[RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

we still have problems with our public build bots, a problem that we
should address immediately. Nevertheless would I like to propose that we
start a developer snapshot build based on revision 1400796.

I am currently build MacOS and Windows and I hope that the revision will
build on both platform without error. And that it will build on Linux as
well.

I added 5 further languages (gd da pl ko nb) to make them available for
our new volunteers to review and check the result of their translations
or to simply review what's already there.

In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.

@Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? In case you are not
able for whatever reason please let us know and we have to find an
alternative. I really hope that we can use build bots in the near future
for providing the snapshot builds.

Regards
Juergen

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>]

Heck!


----- Original Message -----
> From: Jürgen Schmidt

>> 
>>  In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.
> 
> ok, I detected the first problem. With the new updated tomcat version
> the servlet-api.jar is not delivered correctly and the build breaks
> under MacOS and Windows.
> 

Sorry, don't know how I got everything building fine in my system without
that change :(.

FWIW, it's over now ... Tomcat will have no further 5.5 releases.

Pedro.

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/22/12 1:57 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> we still have problems with our public build bots, a problem that we
> should address immediately. Nevertheless would I like to propose that we
> start a developer snapshot build based on revision 1400796.
> 
> I am currently build MacOS and Windows and I hope that the revision will
> build on both platform without error. And that it will build on Linux as
> well.
> 
> I added 5 further languages (gd da pl ko nb) to make them available for
> our new volunteers to review and check the result of their translations
> or to simply review what's already there.
> 
> In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.

ok, I detected the first problem. With the new updated tomcat version
the servlet-api.jar is not delivered correctly and the build breaks
under MacOS and Windows.

I start a new build with revision 1400866 and will let you know when it
builds successful and if we will use it for the dev build.

Juergen

> 
> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? In case you are not
> able for whatever reason please let us know and we have to find an
> alternative. I really hope that we can use build bots in the near future
> for providing the snapshot builds.
> 
> Regards
> Juergen
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>]

On 23.10.2012 10:02, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/22/12 6:19 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> we provide snapshot only every 2 weeks or every 4 weeks, maybe we should
>>> provide full install sets. But we can easy change that if it doesn't work.
>>>
>>> Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
>>> proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
>>> data for the upload for you.
>>
>> I have no problems as long as we use the same switches and system base.
>
> Well Herbert knows for sure but he builds on RedHat Enterprise Linux 6
> and I hope with the same switches ;-) Will check it ..

My options to run a production system in our network are limited to a 
specialized release of RHEL6, which doesn't support mingw-*, so no, I 
cannot run the same switches as the ones Ariel documented in the wiki 
page on dev-snapshot.

Also Ariel is using RHEL5/CentOS5 which is preferable for compatibility 
options. If I had to build the most compatible release that would be my 
option too if it were not for the constraints hinted at above. It would 
be possible to setup special virtual machines without any network 
connection that had more liberties, but I'm not sure if jumping through 
all those hoops would be all that wise.

Other than that I think that for our unix/bsd-platforms the package 
format "archive" (a.k.a. tar.gz) would be a good idea for dev-snapshot 
builds without system integration. They are very easy to unpack, test, 
compare and are easily removable in the most clean way.

Herbert

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/23/12 1:41 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
>>>> proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
>>>> data for the upload for you.
>>>
>>> I have no problems as long as we use the same switches and system base.
>>
>> Well Herbert knows for sure but he builds on RedHat Enterprise Linux 6
>> and I hope with the same switches ;-) Will check it ..
> 
> I'm building on CentOS 5 (RHEL 5), due to bug
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385
> 
>>> are you planning full install sets + language packs for every language?
>>
>> no, only full install sets
> 
> we should upload at least the en-US language pack, it is very useful
> to have a default en-US installation too, that you can launch with
> -env:UserInstallation=DIR to compare translated UI with the original.

ok, let us upload the en-US language pack as well

Juergen

> 
> 
> Regards
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>]

Hi

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
>>> proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
>>> data for the upload for you.
>>
>> I have no problems as long as we use the same switches and system base.
>
> Well Herbert knows for sure but he builds on RedHat Enterprise Linux 6
> and I hope with the same switches ;-) Will check it ..

I'm building on CentOS 5 (RHEL 5), due to bug
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385

>> are you planning full install sets + language packs for every language?
>
> no, only full install sets

we should upload at least the en-US language pack, it is very useful
to have a default en-US installation too, that you can launch with
-env:UserInstallation=DIR to compare translated UI with the original.


Regards

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/22/12 6:19 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> we provide snapshot only every 2 weeks or every 4 weeks, maybe we should
>> provide full install sets. But we can easy change that if it doesn't work.
>>
>> Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
>> proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
>> data for the upload for you.
> 
> I have no problems as long as we use the same switches and system base.

Well Herbert knows for sure but he builds on RedHat Enterprise Linux 6
and I hope with the same switches ;-) Will check it ..

> 
> are you planning full install sets + language packs for every language?

no, only full install sets

Juergen

> 
> 
> Regards
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> we provide snapshot only every 2 weeks or every 4 weeks, maybe we should
> provide full install sets. But we can easy change that if it doesn't work.
>
> Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
> proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
> data for the upload for you.

I have no problems as long as we use the same switches and system base.

are you planning full install sets + language packs for every language?


Regards

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/22/12 4:50 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/22/12 4:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 03:22:33PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>>> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? 
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I can.
>>>> Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
>>>> did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?
>>>
>>> sorry for being not detailed enough. I plan dev snapshot without system
>>> integration for now.
>>>
>>> I can live the en-US full install sets  + language packs. But I am open
>>> here and I would provide what helps our volunteers doing testing and
>>> translation best.

we provide snapshot only every 2 weeks or every 4 weeks, maybe we should
provide full install sets. But we can easy change that if it doesn't work.

Would it help if we provide the Linux 64 bit version? I think we have
proper build client in place to build. That would reduce the amount of
data for the upload for you.

Juergen


>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: before you start please wait until I have at least finished one
>>> platform with my latest fix ;-)
> 
> 1400866 seems to be good, on MacOS I package already the install sets
> 
>>
>> is this your with-lang switch?
>>
>> --with-lang="ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja km ko nb nl pl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW"
> 
> yes
> 
> Juergen
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/22/12 4:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 03:22:33PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? 
>>>
>>> Yes, I can.
>>> Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
>>> did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?
>>
>> sorry for being not detailed enough. I plan dev snapshot without system
>> integration for now.
>>
>> I can live the en-US full install sets  + language packs. But I am open
>> here and I would provide what helps our volunteers doing testing and
>> translation best.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>> PS: before you start please wait until I have at least finished one
>> platform with my latest fix ;-)

1400866 seems to be good, on MacOS I package already the install sets

> 
> is this your with-lang switch?
> 
> --with-lang="ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja km ko nb nl pl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW"

yes

Juergen

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 03:22:33PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? 
> > 
> > Yes, I can.
> > Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
> > did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?
> 
> sorry for being not detailed enough. I plan dev snapshot without system
> integration for now.
> 
> I can live the en-US full install sets  + language packs. But I am open
> here and I would provide what helps our volunteers doing testing and
> translation best.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Juergen
> 
> 
> PS: before you start please wait until I have at least finished one
> platform with my latest fix ;-)

is this your with-lang switch?

--with-lang="ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja km ko nb nl pl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW"


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:38:47AM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> What is the issue with snapshots that have system integration?   Do we
> never have bugs with system integration?  Shouldn't we encourage
> testing with something that is as close as possible to what we will
> release?

The issue is that they replace the current stable installation, unless
you install them in parallel, in which case it make no sense to build
with system integration at all.

Developer Snapshots where named in OpenOffice.org times only the build
that could be installed beside a current stable installation, because
they use a different name: OOo-Dev. In Linux, for example, it installs
on 

/opt/ooo-dev
/opt/ooo-dev3

In OpenOffice.org times, builds with system integration where done only
for the Release Candidates (not even Alphas or Betas, IIRC).


> Ditto with fill translations:  We are currently discussing some major
> changes to the translation workflow.  Are there possible bugs that
> could be introduced and not detected if we did only language packs?

AFAIK, no. Well, the Windows localized installers for the full install
sets could not be tested with a only en-US full install set.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/22/12 3:06 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 01:57:31PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> we still have problems with our public build bots, a problem that we
>>> should address immediately. Nevertheless would I like to propose that we
>>> start a developer snapshot build based on revision 1400796.
>>>
>>> I am currently build MacOS and Windows and I hope that the revision will
>>> build on both platform without error. And that it will build on Linux as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> I added 5 further languages (gd da pl ko nb) to make them available for
>>> our new volunteers to review and check the result of their translations
>>> or to simply review what's already there.
>>>
>>> In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.
>>>
>>> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version?
>>
>> Yes, I can.
>> Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
>> did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?
>
> sorry for being not detailed enough. I plan dev snapshot without system
> integration for now.
>
> I can live the en-US full install sets  + language packs. But I am open
> here and I would provide what helps our volunteers doing testing and
> translation best.
>
> What do you think?
>

What is the issue with snapshots that have system integration?   Do we
never have bugs with system integration?  Shouldn't we encourage
testing with something that is as close as possible to what we will
release?

Ditto with fill translations:  We are currently discussing some major
changes to the translation workflow.  Are there possible bugs that
could be introduced and not detected if we did only language packs?

-Rob

> Juergen
>
>
> PS: before you start please wait until I have at least finished one
> platform with my latest fix ;-)
>
>>
>>> In case you are not able for whatever reason please let us know and we
>>> have to find an alternative. I really hope that we can use build bots
>>> in the near future for providing the snapshot builds.
>>
>> With the current Linux build bots is impossible to build
>> releases/Dev.Snapshots, they have very high system requirements. I guess
>> I should open a JIRA ticket...
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 10/22/12 3:06 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 01:57:31PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> we still have problems with our public build bots, a problem that we
>> should address immediately. Nevertheless would I like to propose that we
>> start a developer snapshot build based on revision 1400796.
>>
>> I am currently build MacOS and Windows and I hope that the revision will
>> build on both platform without error. And that it will build on Linux as
>> well.
>>
>> I added 5 further languages (gd da pl ko nb) to make them available for
>> our new volunteers to review and check the result of their translations
>> or to simply review what's already there.
>>
>> In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.
>>
>> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? 
> 
> Yes, I can.
> Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
> did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?

sorry for being not detailed enough. I plan dev snapshot without system
integration for now.

I can live the en-US full install sets  + language packs. But I am open
here and I would provide what helps our volunteers doing testing and
translation best.

What do you think?

Juergen


PS: before you start please wait until I have at least finished one
platform with my latest fix ;-)

> 
>> In case you are not able for whatever reason please let us know and we
>> have to find an alternative. I really hope that we can use build bots
>> in the near future for providing the snapshot builds.
> 
> With the current Linux build bots is impossible to build
> releases/Dev.Snapshots, they have very high system requirements. I guess
> I should open a JIRA ticket...
> 
> 
> Regards
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose a new developer snapshot based on revision 1400796

[Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 01:57:31PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> we still have problems with our public build bots, a problem that we
> should address immediately. Nevertheless would I like to propose that we
> start a developer snapshot build based on revision 1400796.
> 
> I am currently build MacOS and Windows and I hope that the revision will
> build on both platform without error. And that it will build on Linux as
> well.
> 
> I added 5 further languages (gd da pl ko nb) to make them available for
> our new volunteers to review and check the result of their translations
> or to simply review what's already there.
> 
> In case of an error we have to adapt the revision accordingly.
> 
> @Ariel, are you able to build the Linux version? 

Yes, I can.
Did you plan real Developer Snapshots with no system integration?
did you plan only en-US full install sets + language packs?

> In case you are not able for whatever reason please let us know and we
> have to find an alternative. I really hope that we can use build bots
> in the near future for providing the snapshot builds.

With the current Linux build bots is impossible to build
releases/Dev.Snapshots, they have very high system requirements. I guess
I should open a JIRA ticket...


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina