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Posted to dev@ode.apache.org by Milinda Pathirage <mi...@gmail.com> on 2011/08/09 03:41:17 UTC
Re: Minutes: ODE roadmap call
Hi Tammo and others,
Finally I found some people who are interested in contributing to ODE and
have some free time to participate in ODE development actively. Some of them
are new to ODE and I think we should start from simple tasks to get them
familiar with ODE.
We have several number of items in our road map and some of them are
complex. It's better if we can come up with a plan for immediate action
items, so that people who are willing to contribute can help us with
completing tasks on our road map(They can also start with issue in JIRA too,
but I would like to have a action plan so that we can identify and start
working on urgent tasks).
I think we should start working on ode.apache.org ASAP. Please feel free to
comment on this.
Thanks
Milinda
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Tammo van Lessen <tv...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> thanks for attending today's ODE skype call. AFAIK it was the first ODE
> call of this kind, I think it was interesting and helpful. Lets continue
> the discussion on the dev list.
>
> Here are my notes:
>
> Attendees: Anurag Aggarwal, Gary Brown, Jeff Yu, Shivaraj Tenginakai,
> Sunil Kalva, Milinda Pathirage, Tammo van Lessen
>
> Minutes:
> - Community & Eco system
> - need to attract more committers that drive the development
>
> - Dynamic OModel
> - current OModel does not support model evolution, hence OModel
> changes result in binary incompatibilities. Overcoming these issues is
> costly and cumbersome
> - Agreement: Need for a dynamic OModel, possibly based on Key-Value
> structures to keep the static class structure independent of possible
> OModel changes. The OModel should support migration between OModel
> versions and should detect automatically what kind of migrations are
> needed. The old OModel should be kept and should be automatically
> migrated to the new OModel. Migration is needed since recompilation
> would break long-running process models.
>
> - JPA Refactoring
> - Status (Jeff): needs some final polishing, some tests need to be
> fixed in mvn build, then it can be committed to trunk. It supports both,
> Hibernate and OpenJPA via JPA 2.0
> - is based on ODE's JPA DAO layer. Tammo has concerns about maturity
> - Agreement: We keep old JPA and hibernate DAOs but will ship with
> new JPA DAO as default to get feedback and to continuously improve it.
>
> - Backports from experimental (FKA ODE 2.0)
> - Former ODE 2.0 has some interesting features that are worth to be
> backported
>
> - Build system
> - Buildr vs. Maven
> - Agreement: Two build systems is one too many. Unclear which one to
> choose. Plan is to update the maven build to be as good as buildr and
> then run a vote.
> - Current situation: buildr build is fast, stable but people feel
> uncomfortable with it. Maven2 build has some issues due to the projects
> modularization, Tammo complains about cumbersome plugin configuration.
> Jeff, Gary, Milinda prefer Maven, Tammo prefers Buildr.
>
> - Patches
> - There a a couple of Jiras with patches attached. We should run
> through them and try to apply them. They may help to find potential
> committers, also they may be low-hanging fruits but greatly improve ODE
> (e.g. the <validate> activity implementation).
>
> - Website
> - Website does not fully implement ASF's trademark policies.
> - Discussion whether to stick with Confluence or to move to ASF's CMS.
> - Gary is concerned about the overhead that is connected with
> switching documentation system
> - Milinda has experience with similar Web sites (Axis2) and is
> checking if he can find some resources that can work of this. Thanks!
>
> - Google Summer of Code is a great opportunity to attract new people
> and to get some interesting contributions. Please file JIRA issues with
> self-contained project ideas and tag them with gsoc2011. They will then
> appear on Apache's GSOC ideas list page.
>
>
> Please check the minutes, they are mainly a brain dump, so I hope I got
> everything right.
>
> Thanks,
> Tammo
>
>
> On 22.03.2011 04:18, Milinda Pathirage wrote:
> > Hi Tammo and all,
> >
> > I think I should be able to host conference call which you can dial-in.
> I'll
> > let you know the status.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Milinda
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Bob Brodt <bb...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> rbrodt
> >>
> >> _______________________________________
> >> Robert ("Bob") Brodt
> >> Senior Software Engineer, JBoss Riftsaw
> >> JBoss by Red Hat
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> tshivaraj
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Tammo van Lessen
> >>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> since the doodle poll did not help to find a preferred slot, we
> >>>> should
> >>>> stick to 7:00 utc tomorrow. I don't have access to a conf hosting
> >>>> service, so I'd prefer skype. Please send me your skype name so that
> >>>> I
> >>>> can add you to the call. Mine is tvanlessen. If you can easily host
> >>>> such a conference, please let me know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, Tammo
> >>>>
> >>>> On Monday, March 21, 2011, Jeff Yu <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Tammo,
> >>>>> I think you haven't sent out the conf call's detail yet, right?
> >>>>> RegardsJeff
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Tammo van Lessen
> >>>>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sorry for the delay. Getting a working internet connection took
> >>>>> longer
> >>>>> than expected, also the move is not yet fully survived ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To give more notice, I propose to schedule the call for next
> >>>>> Tuesday,
> >>>>> March 22, 7:00 UTC. An intermediary agenda can be found at
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ODE Roadmap Call
> >>>>> <
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0Ac2PXMTvfhyeZHEzMmp3Yl8xNDFmZ3d3cmY4NQ&hl=en&authkey=CMX12esD
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would that be working for you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 27.02.2011 18:45, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Gary, all
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> agreed, let's cancel the call and find a better date, perhaps Thu
> >>>>>> 10th
> >>>>>> or Fr 11th of March. Lets pin that down once I have reliable
> >>>>>> internet
> >>>>>> access again (mid next week).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> @all, please let me know if none of these work for you or if you
> >>>>>> strongly prefer one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 26.02.2011 10:28, Gary Brown wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Tammo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could probably make it, but I think it may be better to give
> >>>>>>> more notice,
> >>>>>>> to ensure as many people can attend.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So would suggest moving the meeting to the following week, after
> >>>>>>> your move?
> >>>>>>> The time is fine for me, but I would not be able to do Monday or
> >>>>>>> Tuesday
> >>>>>>> next week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Jeff Yu <je...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am available.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Tammo van Lessen
> >>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> sorry for the delay. Looks like finding a perfect date is quite
> >>>>>>>>> difficult since our timezone distribution could not be better
> >>>>>>>>> ;)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I hope I resolve the timezone names properly, so here is our
> >>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>> situation ;)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=25&month=2&year=2011&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75&iv=0
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think it's almost impossible to find a good time for
> >>>>>>>>> everybody. I
> >>>>>>>>> think the best match would be 7:00 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Would you be available next Monday?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&month=2&day=28&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Other days next week are a bit difficult for me since I'm
> >>>>>>>>> moving.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Monday 7am UTC is fine with you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 18.02.2011 19:46, Veresh Jain wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to join, GMT -8 Timezone.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>> Veresh
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 02/08/2011 06:17 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> a new year, a new release, time to discuss ODE's roadmap
> >>>>>>>>>>> again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of issues on my list that I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>> discuss with
> >>>>>>>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1) Status of JPA refactoring
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) Evolveable OModel and runtime model
> >>>>>>>>>>> 3) Backports from experimental
> >>>>>>>>>>> 4) Community& Eco system
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think of having a skype call to discuss these
> >>>>>>>>>>> issues?
> >>>>>>>> Please
> >>>>>>>>>>> let me know your availability, interest, timezones and/or
> >>>>>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>>>>>> issues so that I can schedule a meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Jeff Yu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------
> >>>>> blog: http://jeff.familyyu.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
>
--
Milinda Pathirage
Technical Lead & Product Manager WSO2 BPS; http://wso2.org/bps
WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com
E-mail: milinda@wso2.com, milinda.pathirage@gmail.com
Web: http://mpathirage.com
Blog: http://blog.mpathirage.com
Re: Minutes: ODE roadmap call
Posted by Tammo van Lessen <tv...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys,
That's great news and is much appreciated! I'm on vacation currently with
none to limited connectivity, so please excuse me being quiet and n/a this
month.
Cheers, Tammo
Am 09.08.2011 05:13 schrieb "Waruna Ranasinghe" <wa...@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> I like to improve the UI of ODE. I'll come up with an action plan and the
> design.
> But I like to have your feedback, before moving forward.
>
> Thanks,
> Waruna
>
> On 9 August 2011 13:41, Milinda Pathirage <milinda.pathirage@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Tammo and others,
>>
>> Finally I found some people who are interested in contributing to ODE and
>> have some free time to participate in ODE development actively. Some of
>> them
>> are new to ODE and I think we should start from simple tasks to get them
>> familiar with ODE.
>>
>> We have several number of items in our road map and some of them are
>> complex. It's better if we can come up with a plan for immediate action
>> items, so that people who are willing to contribute can help us with
>> completing tasks on our road map(They can also start with issue in JIRA
>> too,
>> but I would like to have a action plan so that we can identify and start
>> working on urgent tasks).
>>
>> I think we should start working on ode.apache.org ASAP. Please feel free
>> to
>> comment on this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Milinda
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > thanks for attending today's ODE skype call. AFAIK it was the first ODE
>> > call of this kind, I think it was interesting and helpful. Lets
continue
>> > the discussion on the dev list.
>> >
>> > Here are my notes:
>> >
>> > Attendees: Anurag Aggarwal, Gary Brown, Jeff Yu, Shivaraj Tenginakai,
>> > Sunil Kalva, Milinda Pathirage, Tammo van Lessen
>> >
>> > Minutes:
>> > - Community & Eco system
>> > - need to attract more committers that drive the development
>> >
>> > - Dynamic OModel
>> > - current OModel does not support model evolution, hence OModel
>> > changes result in binary incompatibilities. Overcoming these issues is
>> > costly and cumbersome
>> > - Agreement: Need for a dynamic OModel, possibly based on Key-Value
>> > structures to keep the static class structure independent of possible
>> > OModel changes. The OModel should support migration between OModel
>> > versions and should detect automatically what kind of migrations are
>> > needed. The old OModel should be kept and should be automatically
>> > migrated to the new OModel. Migration is needed since recompilation
>> > would break long-running process models.
>> >
>> > - JPA Refactoring
>> > - Status (Jeff): needs some final polishing, some tests need to be
>> > fixed in mvn build, then it can be committed to trunk. It supports
both,
>> > Hibernate and OpenJPA via JPA 2.0
>> > - is based on ODE's JPA DAO layer. Tammo has concerns about maturity
>> > - Agreement: We keep old JPA and hibernate DAOs but will ship with
>> > new JPA DAO as default to get feedback and to continuously improve it.
>> >
>> > - Backports from experimental (FKA ODE 2.0)
>> > - Former ODE 2.0 has some interesting features that are worth to be
>> > backported
>> >
>> > - Build system
>> > - Buildr vs. Maven
>> > - Agreement: Two build systems is one too many. Unclear which one to
>> > choose. Plan is to update the maven build to be as good as buildr and
>> > then run a vote.
>> > - Current situation: buildr build is fast, stable but people feel
>> > uncomfortable with it. Maven2 build has some issues due to the projects
>> > modularization, Tammo complains about cumbersome plugin configuration.
>> > Jeff, Gary, Milinda prefer Maven, Tammo prefers Buildr.
>> >
>> > - Patches
>> > - There a a couple of Jiras with patches attached. We should run
>> > through them and try to apply them. They may help to find potential
>> > committers, also they may be low-hanging fruits but greatly improve ODE
>> > (e.g. the <validate> activity implementation).
>> >
>> > - Website
>> > - Website does not fully implement ASF's trademark policies.
>> > - Discussion whether to stick with Confluence or to move to ASF's CMS.
>> > - Gary is concerned about the overhead that is connected with
>> > switching documentation system
>> > - Milinda has experience with similar Web sites (Axis2) and is
>> > checking if he can find some resources that can work of this. Thanks!
>> >
>> > - Google Summer of Code is a great opportunity to attract new people
>> > and to get some interesting contributions. Please file JIRA issues with
>> > self-contained project ideas and tag them with gsoc2011. They will then
>> > appear on Apache's GSOC ideas list page.
>> >
>> >
>> > Please check the minutes, they are mainly a brain dump, so I hope I got
>> > everything right.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Tammo
>> >
>> >
>> > On 22.03.2011 04:18, Milinda Pathirage wrote:
>> > > Hi Tammo and all,
>> > >
>> > > I think I should be able to host conference call which you can
dial-in.
>> > I'll
>> > > let you know the status.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Milinda
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Bob Brodt <bb...@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> rbrodt
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________
>> > >> Robert ("Bob") Brodt
>> > >> Senior Software Engineer, JBoss Riftsaw
>> > >> JBoss by Red Hat
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> tshivaraj
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Tammo van Lessen
>> > >>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>> Hi guys,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> since the doodle poll did not help to find a preferred slot, we
>> > >>>> should
>> > >>>> stick to 7:00 utc tomorrow. I don't have access to a conf hosting
>> > >>>> service, so I'd prefer skype. Please send me your skype name so
that
>> > >>>> I
>> > >>>> can add you to the call. Mine is tvanlessen. If you can easily
host
>> > >>>> such a conference, please let me know.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cheers, Tammo
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Monday, March 21, 2011, Jeff Yu <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> Hi Tammo,
>> > >>>>> I think you haven't sent out the conf call's detail yet, right?
>> > >>>>> RegardsJeff
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Tammo van Lessen
>> > >>>>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> Hi guys,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> sorry for the delay. Getting a working internet connection took
>> > >>>>> longer
>> > >>>>> than expected, also the move is not yet fully survived ;)
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> To give more notice, I propose to schedule the call for next
>> > >>>>> Tuesday,
>> > >>>>> March 22, 7:00 UTC. An intermediary agenda can be found at
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> ODE Roadmap Call
>> > >>>>> <
>> > >>
>> >
>>
https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0Ac2PXMTvfhyeZHEzMmp3Yl8xNDFmZ3d3cmY4NQ&hl=en&authkey=CMX12esD
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Would that be working for you?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Best regards,
>> > >>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 27.02.2011 18:45, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Hi Gary, all
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> agreed, let's cancel the call and find a better date, perhaps
Thu
>> > >>>>>> 10th
>> > >>>>>> or Fr 11th of March. Lets pin that down once I have reliable
>> > >>>>>> internet
>> > >>>>>> access again (mid next week).
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> @all, please let me know if none of these work for you or if you
>> > >>>>>> strongly prefer one.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 26.02.2011 10:28, Gary Brown wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> Hi Tammo
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I could probably make it, but I think it may be better to give
>> > >>>>>>> more notice,
>> > >>>>>>> to ensure as many people can attend.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> So would suggest moving the meeting to the following week,
after
>> > >>>>>>> your move?
>> > >>>>>>> The time is fine for me, but I would not be able to do Monday
or
>> > >>>>>>> Tuesday
>> > >>>>>>> next week.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>> Gary
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Jeff Yu <
jeff.yuchang@gmail.com
>> >
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I am available.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>>> Jeff
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Tammo van Lessen
>> > >>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> sorry for the delay. Looks like finding a perfect date is
quite
>> > >>>>>>>>> difficult since our timezone distribution could not be better
>> > >>>>>>>>> ;)
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I hope I resolve the timezone names properly, so here is our
>> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> > >>>>>>>>> situation ;)
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=25&month=2&year=2011&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75&iv=0
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I think it's almost impossible to find a good time for
>> > >>>>>>>>> everybody. I
>> > >>>>>>>>> think the best match would be 7:00 UTC.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Would you be available next Monday?
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&month=2&day=28&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Other days next week are a bit difficult for me since I'm
>> > >>>>>>>>> moving.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Monday 7am UTC is fine with you.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On 18.02.2011 19:46, Veresh Jain wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would like to join, GMT -8 Timezone.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Veresh
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 02/08/2011 06:17 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> a new year, a new release, time to discuss ODE's roadmap
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> again.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of issues on my list that I'd like to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> discuss with
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> you.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 1) Status of JPA refactoring
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2) Evolveable OModel and runtime model
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 3) Backports from experimental
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 4) Community& Eco system
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think of having a skype call to discuss these
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> issues?
>> > >>>>>>>> Please
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> let me know your availability, interest, timezones and/or
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> additional
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> issues so that I can schedule a meeting.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> <
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>> Jeff Yu
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> ----------------
>> > >>>>> blog: http://jeff.familyyu.net
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Milinda Pathirage
>> Technical Lead & Product Manager WSO2 BPS; http://wso2.org/bps
>> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com
>> E-mail: milinda@wso2.com, milinda.pathirage@gmail.com
>> Web: http://mpathirage.com
>> Blog: http://blog.mpathirage.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Regards,
> Waruna Ranasinghe
>
> mob: 0724318285
> blog: http://warunapw.blogspot.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/warunapww
> http://lk.linkedin.com/in/waruna
> www.facebook.com/waruna.ranasinghe
Re: Minutes: ODE roadmap call
Posted by Waruna Ranasinghe <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
I like to improve the UI of ODE. I'll come up with an action plan and the
design.
But I like to have your feedback, before moving forward.
Thanks,
Waruna
On 9 August 2011 13:41, Milinda Pathirage <mi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Tammo and others,
>
> Finally I found some people who are interested in contributing to ODE and
> have some free time to participate in ODE development actively. Some of
> them
> are new to ODE and I think we should start from simple tasks to get them
> familiar with ODE.
>
> We have several number of items in our road map and some of them are
> complex. It's better if we can come up with a plan for immediate action
> items, so that people who are willing to contribute can help us with
> completing tasks on our road map(They can also start with issue in JIRA
> too,
> but I would like to have a action plan so that we can identify and start
> working on urgent tasks).
>
> I think we should start working on ode.apache.org ASAP. Please feel free
> to
> comment on this.
>
> Thanks
> Milinda
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > thanks for attending today's ODE skype call. AFAIK it was the first ODE
> > call of this kind, I think it was interesting and helpful. Lets continue
> > the discussion on the dev list.
> >
> > Here are my notes:
> >
> > Attendees: Anurag Aggarwal, Gary Brown, Jeff Yu, Shivaraj Tenginakai,
> > Sunil Kalva, Milinda Pathirage, Tammo van Lessen
> >
> > Minutes:
> > - Community & Eco system
> > - need to attract more committers that drive the development
> >
> > - Dynamic OModel
> > - current OModel does not support model evolution, hence OModel
> > changes result in binary incompatibilities. Overcoming these issues is
> > costly and cumbersome
> > - Agreement: Need for a dynamic OModel, possibly based on Key-Value
> > structures to keep the static class structure independent of possible
> > OModel changes. The OModel should support migration between OModel
> > versions and should detect automatically what kind of migrations are
> > needed. The old OModel should be kept and should be automatically
> > migrated to the new OModel. Migration is needed since recompilation
> > would break long-running process models.
> >
> > - JPA Refactoring
> > - Status (Jeff): needs some final polishing, some tests need to be
> > fixed in mvn build, then it can be committed to trunk. It supports both,
> > Hibernate and OpenJPA via JPA 2.0
> > - is based on ODE's JPA DAO layer. Tammo has concerns about maturity
> > - Agreement: We keep old JPA and hibernate DAOs but will ship with
> > new JPA DAO as default to get feedback and to continuously improve it.
> >
> > - Backports from experimental (FKA ODE 2.0)
> > - Former ODE 2.0 has some interesting features that are worth to be
> > backported
> >
> > - Build system
> > - Buildr vs. Maven
> > - Agreement: Two build systems is one too many. Unclear which one to
> > choose. Plan is to update the maven build to be as good as buildr and
> > then run a vote.
> > - Current situation: buildr build is fast, stable but people feel
> > uncomfortable with it. Maven2 build has some issues due to the projects
> > modularization, Tammo complains about cumbersome plugin configuration.
> > Jeff, Gary, Milinda prefer Maven, Tammo prefers Buildr.
> >
> > - Patches
> > - There a a couple of Jiras with patches attached. We should run
> > through them and try to apply them. They may help to find potential
> > committers, also they may be low-hanging fruits but greatly improve ODE
> > (e.g. the <validate> activity implementation).
> >
> > - Website
> > - Website does not fully implement ASF's trademark policies.
> > - Discussion whether to stick with Confluence or to move to ASF's CMS.
> > - Gary is concerned about the overhead that is connected with
> > switching documentation system
> > - Milinda has experience with similar Web sites (Axis2) and is
> > checking if he can find some resources that can work of this. Thanks!
> >
> > - Google Summer of Code is a great opportunity to attract new people
> > and to get some interesting contributions. Please file JIRA issues with
> > self-contained project ideas and tag them with gsoc2011. They will then
> > appear on Apache's GSOC ideas list page.
> >
> >
> > Please check the minutes, they are mainly a brain dump, so I hope I got
> > everything right.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tammo
> >
> >
> > On 22.03.2011 04:18, Milinda Pathirage wrote:
> > > Hi Tammo and all,
> > >
> > > I think I should be able to host conference call which you can dial-in.
> > I'll
> > > let you know the status.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Milinda
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Bob Brodt <bb...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> rbrodt
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________
> > >> Robert ("Bob") Brodt
> > >> Senior Software Engineer, JBoss Riftsaw
> > >> JBoss by Red Hat
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> tshivaraj
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Tammo van Lessen
> > >>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> since the doodle poll did not help to find a preferred slot, we
> > >>>> should
> > >>>> stick to 7:00 utc tomorrow. I don't have access to a conf hosting
> > >>>> service, so I'd prefer skype. Please send me your skype name so that
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> can add you to the call. Mine is tvanlessen. If you can easily host
> > >>>> such a conference, please let me know.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers, Tammo
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Monday, March 21, 2011, Jeff Yu <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi Tammo,
> > >>>>> I think you haven't sent out the conf call's detail yet, right?
> > >>>>> RegardsJeff
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Tammo van Lessen
> > >>>>> <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> sorry for the delay. Getting a working internet connection took
> > >>>>> longer
> > >>>>> than expected, also the move is not yet fully survived ;)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> To give more notice, I propose to schedule the call for next
> > >>>>> Tuesday,
> > >>>>> March 22, 7:00 UTC. An intermediary agenda can be found at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ODE Roadmap Call
> > >>>>> <
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0Ac2PXMTvfhyeZHEzMmp3Yl8xNDFmZ3d3cmY4NQ&hl=en&authkey=CMX12esD
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would that be working for you?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>> Tammo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 27.02.2011 18:45, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi Gary, all
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> agreed, let's cancel the call and find a better date, perhaps Thu
> > >>>>>> 10th
> > >>>>>> or Fr 11th of March. Lets pin that down once I have reliable
> > >>>>>> internet
> > >>>>>> access again (mid next week).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> @all, please let me know if none of these work for you or if you
> > >>>>>> strongly prefer one.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>> Tammo
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 26.02.2011 10:28, Gary Brown wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi Tammo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I could probably make it, but I think it may be better to give
> > >>>>>>> more notice,
> > >>>>>>> to ensure as many people can attend.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So would suggest moving the meeting to the following week, after
> > >>>>>>> your move?
> > >>>>>>> The time is fine for me, but I would not be able to do Monday or
> > >>>>>>> Tuesday
> > >>>>>>> next week.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Jeff Yu <jeff.yuchang@gmail.com
> >
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I am available.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>>> Jeff
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Tammo van Lessen
> > >>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> sorry for the delay. Looks like finding a perfect date is quite
> > >>>>>>>>> difficult since our timezone distribution could not be better
> > >>>>>>>>> ;)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I hope I resolve the timezone names properly, so here is our
> > >>>>>>>>> current
> > >>>>>>>>> situation ;)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=25&month=2&year=2011&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75&iv=0
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I think it's almost impossible to find a good time for
> > >>>>>>>>> everybody. I
> > >>>>>>>>> think the best match would be 7:00 UTC.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Would you be available next Monday?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&month=2&day=28&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=136&p2=37&p3=54&p4=240&p5=224&p6=75
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Other days next week are a bit difficult for me since I'm
> > >>>>>>>>> moving.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Monday 7am UTC is fine with you.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>>> Tammo
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On 18.02.2011 19:46, Veresh Jain wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> I would like to join, GMT -8 Timezone.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>>>>> Veresh
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 02/08/2011 06:17 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> a new year, a new release, time to discuss ODE's roadmap
> > >>>>>>>>>>> again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of issues on my list that I'd like to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> discuss with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 1) Status of JPA refactoring
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2) Evolveable OModel and runtime model
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 3) Backports from experimental
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 4) Community& Eco system
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think of having a skype call to discuss these
> > >>>>>>>>>>> issues?
> > >>>>>>>> Please
> > >>>>>>>>>>> let me know your availability, interest, timezones and/or
> > >>>>>>>>>>> additional
> > >>>>>>>>>>> issues so that I can schedule a meeting.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> <
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Jeff Yu
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----------------
> > >>>>> blog: http://jeff.familyyu.net
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
> >
>
>
>
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> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com
> E-mail: milinda@wso2.com, milinda.pathirage@gmail.com
> Web: http://mpathirage.com
> Blog: http://blog.mpathirage.com
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