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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Christian Anton <ca...@transunion.co.tt> on 2004/10/08 22:51:16 UTC
Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects
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OMFG!!!
YOUR DOCUMENTATION SUCKS ASS IN HELL!
Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure for any other product?? Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components at varying stages of development and interoperability and documentation?? Why not install one single package when you can install, edit, install, edit, install, copy, install, edit...
Is this project TRYING to make FLOSS look like a jumble of collated mess?
I wanted to install OpenNMS, which requires Jakarta, which requires a WORLD of patience and determination to deduce. I've spent the last couple hours trying to figure out how to install jakarta. Man, on days like this even MS products look so good. F**K jakarta and now because of that F**K OpenNMS - might have been EXACTLY what I needed, but at this point.... F**K IT!!
Good job jakarta developers, way to promote the shitty side of FLOSS projects.
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Cheers,
Christian Anton
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Re: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
I think the only answer that is needed for this email is to ask how you
found it when you installed the SourceForge product?
Jakarta is not a product. It is a community.
Hen
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Christian Anton wrote:
> <rant>
>
> OMFG!!!
>
> YOUR DOCUMENTATION SUCKS ASS IN HELL!
>
> Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure for any
> other product?? Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange
> components at varying stages of development and interoperability and
> documentation?? Why not install one single package when you can install,
> edit, install, edit, install, copy, install, edit...
>
> Is this project TRYING to make FLOSS look like a jumble of collated mess?
>
> I wanted to install OpenNMS, which requires Jakarta, which requires a
> WORLD of patience and determination to deduce. I've spent the last
> couple hours trying to figure out how to install jakarta. Man, on days
> like this even MS products look so good. F**K jakarta and now because of
> that F**K OpenNMS - might have been EXACTLY what I needed, but at this
> point.... F**K IT!!
>
> Good job jakarta developers, way to promote the shitty side of FLOSS
> projects.
>
> </rant>
>
> Cheers,
> Christian Anton
>
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RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Henri Gomez wrote:
> If some people found hard to install and glue jakarta software (not
> products) together they should consider JPackage.org ready to use
> RPMS. This Linux project make a cross distribution coherent Java
> distribution, which is now used by Mandrake, Suse and Redhat.
If you can think of some way of validating the contents of the RPMs (e.g.,
if they were part of the release testing process and signed by an ASF
release manager), maybe we could do something with jpackage.org. Or add the
RPMs to our dist/ tree.
--- Noel
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Re: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects
Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
If some people found hard to install and glue jakarta software (not
products) together they should consider JPackage.org ready to use
RPMS. This Linux project make a cross distribution coherent Java
distribution, which is now used by Mandrake, Suse and Redhat.
Regards
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:56:38 -0400, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Christian Anton wrote:
>
> > Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure
> > for any other product??
>
> Jakarta isn't a product.
>
> > Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components
> > at varying stages of development and interoperability and
> > documentation??
>
> Because that is exactly what Jakarta is --- Jakarta is a community of
> historic origin that oversees many projects written in Java.
>
> > Why not install one single package when you can install, edit,
> > install, edit, install, copy, install, edit...
>
> When you go to the grocery store, do you expect to be provided with one
> single set of cooking instructions for the frozen goods section?
>
> > I wanted to install OpenNMS, which requires Jakarta
>
> > I've spent the last couple hours trying to figure out how to install
> jakarta.
>
> When I read the installation documentation for OpenNMS, I see that it tells
> you that you need Tomcat, provides a direct link to that project, and tells
> you that it is PART OF [emphasis mine] the Jakarta Project of the Apache
> Software Foundation.
>
> ref:
> https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=23937&group_id=4141#d0e
> 211
>
> If one were to RTFM, one would reach
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, which has links to the Tomcat
> binary downloads, manuals, etc.
>
> --- Noel
>
>
>
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RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Christian Anton wrote:
> Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure
> for any other product??
Jakarta isn't a product.
> Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components
> at varying stages of development and interoperability and
> documentation??
Because that is exactly what Jakarta is --- Jakarta is a community of
historic origin that oversees many projects written in Java.
> Why not install one single package when you can install, edit,
> install, edit, install, copy, install, edit...
When you go to the grocery store, do you expect to be provided with one
single set of cooking instructions for the frozen goods section?
> I wanted to install OpenNMS, which requires Jakarta
> I've spent the last couple hours trying to figure out how to install
jakarta.
When I read the installation documentation for OpenNMS, I see that it tells
you that you need Tomcat, provides a direct link to that project, and tells
you that it is PART OF [emphasis mine] the Jakarta Project of the Apache
Software Foundation.
ref:
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=23937&group_id=4141#d0e
211
If one were to RTFM, one would reach
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, which has links to the Tomcat
binary downloads, manuals, etc.
--- Noel
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