Wikipedia article cleanup

[Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>]

Hey,

Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?

The opening paragraph is terrible:

"Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
similar to MongoDB."

A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
CouchDB.

There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.

http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html

There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
and UQL.

In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.

I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
interests.

Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?

Thanks,

N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz>]

On 15 April 2012 12:20, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
> I've spent some time this morning, working on the introduction and
> making from stylistic changes. I think the text is much more readable
> now. Some support on more supportive matters would be welcome.

s/supportive/substantive

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>]

Great stuff, it's definitely improving.

On 15 April 2012 01:20, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
> I've spent some time this morning, working on the introduction and
> making from stylistic changes. I think the text is much more readable
> now. Some support on more supportive matters would be welcome.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CouchDB&diff=487423562&oldid=487381176
>
> On 15 April 2012 09:44, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>> You could also pepper assertions like 'with funding from IBM' with
>> [citation needed]. Which you won't get, because it isn't true.
>>
>> B.
>>
>> On 14 April 2012 22:43, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> https://couchdb.apache.org/ :)
>>>
>>> On 14 April 2012 22:30, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Are there any recent primary sources to draw from? Wikipedia editors
>>>> really dislike large edits without references, even if they improve
>>>> the article.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 April 2012 07:19, Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Any better with this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>>> NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
>>>>> queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
>>>>> and later became an Apache project in 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
>>>>> relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
>>>>> documents.
>>>>>
>>>>> CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
>>>>> in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
>>>>> Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
>>>>> MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
>>>>> with Futon, a web based administration console."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan Porta
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
>>>>>> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>>>>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>>>>>>> similar to MongoDB."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>>>>>>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>>>>>>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>>>>>>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>>>>>>> CouchDB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>>>>>>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>>>>>>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>>>>>>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>>>>>>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>>>>>>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>>>>>>> and UQL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>>>>>>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>>>>>>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>>>>>>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz>]

I've spent some time this morning, working on the introduction and
making from stylistic changes. I think the text is much more readable
now. Some support on more supportive matters would be welcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CouchDB&diff=487423562&oldid=487381176

On 15 April 2012 09:44, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> You could also pepper assertions like 'with funding from IBM' with
> [citation needed]. Which you won't get, because it isn't true.
>
> B.
>
> On 14 April 2012 22:43, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>> https://couchdb.apache.org/ :)
>>
>> On 14 April 2012 22:30, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
>>> Are there any recent primary sources to draw from? Wikipedia editors
>>> really dislike large edits without references, even if they improve
>>> the article.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 April 2012 07:19, Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Any better with this:
>>>>
>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>> NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
>>>> queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
>>>> and later became an Apache project in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
>>>> relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
>>>> documents.
>>>>
>>>> CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
>>>> in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
>>>> Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.
>>>>
>>>> Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
>>>> MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
>>>> with Futon, a web based administration console."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Porta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
>>>>> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>>>>>
>>>>> B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>>>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>>>>>> similar to MongoDB."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>>>>>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>>>>>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>>>>>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>>>>>> CouchDB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>>>>>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>>>>>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>>>>>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>>>>>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>>>>>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>>>>>> and UQL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>>>>>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>>>>>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>>>>>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>]

You could also pepper assertions like 'with funding from IBM' with
[citation needed]. Which you won't get, because it isn't true.

B.

On 14 April 2012 22:43, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> https://couchdb.apache.org/ :)
>
> On 14 April 2012 22:30, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
>> Are there any recent primary sources to draw from? Wikipedia editors
>> really dislike large edits without references, even if they improve
>> the article.
>>
>>
>> On 15 April 2012 07:19, Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Any better with this:
>>>
>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>> NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
>>> queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
>>> and later became an Apache project in 2008.
>>>
>>> Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
>>> relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
>>> in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
>>> Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.
>>>
>>> Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
>>> MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
>>> with Futon, a web based administration console."
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan Porta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
>>>> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>>>>
>>>>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>>>>> similar to MongoDB."
>>>>>
>>>>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>>>>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>>>>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>>>>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>>>>> CouchDB.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>>>>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>>>>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>>>>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>>>>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>>>>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>>>>> and UQL.
>>>>>
>>>>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>>>>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>>>>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>>>>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>>>>> interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>]

https://couchdb.apache.org/ :)

On 14 April 2012 22:30, Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz> wrote:
> Are there any recent primary sources to draw from? Wikipedia editors
> really dislike large edits without references, even if they improve
> the article.
>
>
> On 15 April 2012 07:19, Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Any better with this:
>>
>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>> NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
>> queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
>> and later became an Apache project in 2008.
>>
>> Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
>> relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
>> documents.
>>
>> CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
>> in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
>> Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.
>>
>> Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
>> MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
>> with Futon, a web based administration console."
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Porta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
>>> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>>>
>>> B.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>>>
>>>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>>>
>>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>>>> similar to MongoDB."
>>>>
>>>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>>>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>>>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>>>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>>>> CouchDB.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>>>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>>>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>>>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>>>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>>>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>>>
>>>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>>>> and UQL.
>>>>
>>>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>>>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>>>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>>>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>>>
>>>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>>>> interests.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Tim McNamara <pa...@timmcnamara.co.nz>]

Are there any recent primary sources to draw from? Wikipedia editors
really dislike large edits without references, even if they improve
the article.


On 15 April 2012 07:19, Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any better with this:
>
> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
> NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
> queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
> and later became an Apache project in 2008.
>
> Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
> relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
> documents.
>
> CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
> in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
> Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.
>
> Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
> MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
> with Futon, a web based administration console."
>
>
> Jonathan Porta
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
>> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>>
>>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>>
>>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>>> similar to MongoDB."
>>>
>>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>>> CouchDB.
>>>
>>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>>
>>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>>> and UQL.
>>>
>>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>>
>>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>>> interests.
>>>
>>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Jonathan Porta <ru...@gmail.com>]

Any better with this:

"Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
NoSQL database that uses JSON for documents, JavaScript for MapReduce
queries, and HTTP for an API.[1] CouchDB was first released in 2005
and later became an Apache project in 2008.

Unlike in a relational database, CouchDB does not store data and
relationships in tables, but instead stores structured data as JSON
documents.

CouchDB implements a form of Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC)
in order to avoid the need to lock the database file during writes.
Conflicts are left to the user to resolve.

Other features are ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
MapReduce, incremental replication and fault-tolerance. CouchDB ships
with Futon, a web based administration console."


Jonathan Porta



On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
> (and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!
>
> B.
>
>
> On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>>
>> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>>
>> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
>> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
>> similar to MongoDB."
>>
>> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
>> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
>> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
>> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
>> CouchDB.
>>
>> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
>> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
>> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
>> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
>> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
>> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>>
>> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
>> and UQL.
>>
>> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
>> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
>> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
>> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>>
>> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
>> interests.
>>
>> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> N

Re: Wikipedia article cleanup

[Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>]

Certainly very crufty in places. The Talk page contains unchallenged
(and untrue) assertions that we're all moving to Couchbase server too!

B.


On 14 April 2012 16:46, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Does someone want to take a look at the CouchDB Wikipedia article?
>
> The opening paragraph is terrible:
>
> "Apache CouchDB, commonly referred to as CouchDB, is an open source
> document-oriented database NoSQL database system. It could be considered
> similar to MongoDB."
>
> A document-oriented database NoSQL database system? What. We should also
> not be compared to MongoDB in the first sentence. Or again, later in the
> article. It should be sufficient to let CouchDB stand on its own merits.
> Much like how the MongoDB article does not make constant comparisons with
> CouchDB.
>
> There are a number of factually incorrect statements that need cleaning up
> too. Like the statement that Damien Katz is our lead developer. It should,
> instead, be noted that he retired from our PMC. Also, IBM do not directly
> financially support the project, nor do any other companies. Individual
> developers are not sponsored either. The only sponsorship our project has
> is listed on the ASF sponsorship page.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
>
> There are a few other problems too, like outdated references to Couchbase
> and UQL.
>
> In general, there is probably a lot of love and attention someone could
> pour in to this. I notice that it was updated last week to include the new
> version number. So someone presumably has their eye on the article. We just
> need a little bit more work putting in to it, I think.
>
> I would do this myself, but I worry that I have a strong conflict of
> interests.
>
> Anyone calm and rational and distant enough want to take this on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> N