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Posted to commits@ofbiz.apache.org by jl...@apache.org on 2009/05/03 01:37:09 UTC
svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Author: jleroux
Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
New Revision: 770996
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
Log:
If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
Modified:
ofbiz/site/index.html
Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
+++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
@@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
<li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/" target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
<li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
</ul>
-
+ <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
+ <ul class="sidemenu">
+ <li><script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></script></li>
+ </ul>
</div>
<!-- sidebar -->
</div>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Just so it's clear, don't toss it away as it's really good information ... just want to find a proper place for it.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> Jacques, I like the idea, but putting more information is not what we
> need on this home page IMHO. I'd rathe that not be there and not
> throw off the concise look and feel that's going on. Thoughts from
> others?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Vikas Mayur" <vi...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>
> > This is interesting, Jacques :)
> >
> > Vikas
> >
> > On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
> >
> > > Author: jleroux
> > > Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> > > New Revision: 770996
> > >
> > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> > > Log:
> > > If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
> > >
> > > Modified:
> > > ofbiz/site/index.html
> > >
> > > Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> > > URL:
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > > =
> > >
> >
> ======================================================================
> > > --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> > > +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> > > @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> > > <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
>
> > > Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>
> >
> > > target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
> > href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB
> > > " target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
> > > <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
>
> > > href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and
>
> >
> > > <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
> target="_blank">HotWax
> >
> > > Media</a></li>
> > > </ul>
> > > -
> > > + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> > > + <ul class="sidemenu">
> > > + <li><script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js
> > > "></script></li>
> > > + </ul>
> > > </div>
> > > <!-- sidebar -->
> > > </div>
> > >
> > >
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Jacques, I like the idea, but putting more information is not what we need on this home page IMHO. I'd rathe that not be there and not throw off the concise look and feel that's going on. Thoughts from others?
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Vikas Mayur" <vi...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> This is interesting, Jacques :)
>
> Vikas
>
> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
>
> > Author: jleroux
> > Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> > New Revision: 770996
> >
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> > Log:
> > If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
> >
> > Modified:
> > ofbiz/site/index.html
> >
> > Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> > URL:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> > =
> > =
> > =
> > =
> > =
> > =
> > =
> > =
> >
> ======================================================================
> > --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> > +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> > @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> > <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
> > Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>
> > target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB
> > " target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
> > <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
> > href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and
>
> > <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>
> > Media</a></li>
> > </ul>
> > -
> > + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> > + <ul class="sidemenu">
> > + <li><script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js
> > "></script></li>
> > + </ul>
> > </div>
> > <!-- sidebar -->
> > </div>
> >
> >
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Vikas Mayur <vi...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
This is interesting, Jacques :)
Vikas
On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
> Author: jleroux
> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> New Revision: 770996
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> Log:
> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>
> Modified:
> ofbiz/site/index.html
>
> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> ======================================================================
> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB
> " target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and
> <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
> Media</a></li>
> </ul>
> -
> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> + <ul class="sidemenu">
> + <li><script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js
> "></script></li>
> + </ul>
> </div>
> <!-- sidebar -->
> </div>
>
>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <vi...@gmail.com>.
Very good info........ Thanks Vikas for pointing it out.
I skipped this commit by keeping thought in mind like you are adding some
service provider detail or some news is there.
--
Ashish
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:07 AM, <jl...@apache.org> wrote:
> Author: jleroux
> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> New Revision: 770996
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> Log:
> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>
> Modified:
> ofbiz/site/index.html
>
> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> URL:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
>
> ==============================================================================
> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API Site, and
> Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a href="
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a href="
> http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and <a href="
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax Media</a></li>
> </ul>
> -
> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> + <ul class="sidemenu">
> + <li><script type="text/javascript" src="
> http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></script></li>
> + </ul>
> </div>
> <!-- sidebar -->
> </div>
>
>
>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Thanks Jacques - much appreciated. I went in there to do this, but since I commit to framework, I'm going to wait for you to knock this out.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> I thought it could be interesting from a "marketing" POV to have this
> "information" on the main page. And yes we can't do anything
> about he layout (js embedded).
> But of course, a wiki page with a link from the main page would be far
> enough. I have no time to take care of this right now, but
> will do it ASAP...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >I still think we need to remove this from the home page and embed it
> somewhere else in our enterprise - maybe on the Wiki or
> >something like that. It doesn't exactly need to be on the front
> page, and frankly, as I stated before, kinda mucks with the
> >layout.
> >
> > If there are not an excessive amount of people clamoring to have
> this somewhat fictitious information on our homepage, can we
> > please migrate it somewhere else?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Ruppert
> > HotWax Media
> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> > o:801.649.6594
> > f:801.649.6595
> >
> > ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't say anything about their method but
> >> https://www.ohloh.net/wiki/project_codebase_cost
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "David E Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >> > It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they
> are
> >>
> >> > assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year),
> and
> >> > about 2 lines of code per hour.
> >> >
> >> > The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
> >> > actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact
> there
> >> have
> >> > been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been
> >> thrown
> >> > away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
> >> > introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on
> the
> >> > business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true
> for
> >> the
> >> > first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled
> >> down,
> >> > but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy,
> and
> >>
> >> > some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
> >> > average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it
> at
> >>
> >> > any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The
> >> thing
> >> > is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along
> at 2
> >>
> >> > lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along
> with
> >>
> >> > development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often
> spend
> >>
> >> > 5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and
> collaborating
> >> with
> >> > the community about something as I do actually coding
> (especially
> >> > recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the
> project
> >> is
> >> > so big).
> >> >
> >> > -David
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Missed the original email.
> >> >> but I have one reality check.
> >> >> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7
> people
> >> were
> >> >> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3
> years
> >> 10
> >> >> people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80
> people
> >> >> worked
> >> >> on it for the last 2 years.
> >> >> what do yo think.
> >> >>
> >> >> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
> >> >>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Vikas
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Author: jleroux
> >> >>>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> >> >>>> New Revision: 770996
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> >> >>>> Log:
> >> >>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Modified:
> >> >>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> >> >>>> URL:
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>>
> >>
> ====================================================================
> >> >>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> >> >>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> >> >>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> >> >>>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs,
> API
> >> >>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a
> >> href="http://www.contegix.com/"
> >> >>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
> >> target="_blank">HotWax
> >> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >> >>>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by
> <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/"
> target="_blank">Brainfood</a>
> >> and
> >> >>>> <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
> >> target="_blank">HotWax
> >> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >> >>>> </ul>
> >> >>>> -
> >> >>>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> >> >>>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
> >> >>>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
> >> >>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></
> >> >>>> script></li>
> >> >>>> + </ul>
> >> >>>> </div>
> >> >>>> <!-- sidebar -->
> >> >>>> </div>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> BJ Freeman
> >> >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
> >> >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
> >> >> Systems Integrator.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Tim,
I thought it could be interesting from a "marketing" POV to have this "information" on the main page. And yes we can't do anything
about he layout (js embedded).
But of course, a wiki page with a link from the main page would be far enough. I have no time to take care of this right now, but
will do it ASAP...
Jacques
From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>I still think we need to remove this from the home page and embed it somewhere else in our enterprise - maybe on the Wiki or
>something like that. It doesn't exactly need to be on the front page, and frankly, as I stated before, kinda mucks with the
>layout.
>
> If there are not an excessive amount of people clamoring to have this somewhat fictitious information on our homepage, can we
> please migrate it somewhere else?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't say anything about their method but
>> https://www.ohloh.net/wiki/project_codebase_cost
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "David E Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> > It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they are
>>
>> > assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year), and
>> > about 2 lines of code per hour.
>> >
>> > The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
>> > actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact there
>> have
>> > been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been
>> thrown
>> > away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
>> > introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on the
>> > business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true for
>> the
>> > first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled
>> down,
>> > but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy, and
>>
>> > some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
>> >
>> > Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
>> > average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it at
>>
>> > any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The
>> thing
>> > is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along at 2
>>
>> > lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along with
>>
>> > development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often spend
>>
>> > 5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and collaborating
>> with
>> > the community about something as I do actually coding (especially
>> > recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the project
>> is
>> > so big).
>> >
>> > -David
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >
>> >> Missed the original email.
>> >> but I have one reality check.
>> >> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7 people
>> were
>> >> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3 years
>> 10
>> >> people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80 people
>> >> worked
>> >> on it for the last 2 years.
>> >> what do yo think.
>> >>
>> >> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
>> >>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Vikas
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Author: jleroux
>> >>>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>> >>>> New Revision: 770996
>> >>>>
>> >>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
>> >>>> Log:
>> >>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Modified:
>> >>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>> >>>> URL:
>> >>>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
>> >>>>
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>> =
>> >>>>
>> ====================================================================
>> >>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>> >>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>> >>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
>> >>>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
>> >>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a
>> href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>> >>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
>> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
>> target="_blank">HotWax
>> >>>> Media</a></li>
>> >>>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
>> >>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a>
>> and
>> >>>> <a
>> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
>> target="_blank">HotWax
>> >>>> Media</a></li>
>> >>>> </ul>
>> >>>> -
>> >>>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
>> >>>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
>> >>>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
>> >>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></
>> >>>> script></li>
>> >>>> + </ul>
>> >>>> </div>
>> >>>> <!-- sidebar -->
>> >>>> </div>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> BJ Freeman
>> >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
>> >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
>> >>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
>> >> Systems Integrator.
>> >>
>> >
>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I still think we need to remove this from the home page and embed it somewhere else in our enterprise - maybe on the Wiki or something like that. It doesn't exactly need to be on the front page, and frankly, as I stated before, kinda mucks with the layout.
If there are not an excessive amount of people clamoring to have this somewhat fictitious information on our homepage, can we please migrate it somewhere else?
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> I can't say anything about their method but
> https://www.ohloh.net/wiki/project_codebase_cost
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "David E Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> > It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they are
>
> > assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year), and
> > about 2 lines of code per hour.
> >
> > The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
> > actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact there
> have
> > been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been
> thrown
> > away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
> > introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on the
> > business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true for
> the
> > first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled
> down,
> > but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy, and
>
> > some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
> >
> > Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
> > average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it at
>
> > any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The
> thing
> > is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along at 2
>
> > lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along with
>
> > development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often spend
>
> > 5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and collaborating
> with
> > the community about something as I do actually coding (especially
> > recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the project
> is
> > so big).
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> Missed the original email.
> >> but I have one reality check.
> >> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7 people
> were
> >> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3 years
> 10
> >> people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80 people
> >> worked
> >> on it for the last 2 years.
> >> what do yo think.
> >>
> >> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
> >>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
> >>>
> >>> Vikas
> >>>
> >>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Author: jleroux
> >>>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> >>>> New Revision: 770996
> >>>>
> >>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> >>>> Log:
> >>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
> >>>>
> >>>> Modified:
> >>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> >>>> URL:
> >>>>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> >>>>
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>> =
> >>>>
> ====================================================================
> >>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> >>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
> >>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> >>>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
> >>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a
> href="http://www.contegix.com/"
> >>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
> target="_blank">HotWax
> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >>>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
> >>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a>
> and
> >>>> <a
> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB"
> target="_blank">HotWax
> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >>>> </ul>
> >>>> -
> >>>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> >>>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
> >>>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
> >>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></
> >>>> script></li>
> >>>> + </ul>
> >>>> </div>
> >>>> <!-- sidebar -->
> >>>> </div>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> BJ Freeman
> >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
> >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
> >>
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
> >> Systems Integrator.
> >>
> >
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I can't say anything about their method but https://www.ohloh.net/wiki/project_codebase_cost
Jacques
From: "David E Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they are
> assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year), and
> about 2 lines of code per hour.
>
> The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
> actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact there have
> been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been thrown
> away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
> introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on the
> business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true for the
> first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled down,
> but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy, and
> some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
>
> Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
> average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it at
> any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The thing
> is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along at 2
> lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along with
> development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often spend
> 5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and collaborating with
> the community about something as I do actually coding (especially
> recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the project is
> so big).
>
> -David
>
>
> On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> Missed the original email.
>> but I have one reality check.
>> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7 people were
>> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3 years 10
>> people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80 people
>> worked
>> on it for the last 2 years.
>> what do yo think.
>>
>> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
>>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
>>>
>>> Vikas
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>>>> New Revision: 770996
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
>>>> Log:
>>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>> URL:
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> =
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
>>>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
>>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
>>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>>>> Media</a></li>
>>>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
>>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and
>>>> <a
>>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>>>> Media</a></li>
>>>> </ul>
>>>> -
>>>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
>>>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
>>>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
>>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></
>>>> script></li>
>>>> + </ul>
>>>> </div>
>>>> <!-- sidebar -->
>>>> </div>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> BJ Freeman
>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
>> Systems Integrator.
>>
>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they are
assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year), and
about 2 lines of code per hour.
The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact there have
been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been thrown
away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on the
business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true for the
first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled down,
but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy, and
some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it at
any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The thing
is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along at 2
lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along with
development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often spend
5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and collaborating with
the community about something as I do actually coding (especially
recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the project is
so big).
-David
On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> Missed the original email.
> but I have one reality check.
> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7 people were
> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3 years 10
> people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80 people
> worked
> on it for the last 2 years.
> what do yo think.
>
> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
>>
>> Vikas
>>
>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
>>
>>> Author: jleroux
>>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>>> New Revision: 770996
>>>
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
>>> Log:
>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>
>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>> URL:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
>>>
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> =
>>> ====================================================================
>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
>>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>>> Media</a></li>
>>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and
>>> <a
>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>>> Media</a></li>
>>> </ul>
>>> -
>>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
>>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
>>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></
>>> script></li>
>>> + </ul>
>>> </div>
>>> <!-- sidebar -->
>>> </div>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> BJ Freeman
> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
> Systems Integrator.
>
Re: svn commit: r770996 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
Missed the original email.
but I have one reality check.
193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7 people were
working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3 years 10
people worked on it, which is 30 man years that means 80 people worked
on it for the last 2 years.
what do yo think.
Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
> This is interesting, Jacques :)
>
> Vikas
>
> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jleroux@apache.org wrote:
>
>> Author: jleroux
>> Date: Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>> New Revision: 770996
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
>> Log:
>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
>>
>> Modified:
>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>
>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>> URL:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
>>
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> ======================================================================
>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May 2 23:02:10 2009
>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
>> <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs, API
>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a href="http://www.contegix.com/"
>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>> Media</a></li>
>> <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by <a
>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/" target="_blank">Brainfood</a> and <a
>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB" target="_blank">HotWax
>> Media</a></li>
>> </ul>
>> -
>> + <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
>> + <ul class="sidemenu">
>> + <li><script type="text/javascript"
>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js"></script></li>
>> + </ul>
>> </div>
>> <!-- sidebar -->
>> </div>
>>
>>
>
--
BJ Freeman
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
Systems Integrator.