
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
> > >> > >> obviously
> > >> > >> > have
> > >> > >> > > > > too
> > >> > >> > > > > > > much
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is
> bad.
> > >> But
> > >> > >> > whether
> > >> > >> > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is
> > not
> > >> > >> > important at
> > >> > >> > > > > > all,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> > >> channel.
> > >> > >> And
> > >> > >> > as
> > >> > >> > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns
> > of
> > >> our
> > >> > >> > mentors
> > >> > >> > > > > > during
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little
> > real
> > >> > >> > > > > communications.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where
> we
> > >> are.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
> > >> how PMCs
> > >> > >> > treat
> > >> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > >> > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with
> that
> > >> > >> problem,
> > >> > >> > one
> > >> > >> > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then
> I,
> > >> > >> another
> > >> > >> > PMC,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> > third
> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> who
> > >> > >> > > > also
> > >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> > filter
> > >> in
> > >> > >> > GMail.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
> > >> many
> > >> > >> PMC,
> > >> > >> > who
> > >> > >> > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and
> follow
> > >> a lot
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> > >> inboxes in
> > >> > >> > order
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > well
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If
> Ignite
> > >> > >> veterans
> > >> > >> > do
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > find
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
> > >> else can
> > >> > >> > > > benefit
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
> > >> > >> Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up
> a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them
> do
> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
> > >> write to
> > >> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > > > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write
> to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write
> > to
> > >> dev
> > >> > >> > list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
> > >> replace
> > >> > >> any
> > >> > >> > of
> > >> > >> > > > > these
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> > >> message
> > >> > >> from
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > bot.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
> > >> tickets
> > >> > >> > should
> > >> > >> > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending
> messages
> > >> to
> > >> > >> > everyone.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50,
> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up
> a
> > >> filter.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
> > >> done by
> > >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions
> are
> > >> made
> > >> > >> off
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
> > >> really
> > >> > >> signs
> > >> > >> > > > poor
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
> > >> with
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> > >> development. If
> > >> > >> we
> > >> > >> > > > don't
> > >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30,
> Denis
> > >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly
> > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> > >> development
> > >> > >> > process.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't
> care
> > >> about
> > >> > >> it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
> > >> open for
> > >> > >> > > > everyone,
> > >> > >> > > > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
> > >> mailing
> > >> > >> > list for
> > >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy
> to
> > >> search
> > >> > >> > > > through,
> > >> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the
> dev
> > >> list,
> > >> > >> then
> > >> > >> > > > only
> > >> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
> > >> filters
> > >> > >> > will see
> > >> > >> > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because
> > it
> > >> will
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> > > > lost
> > >> > >> > > > > > > among
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> > receiving
> > >> the
> > >> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or
> even
> > >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
> > >> there. It
> > >> > >> > would
> > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
> > >> > >> > corresponding
> > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
> > >> out all
> > >> > >> > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
> > >> that bots
> > >> > >> > may
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots
> only
> > >> grows
> > >> > >> > with
> > >> > >> > > > > time,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
> > >> messages
> > >> > >> > will
> > >> > >> > > > > spill
> > >> > >> > > > > > > into
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> > >> > openness
> > >> > >> > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors
> pay
> > >> > >> attention
> > >> > >> > to
> > >> > >> > > > run
> > >> > >> > > > > > > their
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly
> manner:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> > >> features, and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the
> > way
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >>
> > >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA
> from
> > >> the
> > >> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> > only
> > >> way
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > keep
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
> > >> list.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that
> all
> > >> > >> > contributors
> > >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be
> removed.
> > >> Now it
> > >> > >> > can't.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
> > >> removing
> > >> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
> > >> Denis
> > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> > automatically
> > >> > >> > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> > >> important
> > >> > >> > ones).
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> > here:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
> > >> Nabble
> > >> > >> > portal an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human
> communication.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search
> for
> > >> old
> > >> > >> > > > discussions,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> > >> messages pop
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > search
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person
> configure
> > >> email
> > >> > >> > filters
> > >> > >> > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> > >> human-hours
> > >> > >> has
> > >> > >> > been
> > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> > >> others,
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > make
> > >> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 13:20,
> > >> > >> Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> > >> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a
> formal
> > >> vote
> > >> > >> on
> > >> > >> > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> > separate
> > >> list
> > >> > >> for
> > >> > >> > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > 16:08,
> > >> > >> > Vladimir
> > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set
> the
> > >> > >> filter"
> > >> > >> > is
> > >> > >> > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> > >> technically.
> > >> > >> E.g.
> > >> > >> > I use
> > >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> > >> cannot
> > >> > >> > extract
> > >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail
> capabilities.
> > >> But the
> > >> > >> > more
> > >> > >> > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone
> needs
> > >> to
> > >> > >> went
> > >> > >> > > > through
> > >> > >> > > > > > > that
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
> > >> Looks
> > >> > >> like
> > >> > >> > > > > everyone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
> > >> this is
> > >> > >> all
> > >> > >> > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> > this
> > >> is
> > >> > >> > likely to
> > >> > >> > > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
> > >> creates
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> > > > ticket,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > most
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> > >> discussed
> > >> > >> > issue, or
> > >> > >> > > > > so.
> > >> > >> > > > > > In
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> > >> interested
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >> > > > manual
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in
> "Ticket
> > >> > >> created"
> > >> > >> > > > > messages.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
> > >> Let's
> > >> > >> > continue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> > >> should be
> > >> > >> > done to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
> > >> 6:49 PM
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> > >> digest, is
> > >> > >> > probably
> > >> > >> > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to
> digest.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
> > >> 18:28,
> > >> > >> Petr
> > >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> > >> > >> > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> > >> notifications
> > >> > >> > united in
> > >> > >> > > > > > some
> > >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> > >> special
> > >> > >> filter
> > >> > >> > > > (new
> > >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> > >> scheme?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
> > >> 18:15,
> > >> > >> > Dmitriy
> > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention
> I
> > >> > >> disagree
> > >> > >> > to
> > >> > >> > > > > remove
> > >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
> > >> > >> understand
> > >> > >> > what
> > >> > >> > > > > > other
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> > always
> > >> can
> > >> > >> > comment
> > >> > >> > > > if
> > >> > >> > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > is
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue,
> > and
> > >> you
> > >> > >> may
> > >> > >> > > > > suggest
> > >> > >> > > > > > > help.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification
> is
> > >> more or
> > >> > >> > less
> > >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR),
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
> > >> Git's
> > >> > >> > messages
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > б>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should
> keep
> > >> JIRA
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > test
> > >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> > г. в
> > >> > >> 17:49,
> > >> > >> > > > Alexey
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter
> for
> > >> e-mail
> > >> > >> > from
> > >> > >> > > > JIRA
> > >> > >> > > > > > > (very
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
> > >> visiting
> > >> > >> > JIRA).
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
> > >> deleting
> > >> > >> tons
> > >> > >> > of
> > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > from
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know
> what
> > >> for we
> > >> > >> > need
> > >> > >> > > > > them?
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try to
> > >> move
> > >> > >> > GitBox &
> > >> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

-1 for this action.

JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came
across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community
has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve and
fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people
won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI
century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting.

--
Denis


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Igniters,
>
> After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very subjective)
> feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is
> definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets
> using the list.
>
> I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list. Please
> share your vision on this topic. Should it be jira@ignite.apache.org or we
> should reuse notifications@ignite.apache.org
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>
> > Please start a vote according to
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC.
> >
> > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications from
> the
> > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if someone
> > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub
> > redirection, but I will not drive this topic.
> >
> > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it.
> >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >> >
> >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove
> messages,
> >> it
> >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional
> list,
> >> > e.g. notifications@ for this.
> >> >
> >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list
> >> creation
> >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list.
> >> >
> >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >> >
> >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their
> >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course.
> >> > >
> >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results.
> >> > >
> >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <
> dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Dmitriy,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA,
> >> create
> >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets
> >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of
> >> filters
> >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can
> >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often
> you
> >> want
> >> > >> to receive these emails.
> >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering
> emails
> >> from
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> bot.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to
> track
> >> new
> >> > >> tickets,
> >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we
> >> need
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Denis
> >> > >>
> >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vo...@gmail.com>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types
> >> on
> >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list):
> >> > >> > TC bot +
> >> > >> > Jira -
> >> > >> > GitHub -
> >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org
> >:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that
> >> importance
> >> > >> is
> >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is
> >> not
> >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I
> >> can
> >> > >> only
> >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or
> she
> >> may
> >> > >> > think
> >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of
> contributors
> >> who
> >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch
> >> it
> >> > >> off.
> >> > >> > We
> >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of
> >> human-human
> >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans
> (especially,
> >> > >> PMCs),
> >> > >> > so
> >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency
> >> in
> >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second
> >> step. Only
> >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the
> >> only
> >> > >> > goal.
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify
> >> emails
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > be
> >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other
> >> > >> classes: a
> >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by
> JIRA
> >> issue
> >> > >> > > > created
> >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments,
> >> review,
> >> > >> > etc, you
> >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to
> >> > >> > duplicate.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm,
> >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@
> .-
> >> PR
> >> > >> > creation
> >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone.
> >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will
> >> see
> >> > >> > > > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can
> >> discuss
> >> > >> Open
> >> > >> > ->
> >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed.
> >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected.
> >> Hopefully, it
> >> > >> > will not
> >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message
> >> count to
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here
> >> at
> >> > >> all,
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection?
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin <
> >> > >> > sergi.vladykin@gmail.com>:
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff.
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > Sergi
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <
> >> > >> vololo100@gmail.com>:
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg,
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite
> >> interesting.
> >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > >> dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg,
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering
> >> > >> community
> >> > >> > > > > > developers
> >> > >> > > > > > > > once again.
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to
> this
> >> > >> > discussion.
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <
> >> > >> dmagda@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As
> >> for
> >> > >> > JIRA, not
> >> > >> > > > > > sure
> >> > >> > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up
> all
> >> the
> >> > >> > filters
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > spread
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders.
> Otherwise,
> >> some
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> > us
> >> > >> > > > > might
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss
> >> > >> notifications
> >> > >> > when
> >> > >> > > > > > their
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF
> >> member"
> >> > >> as a
> >> > >> > > > guide
> >> > >> > > > > > for
> >> > >> > > > > > > us.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > We
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some
> point
> >> in
> >> > >> time
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > > were
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has
> >> nothing
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > do
> >> > >> > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to?
> Incubator
> >> > >> member
> >> > >> > are
> >> > >> > > > asf
> >> > >> > > > > > > members
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the
> >> list
> >> > >> > started
> >> > >> > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > Jira
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince
> >> me its
> >> > >> > is not
> >> > >> > > > > > > useful to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> >> > >> > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new
> tickets
> >> are
> >> > >> not
> >> > >> > > > > > forwarded?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is
> >> duplicate
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > > > jira,
> >> > >> > > > > > but
> >> > >> > > > > > > jira
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward
> all
> >> > >> > comments and
> >> > >> > > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member
> will
> >> > >> confirm
> >> > >> > it
> >> > >> > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on
> >> the
> >> > >> list
> >> > >> > we
> >> > >> > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > continue
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for
> >> veterans
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> > for
> >> > >> > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the
> >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn
> <
> >> > >> > > > > > > ptupitsyn@apache.org>:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA
> tickets
> >> are
> >> > >> very
> >> > >> > > > > useful.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all
> >> automated
> >> > >> > emails.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated
> emails
> >> > >> > completely,
> >> > >> > > > > but
> >> > >> > > > > > > dev
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir
> >> Ozerov
> >> > >> <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of
> >> generated
> >> > >> > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we
> >> > >> obviously
> >> > >> > have
> >> > >> > > > > too
> >> > >> > > > > > > much
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad.
> >> But
> >> > >> > whether
> >> > >> > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is
> not
> >> > >> > important at
> >> > >> > > > > > all,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA
> >> channel.
> >> > >> And
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > > > far
> >> > >> > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns
> of
> >> our
> >> > >> > mentors
> >> > >> > > > > > during
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little
> real
> >> > >> > > > > communications.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we
> >> are.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is
> >> how PMCs
> >> > >> > treat
> >> > >> > > > > all
> >> > >> > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that
> >> > >> problem,
> >> > >> > one
> >> > >> > > > > PMC
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I,
> >> > >> another
> >> > >> > PMC,
> >> > >> > > > > > > answered -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally,
> third
> >> PMC,
> >> > >> who
> >> > >> > > > also
> >> > >> > > > > > > filters
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper
> filter
> >> in
> >> > >> > GMail.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so
> >> many
> >> > >> PMC,
> >> > >> > who
> >> > >> > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow
> >> a lot
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> > > > > > > activities,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > find
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their
> >> inboxes in
> >> > >> > order
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > ...
> >> > >> > > > > > > well
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ...
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite
> >> > >> veterans
> >> > >> > do
> >> > >> > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > find
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who
> >> else can
> >> > >> > > > benefit
> >> > >> > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > them.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis
> >> > >> Mekhanikov
> >> > >> > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> >> filter.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do
> >> it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something –
> >> write to
> >> > >> dev
> >> > >> > > > list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to
> >> dev
> >> > >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write
> to
> >> dev
> >> > >> > list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can
> >> replace
> >> > >> any
> >> > >> > of
> >> > >> > > > > these
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > points.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a
> >> message
> >> > >> from
> >> > >> > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > bot.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA
> >> tickets
> >> > >> > should
> >> > >> > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages
> >> to
> >> > >> > everyone.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy
> >> > >> Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a
> >> filter.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be
> >> done by
> >> > >> > > > > > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are
> >> made
> >> > >> off
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > just
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it
> >> really
> >> > >> signs
> >> > >> > > > poor
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > community
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight
> >> with
> >> > >> JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > it is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list
> >> development. If
> >> > >> we
> >> > >> > > > don't
> >> > >> > > > > > > have it,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis
> >> > >> > Mekhanikov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly
> and
> >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required
> >> development
> >> > >> > process.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care
> >> about
> >> > >> it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are
> >> open for
> >> > >> > > > everyone,
> >> > >> > > > > > so
> >> > >> > > > > > > no
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate
> >> mailing
> >> > >> > list for
> >> > >> > > > > > bots.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to
> >> search
> >> > >> > > > through,
> >> > >> > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev
> >> list,
> >> > >> then
> >> > >> > > > only
> >> > >> > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > once,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email
> >> filters
> >> > >> > will see
> >> > >> > > > > it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because
> it
> >> will
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> > > > lost
> >> > >> > > > > > > among
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in
> receiving
> >> the
> >> > >> JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even
> >> > >> > ignite-jira)
> >> > >> > > > > > > mailing
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens
> >> there. It
> >> > >> > would
> >> > >> > > > > > > simplify
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the
> >> > >> > corresponding
> >> > >> > > > > > > recipient.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter
> >> out all
> >> > >> > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics,
> >> that bots
> >> > >> > may
> >> > >> > > > > > > generate.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only
> >> grows
> >> > >> > with
> >> > >> > > > > time,
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise
> >> messages
> >> > >> > will
> >> > >> > > > > spill
> >> > >> > > > > > > into
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58,
> >> Dmitriy
> >> > >> > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision
> is
> >> the
> >> > >> > openness
> >> > >> > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay
> >> > >> attention
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > > > run
> >> > >> > > > > > > their
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important
> >> features, and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the
> way
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >>
> >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from
> >> the
> >> > >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an
> only
> >> way
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > keep
> >> > >> > > > > > Ignite
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev.
> >> list.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all
> >> > >> > contributors
> >> > >> > > > > > > announce
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed.
> >> Now it
> >> > >> > can't.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by
> >> removing
> >> > >> > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34,
> >> Denis
> >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov
> >> > >> > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhanikov@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving
> automatically
> >> > >> > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most
> >> important
> >> > >> > ones).
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it
> here:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >>
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the
> >> Nabble
> >> > >> > portal an
> >> > >> > > > > > > absolute
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for
> >> old
> >> > >> > > > discussions,
> >> > >> > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit
> >> messages pop
> >> > >> in
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > > > > > search
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure
> >> email
> >> > >> > filters
> >> > >> > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many
> >> human-hours
> >> > >> has
> >> > >> > been
> >> > >> > > > > > > spent on
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of
> >> others,
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> > make
> >> > >> > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20,
> >> > >> Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > Pavlov
> >> > >> > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal
> >> vote
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> > this
> >> > >> > > > > > > change,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a
> separate
> >> list
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в
> 16:08,
> >> > >> > Vladimir
> >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the
> >> > >> filter"
> >> > >> > is
> >> > >> > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible
> >> technically.
> >> > >> E.g.
> >> > >> > I use
> >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I
> >> cannot
> >> > >> > extract
> >> > >> > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities.
> >> But the
> >> > >> > more
> >> > >> > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs
> >> to
> >> > >> went
> >> > >> > > > through
> >> > >> > > > > > > that
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam.
> >> Looks
> >> > >> like
> >> > >> > > > > everyone
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation -
> >> this is
> >> > >> all
> >> > >> > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist,
> this
> >> is
> >> > >> > likely to
> >> > >> > > > > be
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone
> >> creates
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > > > ticket,
> >> > >> > > > > > > most
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already
> >> discussed
> >> > >> > issue, or
> >> > >> > > > > so.
> >> > >> > > > > > In
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > other
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words -
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be
> >> interested
> >> > >> in
> >> > >> > > > manual
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in "Ticket
> >> > >> created"
> >> > >> > > > > messages.
> >> > >> > > > > > > Not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important.
> >> Let's
> >> > >> > continue
> >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what
> >> should be
> >> > >> > done to
> >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at
> >> 6:49 PM
> >> > >> > Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual
> >> digest, is
> >> > >> > probably
> >> > >> > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to digest.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в
> >> 18:28,
> >> > >> Petr
> >> > >> > > > > Ivanov
> >> > >> > > > > > <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.weider@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira
> >> notifications
> >> > >> > united in
> >> > >> > > > > > some
> >> > >> > > > > > > kind
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add
> >> special
> >> > >> filter
> >> > >> > > > (new
> >> > >> > > > > > > tasks /
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last
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> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours)
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification
> >> scheme?
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> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at
> >> 18:15,
> >> > >> > Dmitriy
> >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should mention I
> >> > >> disagree
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > > > > remove
> >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone to
> >> > >> understand
> >> > >> > what
> >> > >> > > > > > other
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.  You
> always
> >> can
> >> > >> > comment
> >> > >> > > > if
> >> > >> > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > is
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > not
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach,
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate issue,
> and
> >> you
> >> > >> may
> >> > >> > > > > suggest
> >> > >> > > > > > > help.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification is
> >> more or
> >> > >> > less
> >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..*
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR),
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to move
> >> Git's
> >> > >> > messages
> >> > >> > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> >> > >> > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> >> > >> > > > б>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should keep
> >> JIRA
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> > test
> >> > >> > > > > > > failures.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018
> г. в
> >> > >> 17:49,
> >> > >> > > > Alexey
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov <
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi!
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter for
> >> e-mail
> >> > >> > from
> >> > >> > > > JIRA
> >> > >> > > > > > > (very
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without
> >> visiting
> >> > >> > JIRA).
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just
> >> deleting
> >> > >> tons
> >> > >> > of
> >> > >> > > > > > e-mails
> >> > >> > > > > > > from
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs.
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know what
> >> for we
> >> > >> > need
> >> > >> > > > > them?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> May by we try to
> >> move
> >> > >> > GitBox &
> >> > >> > > > > > > PRs-related
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mails
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes?
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
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> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > > > --
> >> > >> > > > > > > Best regards,
> >> > >> > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >> > >> > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Best regards,
> >> > >> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>
> >>
>