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[POLL] Committer attendence
Hi,
How many committers subscribe to this list?
[ ] I am a committer.
[ ] I am not a committer.
Cheers
Niclas
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:12, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> That would be really bad. Actually I've noticed
> just yesterday that the LICENCE.txt is not yet
> up-to-date!! Still old Apache 1.1 license!
>
> ...this needs to be addressed immediatly!
Which ASF project uses BCEL the heaviest??
I would recommend that it is moved there (wherever "there" is).
I also think the current situation is unacceptable.
Cheers
Niclas
> So it's a really good question:
> how many commiters are still around?
> cheers
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
[ ] I am a committer.
[x] I am not a committer.
> I suspect that just about everyone who ever worked on BCEL has strolled along
> and no longer hang around.
That would be really bad. Actually I've noticed
just yesterday that the LICENCE.txt is not yet
up-to-date!! Still old Apache 1.1 license!
...this needs to be addressed immediatly!
For the Cocoon javaflow we also need some
patches to be applied. Actually I need to
check whether they still apply...
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27646
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27854
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27855
...since they are in there for ages.
So it's a really good question:
how many commiters are still around?
cheers
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:23, dbrosius@qis.net wrote:
> [ ] I am a committer.
> [ ] I am not a committer.
> [x] I am a patch submitter, and would like to be a committer.
> (or at least be committed!)
I think the easiest would be to find any jakarta committer that you know well,
and persuade him/her to apply the patch.
And same for your own committership... Seek it elsewhere in jakarta. Currently
all jakarta committers has access to all jakarta projects.
Cheers
Niclas
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by db...@qis.net.
[ ] I am a committer.
[ ] I am not a committer.
[x] I am a patch submitter, and would like to be a committer.
(or at least be committed!)
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Monday 13 December 2004 22:59, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
[ ] I am a committer.
[x] I am not a committer.
I suspect that just about everyone who ever worked on BCEL has strolled along
and no longer hang around. I base this on the fact that the JDK1.5 had
received no attention at all.
Too bad.
Cheers
Niclas
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Chris <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Monday 13 December 2004 9:59 am, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
[ ] I am a committer.
[X] I am not a committer.
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Re: A BCEL future? Was: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 11:35, Henri Yandell wrote:
> To contradict Niclas, all Jakarta committers don't have access to all
> of Jakarta. It's delineated on sub-project basis, with only
> Commons-sandbox as far as I know being open (and even there you have
> to request access).
I stand corrected. There is a single Unix "jakarta" group, and I forgot about
the CVSROOT/avail system... :o(
Cheers
Niclas
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Re: A BCEL future? Was: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Adrian Sutton <ad...@intencha.com>.
> Or a response from a BCEL developer to indicate what BCEL offers that
> ASM lacks would be useful...
Going the other way, I found BCEL had a massive lack of documentation
that prevented me from using it. ASM wasn't good either but it was
definitely much easier to work out. There are chunks of BCEL that
don't even seem to have JavaDoc comments.
I'd have written some docs for it but never managed to get started.
Regards,
Adrian Sutton.
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Re: A BCEL future? Was: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Simon Kitching <s_...@paradise.net.nz>.
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 16:35, Henri Yandell wrote:
> BCEL has 6 committers at the moment. 3 are on the Jakarta PMC, but
> Markus Dahm and Enver Haase seem to be the main committers by a long
> way and are not; Markus has committed a couple of fixes last month,
> but that's it for 2004. Last website deploy was in 2003.
>
> 372 java files, depends on jakarta-regexp, though only for one class.
> Otherwise it's nicely stand-alone. My vague understanding of BCEL is
> that ObjectWeb's ASM is in more use nowadays, but vague is the correct
> term for me there :)
I investigated BCEL and ASM when starting work on CLIRR
(clirr.sourceforge.net) about six months ago (clirr currently uses
BCEL). ASM had a fair level of activity around it, while BCEL was *very*
quiet.
> 36 bugs in bugzilla since March 2003, so definitely work to be done,
> with Cocoon being a user.
>
> Some ideas:
>
> * Wait for Markus and Enver to wake up, and see how we can help them.
> * Someone find time to apply patches and consider bugs. Always hard to
> do and yet still maintain a good sense of where the codebase is I
> think. But at least it lets the community keep things moving.
> * Move into Commons. I think it's probably too big, but I feel the
> Commons community is good at such things and the scope of BCEL doesn't
> seem that huge I might be underestimating it).
> * Move to another Apache/Jakarta project. Seems unnecessary unless it
> turns out that only Cocoon, say, uses BCEL.
ASM (asm.objectweb.org) is, it would seem to me, smaller, faster,
cleaner and has more active development. And it's under a BSD license.
ASM seems to simply have found a better approach than BCEL. No criticism
intended to the BCEL developers; ASM is a more recent project that may
well have learnt from earlier projects like BCEL.
It would seem sensible to me for projects to migrate from BCEL to ASM,
and for apache to retire BCEL. Of course it would be nice for one
significant BCEL-using project (eg cocoon) to look at whether ASM has
the necessary features before doing so; certainly ASM had all the
features that CLIRR needed but that is a fairly tightly focussed
project.
Or a response from a BCEL developer to indicate what BCEL offers that
ASM lacks would be useful...
Regards,
Simon
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A BCEL future? Was: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Hi,
> > How many committers subscribe to this list?
> >
> > [ ] I am a committer.
> > [ ] I am not a committer.
I'm on all Jakarta dev lists :)
Quick bit of cvs analysis.
BCEL has 6 committers at the moment. 3 are on the Jakarta PMC, but
Markus Dahm and Enver Haase seem to be the main committers by a long
way and are not; Markus has committed a couple of fixes last month,
but that's it for 2004. Last website deploy was in 2003.
372 java files, depends on jakarta-regexp, though only for one class.
Otherwise it's nicely stand-alone. My vague understanding of BCEL is
that ObjectWeb's ASM is in more use nowadays, but vague is the correct
term for me there :)
To contradict Niclas, all Jakarta committers don't have access to all
of Jakarta. It's delineated on sub-project basis, with only
Commons-sandbox as far as I know being open (and even there you have
to request access).
36 bugs in bugzilla since March 2003, so definitely work to be done,
with Cocoon being a user.
Some ideas:
* Wait for Markus and Enver to wake up, and see how we can help them.
* Someone find time to apply patches and consider bugs. Always hard to
do and yet still maintain a good sense of where the codebase is I
think. But at least it lets the community keep things moving.
* Move into Commons. I think it's probably too big, but I feel the
Commons community is good at such things and the scope of BCEL doesn't
seem that huge I might be underestimating it).
* Move to another Apache/Jakarta project. Seems unnecessary unless it
turns out that only Cocoon, say, uses BCEL.
I think no one will argue that if there are contributors with patches
waiting to be applied, we need committers to apply patches, to be
holders of the apache way and to guide contributors into committing
etc, the only question seems (to me) to be who those committers will
be.
Ideas?
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Hi,
> How many committers subscribe to this list?
>
> [X] I am a committer.
> [ ] I am not a committer.
>
I am a committer but I have not been active in BCEL development.
Conor
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by David Hovemeyer <da...@cs.umd.edu>.
If some administrative difficulties get resolved, I may have
commit access sometime in the (hopefully near) future.
I'm definitely interested in the long-term maintenance of BCEL,
since I work on a project that uses it heavily.
-Dave
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 10:59:38PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> Hi,
> How many committers subscribe to this list?
>
> [ ] I am a committer.
> [ ] I am not a committer.
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
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Re: Committer attendence
Posted by Laurent Martelli <la...@aopsys.com>.
>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Bretin <si...@anyware-tech.com> writes:
Simon> Niclas Hedhman a écrit :
>> Hi, How many committers subscribe to this list?
>>
>> [ ] I am a committer. [X] I am not a committer.
>>
>>
>>
Simon> BCEL User, subscribing just to be informed of changes or
Simon> patches to current code.
Same for me.
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by Simon Bretin <si...@anyware-tech.com>.
Niclas Hedhman a écrit :
>Hi,
>How many committers subscribe to this list?
>
>[ ] I am a committer.
>[X] I am not a committer.
>
>
>
BCEL User, subscribing just to be informed of changes or patches to
current code.
Simon
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Re: [POLL] Committer attendence
Posted by A Pietu Pohjalainen <po...@cc.helsinki.fi>.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> How many committers subscribe to this list?
> [ ] I am a committer.
> [X] I am not a committer.
I'm not a committer and neither seem my (single;) patch got committed to
the CVS-version.
br,
Pietu Pohjalainen
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