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LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Hello,
Would it be OK to put the book cover and link to LIA2 some place on lucene.apache.org/java, say below the navigation elements on the left side of the page? I/we (authors) think it makes sense to do this -- the book is for the Lucene community after all, but wanted to check with the rest of java-dev@ before doing something that could be seen as self-promotion.
Thanks,
Otis
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
+1
On Feb 23, 2009, at 13:24, Chris Hostetter <ho...@fucit.org>
wrote:
>
> : I'm OK with LIA2 on the front page - as Erik suggests it does help
> lend
> : credibility to a project.
>
> +1 to more visibility to books focused on lucene on "official" www
> site
> pages (not just hte wiki)
>
> +1 to prominent display via a section on the main page like wicket
> currently has, with links to more info on each book (those links could
> easily go to wiki pages if we don't want to have to maintain the full
> detail pages in forrest) .. the News section is too long/outdated
> anwyay,
> so shortening it up to help make books more visible is a good thing.
>
> : So the test-case for this statement would be - what if there was a
> : terrible book published? I can't see it happening myself but you
> have to
> : ask if there is some inferred recommendation of quality on any
> links we
> : provide.
>
> site changes are commits, they (will) happen because someone submits a
> patch and someone (possibly the same person) commits. if no on
> thinks a
> book is worth promoting, no one will submit a patch. if someone does
> submit a patch, but the community concessus is that a book is bad and
> shouldn't be mentioned on the site, then the patch won't get
> committed (or
> will get rolled back if the concensus is retroactive).
>
> If each book links to a wiki page then people can be free to write
> whatever comments/opinions about books they want, even if there
> isn't a
> clear community concensus to withhold a book from the site.
>
> : > It's the only book dedicated exclusively to Lucene that I'm
> aware of, and all of
>
> What about the JP and DE books listed on the Resource page? from
> what i
> can tell, they seem to be focused entirely on Lucene. (if the goal
> is to
> promote Lucene books to promote Lucene adoption we shouldn't be
> exclusive
> to English langauge books just because english is currently the LCD
> of hte
> community)
>
>> Personal bias noted - I support putting it on the home page, and
>> also news
>> blurbs when there is activity, like when it goes to print and is
>> available in
>> hardcopy.
>
> (FWIW: i have no bias here, but i still concur)
>
>
> -Hoss
>
>
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by Chris Hostetter <ho...@fucit.org>.
: I'm OK with LIA2 on the front page - as Erik suggests it does help lend
: credibility to a project.
+1 to more visibility to books focused on lucene on "official" www site
pages (not just hte wiki)
+1 to prominent display via a section on the main page like wicket
currently has, with links to more info on each book (those links could
easily go to wiki pages if we don't want to have to maintain the full
detail pages in forrest) .. the News section is too long/outdated anwyay,
so shortening it up to help make books more visible is a good thing.
: So the test-case for this statement would be - what if there was a
: terrible book published? I can't see it happening myself but you have to
: ask if there is some inferred recommendation of quality on any links we
: provide.
site changes are commits, they (will) happen because someone submits a
patch and someone (possibly the same person) commits. if no on thinks a
book is worth promoting, no one will submit a patch. if someone does
submit a patch, but the community concessus is that a book is bad and
shouldn't be mentioned on the site, then the patch won't get committed (or
will get rolled back if the concensus is retroactive).
If each book links to a wiki page then people can be free to write
whatever comments/opinions about books they want, even if there isn't a
clear community concensus to withhold a book from the site.
: > It's the only book dedicated exclusively to Lucene that I'm aware of, and all of
What about the JP and DE books listed on the Resource page? from what i
can tell, they seem to be focused entirely on Lucene. (if the goal is to
promote Lucene books to promote Lucene adoption we shouldn't be exclusive
to English langauge books just because english is currently the LCD of hte
community)
> Personal bias noted - I support putting it on the home page, and also news
> blurbs when there is activity, like when it goes to print and is available in
> hardcopy.
(FWIW: i have no bias here, but i still concur)
-Hoss
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by mark harwood <ma...@yahoo.co.uk>.
I'm OK with LIA2 on the front page - as Erik suggests it does help lend credibility to a project.
I encounter organisations who are nervous about buying into an open-source solution and having books up there on the home page immediately helps establish the following:
1) The APIs are stable enough to warrant published documentation
2) There is a reasonable level of adoption in the market
3) There is material available to support new users if they get stuck
>>When new books focused exclusively on Lucene emerge they should get the same treatment, in my opinion.
So the test-case for this statement would be - what if there was a terrible book published? I can't see it happening myself but you have to ask if there is some inferred recommendation of quality on any links we provide.
----- Original Message ----
From: Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>
To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
Sent: Friday, 20 February, 2009 13:50:51
Subject: Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
I think Erik put it well. I'd agree with that thinking even if I were not the co-author. Listing LIA2 on the Wiki is good (and done), but my fear is that only some people will find it there. I think showing LIA2 on the main page and making it a bit stickier than a regular news item is a way to help Lucene users find it quickly. When new books focused exclusively on Lucene emerge they should get the same treatment, in my opinion.
Otis
----- Original Message ----
> From: Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>
> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:27:40 PM
> Subject: Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote:
> > Isn't that what http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/Resources is for? I like
> LIA as much as the next person, but if we do it for LIA2 then it opens the door
> for others
> (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Lucene&x=0&y=0)
> which will likely clutter the page quite a bit.
>
> There is precedent. Other books do make it to Apache sites. iBatis has the
> Manning cover in the lower-left sidebar: . Wicket
> has three big book covers: . Struts more subtly:
> . ActiveMQ has a news blurb with big book cover:
>
>
> As for other books making it there... that'd be fine by me to have a few book
> covers shown on the home page. I imagine we won't hear other authors even
> asking.
>
> > I just don't think we can imply that LIA2 is the "official book on Lucene".
>
> It's the only book dedicated exclusively to Lucene that I'm aware of, and all of
> the co-authors are committers/PMC members and active members of the community.
> It's about as "official" as it gets.
>
> Books on open source projects lend a great deal of credibility and I've seen
> first hand that they are used as deciding factors when choosing a technology. A
> book means it is mature and has a good following.
>
> Personal bias noted - I support putting it on the home page, and also news
> blurbs when there is activity, like when it goes to print and is available in
> hardcopy.
>
> Erik
>
>
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
I think Erik put it well. I'd agree with that thinking even if I were not the co-author. Listing LIA2 on the Wiki is good (and done), but my fear is that only some people will find it there. I think showing LIA2 on the main page and making it a bit stickier than a regular news item is a way to help Lucene users find it quickly. When new books focused exclusively on Lucene emerge they should get the same treatment, in my opinion.
Otis
----- Original Message ----
> From: Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>
> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:27:40 PM
> Subject: Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote:
> > Isn't that what http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/Resources is for? I like
> LIA as much as the next person, but if we do it for LIA2 then it opens the door
> for others
> (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Lucene&x=0&y=0)
> which will likely clutter the page quite a bit.
>
> There is precedent. Other books do make it to Apache sites. iBatis has the
> Manning cover in the lower-left sidebar: . Wicket
> has three big book covers: . Struts more subtly:
> . ActiveMQ has a news blurb with big book cover:
>
>
> As for other books making it there... that'd be fine by me to have a few book
> covers shown on the home page. I imagine we won't hear other authors even
> asking.
>
> > I just don't think we can imply that LIA2 is the "official book on Lucene".
>
> It's the only book dedicated exclusively to Lucene that I'm aware of, and all of
> the co-authors are committers/PMC members and active members of the community.
> It's about as "official" as it gets.
>
> Books on open source projects lend a great deal of credibility and I've seen
> first hand that they are used as deciding factors when choosing a technology. A
> book means it is mature and has a good following.
>
> Personal bias noted - I support putting it on the home page, and also news
> blurbs when there is activity, like when it goes to print and is available in
> hardcopy.
>
> Erik
>
>
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote:
> Isn't that what http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/Resources is
> for? I like LIA as much as the next person, but if we do it for
> LIA2 then it opens the door for others (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Lucene&x=0&y=0
> ) which will likely clutter the page quite a bit.
There is precedent. Other books do make it to Apache sites. iBatis
has the Manning cover in the lower-left sidebar: <http://ibatis.apache.org/
>. Wicket has three big book covers: <http://wicket.apache.org/>.
Struts more subtly: <http://struts.apache.org/>. ActiveMQ has a news
blurb with big book cover: <http://activemq.apache.org/>
As for other books making it there... that'd be fine by me to have a
few book covers shown on the home page. I imagine we won't hear other
authors even asking.
> I just don't think we can imply that LIA2 is the "official book on
> Lucene".
It's the only book dedicated exclusively to Lucene that I'm aware of,
and all of the co-authors are committers/PMC members and active
members of the community. It's about as "official" as it gets.
Books on open source projects lend a great deal of credibility and
I've seen first hand that they are used as deciding factors when
choosing a technology. A book means it is mature and has a good
following.
Personal bias noted - I support putting it on the home page, and also
news blurbs when there is activity, like when it goes to print and is
available in hardcopy.
Erik
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Re: LIA2 on l.a.o/java OK?
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
Isn't that what http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/Resources is for?
I like LIA as much as the next person, but if we do it for LIA2 then
it opens the door for others (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Lucene&x=0&y=0
) which will likely clutter the page quite a bit.
Maybe an alternative is to more prominently link the book section of
the Resources page from the main site? I could see adding a "Books on
Lucene" menu item and maybe even having a separate Wiki page for books
if you want.
I'm also totally for any and all authors submitting "News Item"
patches to the front page, so it would be totally appropriate to link
it there (in fact, that will give you more prominence anyway). I just
don't think we can imply that LIA2 is the "official book on Lucene".
-Grant
On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Would it be OK to put the book cover and link to LIA2 some place on
> lucene.apache.org/java, say below the navigation elements on the
> left side of the page? I/we (authors) think it makes sense to do
> this -- the book is for the Lucene community after all, but wanted
> to check with the rest of java-dev@ before doing something that
> could be seen as self-promotion.
>
> Thanks,
> Otis
>
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