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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by bsreekanth <ba...@yahoo.com> on 2010/02/06 18:20:09 UTC
Re: What I would like to see
Hello,
this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
(debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide, Packet
book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more documents
etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few things I
noted,
1. rather than the lack of information, I was stuck with the mix of
old//outdated and current info, which lead to distrust and extra effort.
2. The documents are not indexed correctly, and cannot navigate from the
main wiki page. I got the below link through another website, during google
search.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/How+to+Setup+a+Company
not sure how relevant, but the point is it is wasted effort by the author,
and someone needed the info.
3. It is amazing the level of help people get through the forum. I have seen
almost all questions were answered on the same day. At the same time, it
would be much effortless if we had a properly indexed documentation. Rather
than explaining things over and over, we should be able to point to the
correct section in the manual. It also help many people, if the mentor
doesn't see the relevant information in the document, to add the content
himself or raise a (Jira) issue for that.
4. I myself collecting information regarding the data model, making notes
during my learning etc. It would be easy for me to add the content if we
have a skeleton of required information as mentioned by Matt. It would be
great if someone senior in the group can just start with an index page.
thanks,
Babu.
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Re: What I would like to see
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@free.fr>.
Please Babu,
For the ease of discussion keep at least a snippet of what you are referring to when answering.
From: "bsreekanth" <ba...@yahoo.com>
>
> Jaques,
> I disagree that the content/index/main page is same as finding it through
> wiki. Of course the information is there, and people desperate to find it
> may see it through search. But, as part of the discussion, the index give
> the depth of available information in a logically organized way.
Yes, that's true and I tried a couple of time to do what Matt and you seem engaged in, without much success it seems :/ (I did not
try too hard, things where moving too fast at this period)
Though most of the time, when I look for something (any subject) I begin to Google for then, refine locally. I read so much books
and forgot so much about them.
I'm an intuitive person, sometimes I'm lost, but not for a long time, sometimes I'm completly wrong also :D
>Even David
> mentioned in one of his tutorial that Freemaker has one of the best tutorial
> available, and I felt the same way just looking at it. I think most of the
> people get an overview looking at the contents, and decided to start looking
> at it in order.
I did not do that, I dived in code. But that's certainly a good thing to have good *up-to-date (versionned)* references handy.
Of course, when I need something in Freemarker, I Google for and refine ;) But yes, I have already an idea about what I'm looking
for, and you are right and I'm almost Out of Subject :D
>I agree that it doesn't make sense to change the index
> completely, but we may add to it. I looked at the wiki and I could add new
> pages, make changes etc. so, let's see what these newbies, including me, can
> do :-)
The difficulty is always history, what to do with it, just throw it away and begin anew?
Certainly not in the case of OFBiz documentation (and even less in the case of OFBiz applications), but I feel that I'm
misunderstanding here (O of S), you speak about the new index you created?
Jacques
> Babu.
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Re: What I would like to see
Posted by bsreekanth <ba...@yahoo.com>.
Jaques,
I disagree that the content/index/main page is same as finding it through
wiki. Of course the information is there, and people desperate to find it
may see it through search. But, as part of the discussion, the index give
the depth of available information in a logically organized way. Even David
mentioned in one of his tutorial that Freemaker has one of the best tutorial
available, and I felt the same way just looking at it. I think most of the
people get an overview looking at the contents, and decided to start looking
at it in order. I agree that it doesn't make sense to change the index
completely, but we may add to it. I looked at the wiki and I could add new
pages, make changes etc. so, let's see what these newbies, including me, can
do :-)
Babu.
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Re: What I would like to see
Posted by bsreekanth <ba...@yahoo.com>.
my bad.. there are some details already here ..
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Data+Model+Packages
I may add the information I collected somewhere there.
thanks.
Babu.
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Re: What I would like to see
Posted by bsreekanth <ba...@yahoo.com>.
Hi,
I was a software engineer by career, so I knew I could get hold of it one
day, though trying to be efficient. Also, it is difficult with ofbiz as
there are more way to do the same thing. events, actions, then
implementation in Java, Minilang, Groovy, I guess still BSH ... etc. hope we
could make it bit more fun.
About the data model, you may just need the first volume. you can check the
contents of the other two, but the second one was specific to few
industries. Not sure, whether Ofbiz took some from it. I was making some
diagrams which shows the table relations. see the attached images (Inventory
and POS tables).
http://n4.nabble.com/file/n1471670/INVENTORY_TABLES2.jpg
and POS
http://n4.nabble.com/file/n1471670/POS_TABLES2.jpg
well, these may not be perfect as there could be even more tables linked to
it. But these are helpful than individually looking at 791 tables. I could
explain the details in the wiki (like I said, don't want to repeat the
effort). Also, will update all the ones I have.
Best regards,
Babu.
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Re: What I would like to see
Posted by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys,
I think this is the issue that most people have when starting out on OFBiz.
I gave up 2 years ago, but going to give it another shot now. I am going to
buy those data modeling books.
Brendan
On 6 February 2010 20:29, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
> Hi Babu,
>
> 1) I found this very frustrating too.
> 2) I requested the site to be indexed by google, but in the meantime I
> always do my search from the search box on www.ofbiz.org. Make sure to
> prefix your search term with 'ofbiz' so you don't get back stuff from all
> apache projects.
> 3 & 4) I was amazed at how much stuff gets repeatedly answered on the
> forum. My contribution is that I put a page on the FAQ whenever I get help
> clarifying how to do something.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> bsreekanth wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
>> (debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide,
>> Packet
>> book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more documents
>> etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few things
>> I
>> noted,
>> 1. rather than the lack of information, I was stuck with the mix of
>> old//outdated and current info, which lead to distrust and extra effort.
>> 2. The documents are not indexed correctly, and cannot navigate from the
>> main wiki page. I got the below link through another website, during
>> google
>> search.
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/How+to+Setup+a+Company
>> not sure how relevant, but the point is it is wasted effort by the author,
>> and someone needed the info.
>> 3. It is amazing the level of help people get through the forum. I have
>> seen
>> almost all questions were answered on the same day. At the same time, it
>> would be much effortless if we had a properly indexed documentation.
>> Rather
>> than explaining things over and over, we should be able to point to the
>> correct section in the manual. It also help many people, if the mentor
>> doesn't see the relevant information in the document, to add the content
>> himself or raise a (Jira) issue for that.
>> 4. I myself collecting information regarding the data model, making notes
>> during my learning etc. It would be easy for me to add the content if we
>> have a skeleton of required information as mentioned by Matt. It would be
>> great if someone senior in the group can just start with an index page.
>> thanks,
>> Babu.
>>
>>
>
>
Re: What I would like to see
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
Hi Jacques, like most pages on the wiki I didn't even know that one
existed - sorry...
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I think I make it pretty clear
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Mailing+Lists#MailingLists-OFBizWikiSearch
> (there
> is also a backlink from FAQ 1st paragraph)
> 3/4: I created the FAQ for this reason, but obviously we can't put all
> in/from the FAQ
>
> It's hard to organize an open wiki, I tried many times but, as it's
> open, quickly things move and you have to begin again...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Christopher Snow" <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>
>> Hi Babu,
>>
>> 1) I found this very frustrating too.
>> 2) I requested the site to be indexed by google, but in the meantime
>> I always do my search from the search box on www.ofbiz.org.
>> Make sure to prefix your search term with 'ofbiz' so you don't get
>> back stuff from all apache projects.
>> 3 & 4) I was amazed at how much stuff gets repeatedly answered on the
>> forum. My contribution is that I put a page on the FAQ
>> whenever I get help clarifying how to do something.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> bsreekanth wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
>>> (debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide,
>>> Packet
>>> book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more
>>> documents
>>> etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few
>>> things I
>>> noted,
>>> 1. rather than the lack of information, I was stuck with the mix of
>>> old//outdated and current info, which lead to distrust and extra
>>> effort. 2. The documents are not indexed correctly, and cannot
>>> navigate from the
>>> main wiki page. I got the below link through another website, during
>>> google
>>> search.
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/How+to+Setup+a+Company
>>> not sure how relevant, but the point is it is wasted effort by the
>>> author,
>>> and someone needed the info.
>>> 3. It is amazing the level of help people get through the forum. I
>>> have seen
>>> almost all questions were answered on the same day. At the same
>>> time, it
>>> would be much effortless if we had a properly indexed documentation.
>>> Rather
>>> than explaining things over and over, we should be able to point to the
>>> correct section in the manual. It also help many people, if the mentor
>>> doesn't see the relevant information in the document, to add the
>>> content
>>> himself or raise a (Jira) issue for that.
>>> 4. I myself collecting information regarding the data model, making
>>> notes
>>> during my learning etc. It would be easy for me to add the content
>>> if we
>>> have a skeleton of required information as mentioned by Matt. It
>>> would be
>>> great if someone senior in the group can just start with an index page.
>>> thanks,
>>> Babu.
>>>
>>
>
Re: What I would like to see
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@free.fr>.
I think I make it pretty clear http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Mailing+Lists#MailingLists-OFBizWikiSearch (there
is also a backlink from FAQ 1st paragraph)
3/4: I created the FAQ for this reason, but obviously we can't put all in/from the FAQ
It's hard to organize an open wiki, I tried many times but, as it's open, quickly things move and you have to begin again...
Jacques
From: "Christopher Snow" <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>
> Hi Babu,
>
> 1) I found this very frustrating too.
> 2) I requested the site to be indexed by google, but in the meantime I always do my search from the search box on www.ofbiz.org.
> Make sure to prefix your search term with 'ofbiz' so you don't get back stuff from all apache projects.
> 3 & 4) I was amazed at how much stuff gets repeatedly answered on the forum. My contribution is that I put a page on the FAQ
> whenever I get help clarifying how to do something.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> bsreekanth wrote:
>> Hello,
>> this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
>> (debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide, Packet
>> book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more documents
>> etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few things I
>> noted,
>> 1. rather than the lack of information, I was stuck with the mix of
>> old//outdated and current info, which lead to distrust and extra effort. 2. The documents are not indexed correctly, and cannot
>> navigate from the
>> main wiki page. I got the below link through another website, during google
>> search.
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/How+to+Setup+a+Company
>> not sure how relevant, but the point is it is wasted effort by the author,
>> and someone needed the info.
>> 3. It is amazing the level of help people get through the forum. I have seen
>> almost all questions were answered on the same day. At the same time, it
>> would be much effortless if we had a properly indexed documentation. Rather
>> than explaining things over and over, we should be able to point to the
>> correct section in the manual. It also help many people, if the mentor
>> doesn't see the relevant information in the document, to add the content
>> himself or raise a (Jira) issue for that.
>> 4. I myself collecting information regarding the data model, making notes
>> during my learning etc. It would be easy for me to add the content if we
>> have a skeleton of required information as mentioned by Matt. It would be
>> great if someone senior in the group can just start with an index page.
>> thanks,
>> Babu.
>>
>
Re: What I would like to see
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
Hi Babu,
1) I found this very frustrating too.
2) I requested the site to be indexed by google, but in the meantime I
always do my search from the search box on www.ofbiz.org. Make sure to
prefix your search term with 'ofbiz' so you don't get back stuff from
all apache projects.
3 & 4) I was amazed at how much stuff gets repeatedly answered on the
forum. My contribution is that I put a page on the FAQ whenever I get
help clarifying how to do something.
Cheers,
Chris
bsreekanth wrote:
> Hello,
> this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
> (debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide, Packet
> book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more documents
> etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few things I
> noted,
> 1. rather than the lack of information, I was stuck with the mix of
> old//outdated and current info, which lead to distrust and extra effort.
> 2. The documents are not indexed correctly, and cannot navigate from the
> main wiki page. I got the below link through another website, during google
> search.
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/How+to+Setup+a+Company
> not sure how relevant, but the point is it is wasted effort by the author,
> and someone needed the info.
> 3. It is amazing the level of help people get through the forum. I have seen
> almost all questions were answered on the same day. At the same time, it
> would be much effortless if we had a properly indexed documentation. Rather
> than explaining things over and over, we should be able to point to the
> correct section in the manual. It also help many people, if the mentor
> doesn't see the relevant information in the document, to add the content
> himself or raise a (Jira) issue for that.
> 4. I myself collecting information regarding the data model, making notes
> during my learning etc. It would be easy for me to add the content if we
> have a skeleton of required information as mentioned by Matt. It would be
> great if someone senior in the group can just start with an index page.
>
> thanks,
> Babu.
>