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Operating system requirement
Under requirements [1], we're stating the following:
"No minimum requirement. On Windows, Windows NT and above or Cygwin is
required for the startup scripts. Tested on Windows XP, Fedora Core and Mac
OS X."
What exactly are we trying to say with the "On Windows, Windows NT and
above or Cygwin is required for the startup scripts." sentence? is it just
me or is the English weird?
Also, what is tested on WinXP, Fedora and Mac? Is it Maven which is tested
on these platforms, or the startup scripts? AFAIK we have no CI IT builds
on Fedora. But we have it on Ubuntu. Also, should we state Mac even though
we don't have CI IT builds on Mac? I know we're several devs on Mac though.
/Anders
[1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>.
Well, I was not aiming att create more work. Just make sure the stated info
is correct (and understandable).
As it is right now I don't understand what we're trying to say.
/Anders
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mirko Friedenhagen <mfriedenhagen@gmail.com
> wrote:
> What about collecting data from users via a Google form?
>
> Maven version, OS and JDKs as checkboxes come to my mind :-)
>
> I would guess Windows NT is not used that often nowadays (at least for Java
> development).
>
> Regards
> Mirko
> --
> Sent from my mobile
> On Mar 25, 2014 10:42 PM, "Anders Hammar" <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
>
> > Under requirements [1], we're stating the following:
> >
> > "No minimum requirement. On Windows, Windows NT and above or Cygwin is
> > required for the startup scripts. Tested on Windows XP, Fedora Core and
> Mac
> > OS X."
> >
> > What exactly are we trying to say with the "On Windows, Windows NT and
> > above or Cygwin is required for the startup scripts." sentence? is it
> just
> > me or is the English weird?
> >
> > Also, what is tested on WinXP, Fedora and Mac? Is it Maven which is
> tested
> > on these platforms, or the startup scripts? AFAIK we have no CI IT builds
> > on Fedora. But we have it on Ubuntu. Also, should we state Mac even
> though
> > we don't have CI IT builds on Mac? I know we're several devs on Mac
> though.
> >
> > /Anders
> >
> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
> >
>
Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Mirko Friedenhagen <mf...@gmail.com>.
What about collecting data from users via a Google form?
Maven version, OS and JDKs as checkboxes come to my mind :-)
I would guess Windows NT is not used that often nowadays (at least for Java
development).
Regards
Mirko
--
Sent from my mobile
On Mar 25, 2014 10:42 PM, "Anders Hammar" <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> Under requirements [1], we're stating the following:
>
> "No minimum requirement. On Windows, Windows NT and above or Cygwin is
> required for the startup scripts. Tested on Windows XP, Fedora Core and Mac
> OS X."
>
> What exactly are we trying to say with the "On Windows, Windows NT and
> above or Cygwin is required for the startup scripts." sentence? is it just
> me or is the English weird?
>
> Also, what is tested on WinXP, Fedora and Mac? Is it Maven which is tested
> on these platforms, or the startup scripts? AFAIK we have no CI IT builds
> on Fedora. But we have it on Ubuntu. Also, should we state Mac even though
> we don't have CI IT builds on Mac? I know we're several devs on Mac though.
>
> /Anders
>
> [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
>
Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Baptiste Mathus <bm...@batmat.net>.
+1, my repo is about 1.3GB so saying "500+ MB or more depending on your
usage" seems sensible.
2014-03-28 13:09 GMT+01:00 Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>:
> > The requirements also says:
> >
> > "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
> > your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
> >
> > AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
> > basic set of plugins.
> > And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
> > tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
> >
> > 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or more.
> >
>
> So you think we should change to for example:
> "Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
> addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local Maven
> repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on usage
> but calculate for at least 500MB."
>
> Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is even
> smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
>
> My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at least
> 500MB.
>
> ok?
>
> /Anders
>
>
> >
> > > /Anders
> > >
> > > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
> >
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>.
This is what I ended up writing in there:
"Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local Maven
repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on usage
but expect at least 500MB."
If you think it should be worded differently, please add that to the ticket!
/Anders
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Fred Cooke <fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A minimum is just that, a minimum! My repo is 600 meg, but I have a stack
> of *dependencies* in there... A minimum should not include *user*
> dependency guesswork, it should only include what a default hello-world
> project with NO deps outside the default near-empty pom produces when run
> through most or all of the phases and goals. Someone start with nothing and
> build such a project in N ways until there are none left, then du -hs ~/.m2
> and see what you get. Calling it the "500" because that's what an average
> dev might have (with or without snapshots?) is silly, however warning in
> appropriate words that in real-world use it will probably reach half a gig,
> and often reach as much as 2 gig, is useful. Maven by nature and by design
> is incomplete, calling the minimum 5 is an equal sin. Only once maven has
> downloaded itself is it reasonable to state a minimum. Additionally, all of
> the above is misleading, it's actually more like this: min usable/used
> size = maven + (numUsers * pluginsAndTheirDeps)... which for a single user
> simplifies out to maven + pluginsAndTheirDeps ~= 100? Too much said, but
> the inaccuracy in this thread was too much, also.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
>
> > Handled in ticket MNG-5610.
> >
> > /Anders
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 28 March 2014 12:09, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> > > >> The requirements also says:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
> > > >> your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage
> ..."
> > > >>
> > > >> AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
> > > >> basic set of plugins.
> > > >> And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
> > > >> tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
> > > >>
> > > >> 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or
> > more.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > So you think we should change to for example:
> > > > "Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
> > > > addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local
> > Maven
> > > > repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on
> > > usage
> > > > but calculate for at least 500MB."
> > > >
> > > > Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is
> > even
> > > > smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
> > > >
> > > > My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at
> > least
> > > > 500MB.
> > > >
> > > > ok?
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > > /Anders
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> > /Anders
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Fred Cooke <fr...@gmail.com>.
A minimum is just that, a minimum! My repo is 600 meg, but I have a stack
of *dependencies* in there... A minimum should not include *user*
dependency guesswork, it should only include what a default hello-world
project with NO deps outside the default near-empty pom produces when run
through most or all of the phases and goals. Someone start with nothing and
build such a project in N ways until there are none left, then du -hs ~/.m2
and see what you get. Calling it the "500" because that's what an average
dev might have (with or without snapshots?) is silly, however warning in
appropriate words that in real-world use it will probably reach half a gig,
and often reach as much as 2 gig, is useful. Maven by nature and by design
is incomplete, calling the minimum 5 is an equal sin. Only once maven has
downloaded itself is it reasonable to state a minimum. Additionally, all of
the above is misleading, it's actually more like this: min usable/used
size = maven + (numUsers * pluginsAndTheirDeps)... which for a single user
simplifies out to maven + pluginsAndTheirDeps ~= 100? Too much said, but
the inaccuracy in this thread was too much, also.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> Handled in ticket MNG-5610.
>
> /Anders
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 28 March 2014 12:09, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> > >> The requirements also says:
> > >>
> > >> "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
> > >> your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
> > >>
> > >> AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
> > >> basic set of plugins.
> > >> And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
> > >> tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
> > >>
> > >> 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or
> more.
> > >>
> > >
> > > So you think we should change to for example:
> > > "Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
> > > addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local
> Maven
> > > repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on
> > usage
> > > but calculate for at least 500MB."
> > >
> > > Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is
> even
> > > smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
> > >
> > > My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at
> least
> > > 500MB.
> > >
> > > ok?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > /Anders
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> > /Anders
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
> > >>
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>.
Handled in ticket MNG-5610.
/Anders
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 March 2014 12:09, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> >> The requirements also says:
> >>
> >> "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
> >> your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
> >>
> >> AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
> >> basic set of plugins.
> >> And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
> >> tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
> >>
> >> 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or more.
> >>
> >
> > So you think we should change to for example:
> > "Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
> > addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local Maven
> > repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on
> usage
> > but calculate for at least 500MB."
> >
> > Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is even
> > smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
> >
> > My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at least
> > 500MB.
> >
> > ok?
>
> +1
>
> > /Anders
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > /Anders
> >> >
> >> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
> >>
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 28 March 2014 12:09, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
>> The requirements also says:
>>
>> "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
>> your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
>>
>> AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
>> basic set of plugins.
>> And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
>> tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
>>
>> 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or more.
>>
>
> So you think we should change to for example:
> "Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
> addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local Maven
> repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on usage
> but calculate for at least 500MB."
>
> Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is even
> smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
>
> My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at least
> 500MB.
>
> ok?
+1
> /Anders
>
>
>>
>> > /Anders
>> >
>> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
>>
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>.
> The requirements also says:
>
> "Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
> your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
>
> AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
> basic set of plugins.
> And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
> tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
>
> 100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or more.
>
So you think we should change to for example:
"Approximately 10MB is required for the Maven installation itself. In
addition to that, additional disk space will be used for your local Maven
repository. The size of your local repository will vary depending on usage
but calculate for at least 500MB."
Maven 3.2.1 is around 8MB, but Maven 3.0 is around 3.5MB and 2.x is even
smaller. Stating approx 10MB will give us some space.
My local repo is 1.5GB so I'm guessing an average dev would need at least
500MB.
ok?
/Anders
>
> > /Anders
> >
> > [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
>
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 25 March 2014 21:42, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> Under requirements [1], we're stating the following:
>
> "No minimum requirement. On Windows, Windows NT and above or Cygwin is
> required for the startup scripts. Tested on Windows XP, Fedora Core and Mac
> OS X."
>
> What exactly are we trying to say with the "On Windows, Windows NT and
> above or Cygwin is required for the startup scripts." sentence? is it just
> me or is the English weird?
>
> Also, what is tested on WinXP, Fedora and Mac? Is it Maven which is tested
> on these platforms, or the startup scripts? AFAIK we have no CI IT builds
> on Fedora. But we have it on Ubuntu. Also, should we state Mac even though
> we don't have CI IT builds on Mac? I know we're several devs on Mac though.
The requirements also says:
"Disk No minimum requirement. Approximately 100MB will be used for
your local repository, however this will vary depending on usage ..."
AFAICT there _is_ a minimum requirement which is needed to store a
basic set of plugins.
And of course there is the Maven application itself, though that is
tiny (under 6Mb for 3.0.5)
100MB is quite a small repository; they can easily grow to 1GB or more.
> /Anders
>
> [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
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Re: Operating system requirement
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
I don't know when this sentence was written, but it is undoubtely out of date
I think this can be changed without much fear
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 25 mars 2014 22:42:16 Anders Hammar a écrit :
> Under requirements [1], we're stating the following:
>
> "No minimum requirement. On Windows, Windows NT and above or Cygwin is
> required for the startup scripts. Tested on Windows XP, Fedora Core and Mac
> OS X."
>
> What exactly are we trying to say with the "On Windows, Windows NT and
> above or Cygwin is required for the startup scripts." sentence? is it just
> me or is the English weird?
>
> Also, what is tested on WinXP, Fedora and Mac? Is it Maven which is tested
> on these platforms, or the startup scripts? AFAIK we have no CI IT builds
> on Fedora. But we have it on Ubuntu. Also, should we state Mac even though
> we don't have CI IT builds on Mac? I know we're several devs on Mac though.
>
> /Anders
>
> [1] http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi#Requirements
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