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Posted to dev@royale.apache.org by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> on 2019/02/20 21:42:47 UTC

Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Hi,

just want to share our recent experience migrating an Apache Flex
application to Apache Royale.
So I post a thread of 17 tweets here:

https://twitter.com/carlosrovira/status/1098333642751950848

Hope the info will be useful :)

Enjoy and don't forget to share if that was useful for you! :)

-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira

Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

Hi,

you can use SectionContent as Main tag.
ExampleAndSourceCodeTabbedSectionContent is a component developed for TDJ
to show 2 tabs, one for examples and other for the code in GitHub, so folks
can browse the code easily.

sourceCodeUrl is used to point to that file in GitHub

Right now studying TDJ code is the best way to know how to work with Jewel,
just notice that Jewel is still in development and some of the pieces are
stable while others need more work or rethink at some degree. For the later
I expect to have most of the paths stable in the next 3-4 months, but
hopefully your could adapt to the changes as I do it. I recommend you to
stick with development branches (compiler, typedefs and asjs) and run full
builds each day. We already shared scripts that build with maven the three
repos and build the SDK for that day with ANT. The scripts are for Windows
and Mac.

You're invited to join us on dev and provided patches and contribute vía
Pull request too. And be a committer eventually if you get a good knowledge
of Royale, and provide good contributions, and you're interested of course

Good luck! :)

Carlos




El vie., 22 feb. 2019 a las 7:06, T-san (<jl...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Carols,
>
> Thanks for your further advice.
>
> <c:ExampleAndSourceCodeTabbedSectionContent
> xmlns:fx="http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009"
>     xmlns:j="library://ns.apache.org/royale/jewel"
>     xmlns:html="library://ns.apache.org/royale/html"
>     xmlns:js="library://ns.apache.org/royale/basic"
>     xmlns:models="models.*"
>     xmlns:c="components.*" "sourceCodeUrl=??????.mxml">
>
> I did not include 5th line; including it makes the build success.
>
> I'm studying how to build a specific mxml without using the TourDeJewel's
> project structure.
>
> T-San
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com/
>


-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira

Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Posted by T-san <jl...@gmail.com>.

Carols,

Thanks for your further advice.

<c:ExampleAndSourceCodeTabbedSectionContent
xmlns:fx="http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009" 
    xmlns:j="library://ns.apache.org/royale/jewel" 
    xmlns:html="library://ns.apache.org/royale/html" 
    xmlns:js="library://ns.apache.org/royale/basic" 
    xmlns:models="models.*"
    xmlns:c="components.*" "sourceCodeUrl=??????.mxml">

I did not include 5th line; including it makes the build success.

I'm studying how to build a specific mxml without using the TourDeJewel's
project structure.

T-San 



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Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

El jue., 21 feb. 2019 a las 13:46, T-san (<jl...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Carlos,
>
> Thanks for your advice and work.
>
> Let me clarify several things.
>
> 1. Do I need to convert mx coding to Jewel?
>

To get a look and feel similar to the one showed in Tour de Jewel yes.
Other ready look is MDL library (material design look and feel). MX /Spark
are not skinned yet.


> 2. If so, is there any useful information on how to do that?
>

No. Most of the components names are the same (Button, TextInput, ComboBox,
CheckBox,...)
properties too, but with some differences, for example Button doesn't have
"label" you must use "text". Most of the uses are in the TDJ project


> 3. Is there user guide available for Jewel?  Or I have to read the Jewel
> source to study?
>

Still not much docs, mostly the second and this:

https://royale.apache.org/category/royale-examples/


>
> And if you have a time, would you make your sample code complete for build?
>

The code I shared is complete and build. I tried before send. You must
choose one of the mxml files (i.e: AlertPlayGround.mxml)
remove the code inside the main tag and copy the one here. Then build TDJ
as you did before with maven. When go to Alert you could be this initial
layout (remember that is just that...initial)


> I'd also need to know how to build it since at this moment I do not know
> how
> to create pom.xml.
>

I think you can follow the pom.xml in TDJ. Apache Royale was deigned with
maven in mind (not like Apache Flex where maven is not native to the
project)
So you can get all knowledge on how to do things from the royale poms

Carlos


>
> T-san
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com/
>


-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira

Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

Hi Piotr.

you're right, I was thinking in some of the examples in mxroyale examples
that are already setup for maven, so thought there was other one in that
folder that was not already setup for maven, so that change is easy. Since
we're talking about TDF, just another thing.

Maybe he just can copy paste one of those examples (the MX for example that
works with maven), and then fill it with the code he wants to try.

El dom., 24 feb. 2019 a las 13:09, Piotr Zarzycki (<
piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Carlos,
>
> I don't think it is an easy as is in case of torudeflex migration. It
> contains module build etc.
>
> Takeshita,
>
> I believe it's enough to type "ant" in cmd console in folder which
> contains build.xml.
>
> Piotr
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Takeshita,
>>
>> if maven is not working for that example because no body used it with
>> maven before, you're invited to fix the pom.xml file and submit a Pull
>> Request to us, so we can try and incorporate your fix. I think it should be
>> easy for you based on other pomx already working, and will both, help the
>> project, and make you learn more about Royale. In that way the help is two
>> way not only one.
>>
>> El dom., 24 feb. 2019 a las 12:43, Takeshita Shoichiro (<
>> jl03119@gmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> Piotr, thanks.
>>>
>>> Could show me the entire Ant command to be used?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> S. Takeshita
>>>
>>> 2019年2月24日(日) 20:39 Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure whether Maven build working for that example. Ant for
>>>> sure.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Piotr
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 11:29 AM Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to build tourdeflexmodules (incl.
>>>>> AdvancedDataGridExample.mxml) but seemed fail.  (no result)
>>>>>
>>>>> Under the following directory, I ran mvn clean install.
>>>>>
>>>>> \royale-asjs\royale-asjs\examples\mxroyale
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I use the wrong procedure?
>>>>>
>>>>> Appreciate your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Takeshita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:33 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> First, lower your expectations 😉
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, make a copy of your code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And read this:
>>>>>> https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/create-an-application/migrate-an-existing-app/migrate-from-flex.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck.  I’m about to stop work for today as I am on the road in
>>>>>> the middle of the US.  I’ll be back on the west coast of the US in about 24
>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:22 PM
>>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex, got it. Cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to try conversion of our mxml using this emulation
>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To do that, how I can?  Appreciate your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, S. Takeshita
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:09 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Takeshita-san,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For these examples, I also think the Royale version loads faster.  It
>>>>>> makes some sense, especially from a clean cache, as the browser has to load
>>>>>> the player (essentially, downloading and starting an application), then
>>>>>> load and parse the SWF, then run it.  The browser running a Royale app has
>>>>>> to load a pile of JS and CSS files, but the browsers have been optimizing
>>>>>> that over the past years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To see the Advanced DataGrid in the Royale migration of Tour De Flex,
>>>>>> first click on “MX Framework” then “Data Visualization”, then
>>>>>> “AdvancedDataGrid” and then on the “AdvancedDataGrid” that appears as a
>>>>>> child of the first one.  It should show an AdvancedDataGrid with a
>>>>>> GroupingCollection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:04 PM
>>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex, thanks for the link information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand Flash version takes more time for loading SWF than new
>>>>>> Apache Royale.  Is my observation correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems what I'm looking for is the Advanced Data Grid.  It seems
>>>>>> not implemented in Royale yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But anyway, the progress seems to be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T-san
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:28 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The examples using emulation components are in examples/mxroyale.
>>>>>> The most sophisticated example is a migration of a subset of Tour De Flex.
>>>>>> It is still a work in progress.  The most current version is here:
>>>>>> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/TourDeFlexMigration/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/examples/mxroyale/tourdeflexmodules/bin/js-debug/index.html
>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com%3A8080%2Fjob%2FTourDeFlexMigration%2FlastSuccessfulBuild%2Fartifact%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale%2Ftourdeflexmodules%2Fbin%2Fjs-debug%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431711200&sdata=A%2Bs7irlTqywxDo%2B6eFqYwCs2e2LBfNrwCscy%2FzANmTs%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Flex version it is based on is here:
>>>>>> http://flex.apache.org/tourdeflex/index.html
>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflex.apache.org%2Ftourdeflex%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431721209&sdata=vZPNDZoUVWVjbSo51ZOYKK%2FjQGSnd4d8J%2B0xGzJ3wHQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The repos do not contain any serious example of migrating Flex to
>>>>>> Basic   The focus of Basic was more about code size and performance than
>>>>>> ease of migration.  We did migrate the FlexStore example.  It is in
>>>>>> examples/royale/RoyaleStore.  The source it is based on is here:
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/flex-examples/tree/develop/FlexStore
>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fflex-examples%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2FFlexStore&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431721209&sdata=s14CKIoJfuSWpEekI7KcyHWm5Dm3sSXkLDziloEmPcI%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>> There aren’t any examples running on a server at the moment.  Still, Harbs
>>>>>> ported his app to Basic and he can tell you more about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:01 PM
>>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot for providing me a set of choices to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need some time to decide after doing some benchmark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interested in modern UI that may make users happy.  And also need
>>>>>> to think about minimizing the migration effort to save time and money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where can I find the more detailed information for (1) Basic set
>>>>>> migration examples and (2) migration with emulation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best rega
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 3:00 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi T-San,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no single perfect migration strategy for Royale.  You will
>>>>>> have to choose a path.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One way to think about migration is that there is your starting
>>>>>> point, some amount of work, and an ending point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos just finished taking a bunch of MXML and AS, rewrote most of
>>>>>> the MXML, modified about 30% of the AS, and used the Jewel component set to
>>>>>> end up with an app with a very nice looking UI with modern UI components.
>>>>>> If you want a cool new UI because it is time to modernize and older Flex
>>>>>> UI, then Jewel is a good choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A while ago, Harbs took a bunch of MXML and AS, rewrote most of the
>>>>>> MXML, not sure about how much of the AS he changed, but he used Basic set
>>>>>> and created a smaller faster application, but I don't think it has as many
>>>>>> new UI components.   If you have concerns about size and performance and
>>>>>> can spend a bit more time rewriting more code and customizing your UI, then
>>>>>> using Basic is a good choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple of folks that I know of are trying to use the Emulation
>>>>>> set.  The goal of the emulation set is to minimize the amount of changes to
>>>>>> your MXML and AS.  A fair amount of Tour De Flex has been migrated using
>>>>>> the Emulation components.  There is still work to be done, but there were
>>>>>> very few changes to the MXML and AS.  All of the changes are in the
>>>>>> emulation components.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, the emulation components are the charitable way of helping the
>>>>>> rest of the folks migrating Flex apps who don't have the time or need for a
>>>>>> modernized UI and aren't too concerned about performance.  Because, if you
>>>>>> use the emulation set and it doesn't run or look correct, then the fix is
>>>>>> to change the code in the emulation compoents and then every other user of
>>>>>> those components benefits from that change.  If you choose one of the other
>>>>>> options and change your code, then only you benefit from that change.  I
>>>>>> wish I could convince more of the other Royale committers to help with the
>>>>>> emulation components.  As the clock marches towards 2020, folks will have
>>>>>> less and less time to move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you choose to go with the emulation components (which has
>>>>>> AdvancedDataGrid working to some degree) then you are expected to try to
>>>>>> learn how to fix bugs in the emulation components yourself.  In reality,
>>>>>> this is true for Jewel and Basic as well, but is especially true for the
>>>>>> emulation components because there are a lot more code paths to maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, think about it, and pick one of the three strategies and let us
>>>>>> know what choice you make.  And feel free to ask more questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/21/19, 4:46 AM, "T-san" <jl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Carlos,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks for your advice and work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Let me clarify several things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     1. Do I need to convert mx coding to Jewel?
>>>>>>     2. If so, is there any useful information on how to do that?
>>>>>>     3. Is there user guide available for Jewel?  Or I have to read
>>>>>> the Jewel
>>>>>>     source to study?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And if you have a time, would you make your sample code complete
>>>>>> for build?
>>>>>>     I'd also need to know how to build it since at this moment I do
>>>>>> not know how
>>>>>>     to create pom.xml.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     T-san
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>     Sent from:
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C73bc5071226444dab0f508d697faa246%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636863500060250570&amp;sdata=NSR584KJpjT2fdd91uv%2BE3AwcAwwww8SdN3nA1LHgys%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431731214&sdata=OPnEmZ9rfhql9T1UKPOmaT1bXcWdQN9oEn6brUZtY4w%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>
>>

-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira

Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale (tweet thread)

Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.

Carlos,

I don't think it is an easy as is in case of torudeflex migration. It
contains module build etc.

Takeshita,

I believe it's enough to type "ant" in cmd console in folder which contains
build.xml.

Piotr


On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi Takeshita,
>
> if maven is not working for that example because no body used it with
> maven before, you're invited to fix the pom.xml file and submit a Pull
> Request to us, so we can try and incorporate your fix. I think it should be
> easy for you based on other pomx already working, and will both, help the
> project, and make you learn more about Royale. In that way the help is two
> way not only one.
>
> El dom., 24 feb. 2019 a las 12:43, Takeshita Shoichiro (<jl...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Piotr, thanks.
>>
>> Could show me the entire Ant command to be used?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> S. Takeshita
>>
>> 2019年2月24日(日) 20:39 Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I'm not sure whether Maven build working for that example. Ant for sure.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Piotr
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 11:29 AM Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>> I tried to build tourdeflexmodules (incl. AdvancedDataGridExample.mxml)
>>>> but seemed fail.  (no result)
>>>>
>>>> Under the following directory, I ran mvn clean install.
>>>>
>>>> \royale-asjs\royale-asjs\examples\mxroyale
>>>>
>>>> Did I use the wrong procedure?
>>>>
>>>> Appreciate your advice.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> S. Takeshita
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:33 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First, lower your expectations 😉
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, make a copy of your code.
>>>>>
>>>>> And read this:
>>>>> https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/create-an-application/migrate-an-existing-app/migrate-from-flex.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck.  I’m about to stop work for today as I am on the road in
>>>>> the middle of the US.  I’ll be back on the west coast of the US in about 24
>>>>> hours.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:22 PM
>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex, got it. Cool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to try conversion of our mxml using this emulation
>>>>> approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> To do that, how I can?  Appreciate your help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, S. Takeshita
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:09 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Takeshita-san,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For these examples, I also think the Royale version loads faster.  It
>>>>> makes some sense, especially from a clean cache, as the browser has to load
>>>>> the player (essentially, downloading and starting an application), then
>>>>> load and parse the SWF, then run it.  The browser running a Royale app has
>>>>> to load a pile of JS and CSS files, but the browsers have been optimizing
>>>>> that over the past years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To see the Advanced DataGrid in the Royale migration of Tour De Flex,
>>>>> first click on “MX Framework” then “Data Visualization”, then
>>>>> “AdvancedDataGrid” and then on the “AdvancedDataGrid” that appears as a
>>>>> child of the first one.  It should show an AdvancedDataGrid with a
>>>>> GroupingCollection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:04 PM
>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex, thanks for the link information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand Flash version takes more time for loading SWF than new
>>>>> Apache Royale.  Is my observation correct?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems what I'm looking for is the Advanced Data Grid.  It seems not
>>>>> implemented in Royale yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But anyway, the progress seems to be great.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> T-san
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:28 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The examples using emulation components are in examples/mxroyale.  The
>>>>> most sophisticated example is a migration of a subset of Tour De Flex.  It
>>>>> is still a work in progress.  The most current version is here:
>>>>> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/TourDeFlexMigration/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/examples/mxroyale/tourdeflexmodules/bin/js-debug/index.html
>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com%3A8080%2Fjob%2FTourDeFlexMigration%2FlastSuccessfulBuild%2Fartifact%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale%2Ftourdeflexmodules%2Fbin%2Fjs-debug%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431711200&sdata=A%2Bs7irlTqywxDo%2B6eFqYwCs2e2LBfNrwCscy%2FzANmTs%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Flex version it is based on is here:
>>>>> http://flex.apache.org/tourdeflex/index.html
>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflex.apache.org%2Ftourdeflex%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431721209&sdata=vZPNDZoUVWVjbSo51ZOYKK%2FjQGSnd4d8J%2B0xGzJ3wHQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The repos do not contain any serious example of migrating Flex to
>>>>> Basic   The focus of Basic was more about code size and performance than
>>>>> ease of migration.  We did migrate the FlexStore example.  It is in
>>>>> examples/royale/RoyaleStore.  The source it is based on is here:
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/flex-examples/tree/develop/FlexStore
>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fflex-examples%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2FFlexStore&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cceba9a30fdbc4c2ae9b708d699574358%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636864997431721209&sdata=s14CKIoJfuSWpEekI7KcyHWm5Dm3sSXkLDziloEmPcI%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>> There aren’t any examples running on a server at the moment.  Still, Harbs
>>>>> ported his app to Basic and he can tell you more about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Takeshita Shoichiro <jl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Date: *Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:01 PM
>>>>> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <us...@royale.apache.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Migrating an app from Apache Flex to Apache Royale
>>>>> (tweet thread)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot for providing me a set of choices to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need some time to decide after doing some benchmark.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in modern UI that may make users happy.  And also need
>>>>> to think about minimizing the migration effort to save time and money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where can I find the more detailed information for (1) Basic set
>>>>> migration examples and (2) migration with emulation?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best rega
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 3:00 PM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi T-San,
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no single perfect migration strategy for Royale.  You will
>>>>> have to choose a path.
>>>>>
>>>>> One way to think about migration is that there is your starting point,
>>>>> some amount of work, and an ending point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos just finished taking a bunch of MXML and AS, rewrote most of
>>>>> the MXML, modified about 30% of the AS, and used the Jewel component set to
>>>>> end up with an app with a very nice looking UI with modern UI components.
>>>>> If you want a cool new UI because it is time to modernize and older Flex
>>>>> UI, then Jewel is a good choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> A while ago, Harbs took a bunch of MXML and AS, rewrote most of the
>>>>> MXML, not sure about how much of the AS he changed, but he used Basic set
>>>>> and created a smaller faster application, but I don't think it has as many
>>>>> new UI components.   If you have concerns about size and performance and
>>>>> can spend a bit more time rewriting more code and customizing your UI, then
>>>>> using Basic is a good choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of folks that I know of are trying to use the Emulation set.
>>>>> The goal of the emulation set is to minimize the amount of changes to your
>>>>> MXML and AS.  A fair amount of Tour De Flex has been migrated using the
>>>>> Emulation components.  There is still work to be done, but there were very
>>>>> few changes to the MXML and AS.  All of the changes are in the emulation
>>>>> components.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the emulation components are the charitable way of helping the
>>>>> rest of the folks migrating Flex apps who don't have the time or need for a
>>>>> modernized UI and aren't too concerned about performance.  Because, if you
>>>>> use the emulation set and it doesn't run or look correct, then the fix is
>>>>> to change the code in the emulation compoents and then every other user of
>>>>> those components benefits from that change.  If you choose one of the other
>>>>> options and change your code, then only you benefit from that change.  I
>>>>> wish I could convince more of the other Royale committers to help with the
>>>>> emulation components.  As the clock marches towards 2020, folks will have
>>>>> less and less time to move.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you choose to go with the emulation components (which has
>>>>> AdvancedDataGrid working to some degree) then you are expected to try to
>>>>> learn how to fix bugs in the emulation components yourself.  In reality,
>>>>> this is true for Jewel and Basic as well, but is especially true for the
>>>>> emulation components because there are a lot more code paths to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, think about it, and pick one of the three strategies and let us
>>>>> know what choice you make.  And feel free to ask more questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/21/19, 4:46 AM, "T-san" <jl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks for your advice and work.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Let me clarify several things.
>>>>>
>>>>>     1. Do I need to convert mx coding to Jewel?
>>>>>     2. If so, is there any useful information on how to do that?
>>>>>     3. Is there user guide available for Jewel?  Or I have to read the
>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>     source to study?
>>>>>
>>>>>     And if you have a time, would you make your sample code complete
>>>>> for build?
>>>>>     I'd also need to know how to build it since at this moment I do
>>>>> not know how
>>>>>     to create pom.xml.
>>>>>
>>>>>     T-san
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>>>> 武下 祥一郎
>>>>
>>> --
>> Shoichiro Takeshita
>> 武下 祥一郎
>>
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