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Add support for other programming languages
If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
functionality.
The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
to NetBeans can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
.
We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
Thank you in advance.
K/r,
John.
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Hallo all again.
I have created separate wiki pages in Confluence per programming language
support. This should contain more info about the status of existing
plugins, TODOs, requirements etc. Please feel free to update them for the
plugin(s) you wish to contribute.
Regarding this page
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>,
my idea is to make it a generic easy how-to for every beginner who wishes
to add a new language plugin, or contribute to an existing one, to be able
to follow the steps and do it. We may also split it to different
technologies, i.e. How-Tos for LSP, ANTLR etc. I leave it to those who know
more than me to decide. Please contribute to this page; it will help to
find volunteers to help us, but also, if we have a common
structure/methodology to develop the plugins, we can contribute to more
plugins since the steps would be common. We may, of course, deviate in
some plugins, but these would be the general steps. So, when you develop
your plugin, please spend some time to contribute to this page; it will pay
off in the future.
@Eric: you have done excellent work in adding a lot of comments with
resources etc. to this page. May I ask you to move your comments to the
main content instead and give the wiki page more shape? Thank you in
advance.
As a nice to have, would be to have a space in apache netbeans github to
add these plugins (maybe under contrib) instead of our own github space. I
haven't checked this page
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Experiment%3A+split+the+main+NetBeans+repository>
that Eric provided yet, but it could be the solution.
As an aside, I tried to work on plugins that I thought would be easy to
integrate and have a quick announcement (hey, NB now support XXX language),
but it was not that simple:
- Kotlin plugin requires to build the kotlin part (I don't speak Kotlin
yet)
- Rust & Scala plugins need to be rewritten, unfortunately
-
Maybe I take a quick look at Ruby plugin, too, and be luckier there. :)
Thank you all.
Kind regards,
John.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 22:14, John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Brett. Welcome on board. I added you as PoC for clojure and
> scala in confluence
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> for the time being.
>
> We will be updating that and this wiki page
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
> for the time being and we 'll see how we can organise.
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:54, Brett Ryan <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wrote language support for postgres openedge i think back in nb5, i
>> think it’sa lot easier now, back then i needed to implement a state machine.
>>
>> I wouldn’t mind seeing clojure support, and scala revived. I’ve only just
>> taken an interest in clojure and use scala every day.
>>
>> > On 1 Jan 2022, at 01:42, John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
>> > languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>> >
>> > There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
>> > NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
>> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins
>> >.
>> > Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
>> > functionality.
>> >
>> > The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC,
>> ANTLR,
>> > LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs
>> have
>> > been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language
>> support
>> > to NetBeans can be found here
>> > <
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
>> > better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance.
>> >
>> > K/r,
>> >
>> > John.
>>
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Thank you Brett. Welcome on board. I added you as PoC for clojure and scala
in confluence
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
for the time being.
We will be updating that and this wiki page
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
for the time being and we 'll see how we can organise.
Any ideas are welcome.
Kind regards,
John.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 11:54, Brett Ryan <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wrote language support for postgres openedge i think back in nb5, i
> think it’sa lot easier now, back then i needed to implement a state machine.
>
> I wouldn’t mind seeing clojure support, and scala revived. I’ve only just
> taken an interest in clojure and use scala every day.
>
> > On 1 Jan 2022, at 01:42, John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> > languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
> >
> > There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> > NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins
> >.
> > Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> > functionality.
> >
> > The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> > LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs
> have
> > been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language
> support
> > to NetBeans can be found here
> > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> > .
> >
> > We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> > better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > K/r,
> >
> > John.
>
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Brett Ryan <br...@gmail.com>.
I wrote language support for postgres openedge i think back in nb5, i think it’sa lot easier now, back then i needed to implement a state machine.
I wouldn’t mind seeing clojure support, and scala revived. I’ve only just taken an interest in clojure and use scala every day.
> On 1 Jan 2022, at 01:42, John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Tim. It would be great if you could.
Even if it's not perfect we could make it an official delivery for now, and
have NetBeans support Rust language, too.
Kind regards,
John.
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 20:06, Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I took a crack at making https://github.com/drrb/rust-netbeans work
> better a few years ago, with limited results. In particular, their Antlr
> grammar generates insanely deep trees that are not great for performance.
>
> I have been working on something more performant, also based on an ANTLR
> grammar, but using Antlr's lexer modes to handle things like macro_rules!
> which is almost an embedded language, based off of the generic Antlr
> language support I built here:
> https://github.com/timboudreau/ANTLR4-Plugins-for-NetBeans (all of the
> parser and lexer glue is generated for you from a few [big] annotations).
>
> There are a few things I'm looking forward to trying: Rust's borrow
> checker is really just a reference-graph cycle checker with a few rules
> about when cycles are allowed (things that implement the Copy trait, e.g.
> primitives and things with #[derive Copy]); the Antlr stuff lets you hang
> arbitrary analyzers off a parse that collect patterns you describe in
> source trees and store them in a couple of very tight int-array-based data
> structures that are binary-searchable, so you can collect a tree of
> variable references (yes, you *can* build a tree with a pair of int[]'s -
> https://j.mp/31O7Ir6 ), build a graph (just some arrays of bit-sets where
> intersection operations are cheap - this is how graphs should be modeled in
> code, not as actual trees of objects) and the analysis is pretty simple.
>
> This has been a spare-time kind of thing, but I could share it somewhere if
> anyone is interested.
>
> -Tim
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>.
FWIW, I took a crack at making https://github.com/drrb/rust-netbeans work
better a few years ago, with limited results. In particular, their Antlr
grammar generates insanely deep trees that are not great for performance.
I have been working on something more performant, also based on an ANTLR
grammar, but using Antlr's lexer modes to handle things like macro_rules!
which is almost an embedded language, based off of the generic Antlr
language support I built here:
https://github.com/timboudreau/ANTLR4-Plugins-for-NetBeans (all of the
parser and lexer glue is generated for you from a few [big] annotations).
There are a few things I'm looking forward to trying: Rust's borrow
checker is really just a reference-graph cycle checker with a few rules
about when cycles are allowed (things that implement the Copy trait, e.g.
primitives and things with #[derive Copy]); the Antlr stuff lets you hang
arbitrary analyzers off a parse that collect patterns you describe in
source trees and store them in a couple of very tight int-array-based data
structures that are binary-searchable, so you can collect a tree of
variable references (yes, you *can* build a tree with a pair of int[]'s -
https://j.mp/31O7Ir6 ), build a graph (just some arrays of bit-sets where
intersection operations are cheap - this is how graphs should be modeled in
code, not as actual trees of objects) and the analysis is pretty simple.
This has been a spare-time kind of thing, but I could share it somewhere if
anyone is interested.
-Tim
AW: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hey all,
for rust, we need help here: https://github.com/drrb/rust-netbeans
and for C# and .NET we need help here: https://github.com/Chris2011/DotNetCore-for-NetBeans
Cheers
Chris
Von: Eric Bresie
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Januar 2022 21:33
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בתאריך יום ו׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2021, 16:42, מאת John Kostaras <jkostaras@gmail.com
>:
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
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From: Meir Kalter <me...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 2:12:32 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Add support for other programming languages
I would happy to join to:
1. C#
2. Adda
Meir
בתאריך יום ו׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2021, 16:42, מאת John Kostaras <jkostaras@gmail.com
>:
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Meir Kalter <me...@gmail.com>.
I would happy to join to:
1. C#
2. Adda
Meir
בתאריך יום ו׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2021, 16:42, מאת John Kostaras <jkostaras@gmail.com
>:
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Arafat BOUCHAFRA <ar...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I'm interested by supporting Rust programming language by NetBeans.
King regards
Le ven. 31 déc. 2021 à 15:42, John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Oliver Rettig <Ol...@orat.de>.
use this email thread: +1
> Thank you all for your replies.
>
> We can continue on (please vote):
>
> - slack (NetBeans #plugin-developers)
> - create a google group
> - use this email thread
>
> Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> If yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add you.
> Please also contribute to this page
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Su
> pport> .
>
> I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being used for
> each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
>
> I have worked on these plugins:
>
> - Kotlin (netbeans/contrib/kotlin): I have managed to resolve maven
> dependencies etc. but now I need a Kotlin developer to build the Kotlin
> code of the plugin; the plugin has been donated by JetBrains
> - Rust <https://github.com/drrb/rust-netbeans.git>: I get the following
> error, and simply can't figure out where to find this Common Test Runner
> UI module in order to change its version.
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-03 at 19.51.36.png]
>
> - Scala <https://github.com/cbm64chris/nbscala>: Similar issue (not easy
> to find which module it refers to):
> - [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-03 at 20.00.24.png]
>
> Next steps (in the far future) create tutorials and an easy strategy to add
> language support to NetBeans.
>
> Let's learn from each other. Thank you all.
>
> John.
>
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 18:54, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 10:44 AM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How should these language (or any) plugins be managed from a
> >
> > organization,
> >
> > > namespace, and repository perspective?
> > >
> > > A more radical change would be to move many of existing language and
> > > integrated plugins out of core netbeans to focus more on the basic IDE
> >
> > but
> >
> > > I’m sure that would be too risky a change.
> >
> > Was scanning other things and noted the following which was kind of what I
> > was suggesting on above
> >
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Experiment%3A+split+t
> > he+main+NetBeans+repository
> >
> >
> > Just a thought…
> >
> > Eric
> > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.INVALID>.
On 1/3/22 12:11, John Kostaras wrote:
> Thank you all for your replies.
>
> We can continue on (please vote):
>
> * slack (NetBeans #plugin-developers)
> * create a google group
> * use this email thread
use this email thread: +1
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi,
This is an excellent piece of advice. The kind of knowledge we want to
know about LSP servers before using them, I think.
Thanks,
Antonio
El 3/1/22 a las 23:37, Randamuna Namae escribió:
> The scala plugin listed there, even if you manage to make it compile, is
> sadly unusable for any realistic scala development. I used to maintain a
> fork of the original repo myself for years until about 4 years ago, where
> the changes to the scala compiler (2.13) were just too many and would
> require a major rewrite of the plugin. The scala community has invested
> lots in their LSP support by means of Metals, and even contributed a BSP
> (build server protocol)<https://build-server-protocol.github.io/> which
> provides other aspects more IDE related that LSP doesn't cover.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Thank you Randamuna. I 'm kinda in the same situation as you, very busy at
the moment, but try to steal some time for NB.
Do you have a github repo or something with your LSP version? If not, could
you contribute your knowledge somewhere (in confluence, netbeans
documentation, your wiki or something?)
Kind regards,
John.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 23:48, Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think around NB 11 I tried starting to integrate Scala LSP, but at least
> at the time NB's LSP support was not extensible enough and I ended up
> benching it.
> I am currently swamped though. I can offer whatever knowledge I have (I
> have lots of scala experience after all) but I'm afraid I can't contribute
> code at the moment. Hopefully in some 6 months I'll have more time so by
> then I'll look again into it.
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:20 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the feedback. Could you take the lead for this?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 00:37, Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The scala plugin listed there, even if you manage to make it compile,
> is
> > > sadly unusable for any realistic scala development. I used to maintain
> a
> > > fork of the original repo myself for years until about 4 years ago,
> where
> > > the changes to the scala compiler (2.13) were just too many and would
> > > require a major rewrite of the plugin. The scala community has invested
> > > lots in their LSP support by means of Metals, and even contributed a
> BSP
> > > (build server protocol) <https://build-server-protocol.github.io/>
> which
> > > provides other aspects more IDE related that LSP doesn't cover.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Added a link to https://langserver.org/ to the list of LSP servers
> in
> > > > that page (seems to have a list of the features of each LSP server).
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Antonio
> > > >
> > > > El 3/1/22 a las 19:11, John Kostaras escribió:
> > > > > Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> > > > > <
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins
> >.
> > > > If
> > > > > yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add
> > you.
> > > > > Please also contribute to this page
> > > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > > > > I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being
> > used
> > > > > for each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com>.
I think around NB 11 I tried starting to integrate Scala LSP, but at least
at the time NB's LSP support was not extensible enough and I ended up
benching it.
I am currently swamped though. I can offer whatever knowledge I have (I
have lots of scala experience after all) but I'm afraid I can't contribute
code at the moment. Hopefully in some 6 months I'll have more time so by
then I'll look again into it.
Cheers.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:20 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the feedback. Could you take the lead for this?
>
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 00:37, Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The scala plugin listed there, even if you manage to make it compile, is
> > sadly unusable for any realistic scala development. I used to maintain a
> > fork of the original repo myself for years until about 4 years ago, where
> > the changes to the scala compiler (2.13) were just too many and would
> > require a major rewrite of the plugin. The scala community has invested
> > lots in their LSP support by means of Metals, and even contributed a BSP
> > (build server protocol) <https://build-server-protocol.github.io/> which
> > provides other aspects more IDE related that LSP doesn't cover.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Added a link to https://langserver.org/ to the list of LSP servers in
> > > that page (seems to have a list of the features of each LSP server).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > > El 3/1/22 a las 19:11, John Kostaras escribió:
> > > > Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> > > > <
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> > > If
> > > > yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add
> you.
> > > > Please also contribute to this page
> > > > <
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> > > >.
> > > >
> > > > I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being
> used
> > > > for each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Thank you for the feedback. Could you take the lead for this?
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 00:37, Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The scala plugin listed there, even if you manage to make it compile, is
> sadly unusable for any realistic scala development. I used to maintain a
> fork of the original repo myself for years until about 4 years ago, where
> the changes to the scala compiler (2.13) were just too many and would
> require a major rewrite of the plugin. The scala community has invested
> lots in their LSP support by means of Metals, and even contributed a BSP
> (build server protocol) <https://build-server-protocol.github.io/> which
> provides other aspects more IDE related that LSP doesn't cover.
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > Added a link to https://langserver.org/ to the list of LSP servers in
> > that page (seems to have a list of the features of each LSP server).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Antonio
> >
> > El 3/1/22 a las 19:11, John Kostaras escribió:
> > > Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> > > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> > If
> > > yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add you.
> > > Please also contribute to this page
> > > <
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> > >.
> > >
> > > I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being used
> > > for each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Randamuna Namae <io...@gmail.com>.
The scala plugin listed there, even if you manage to make it compile, is
sadly unusable for any realistic scala development. I used to maintain a
fork of the original repo myself for years until about 4 years ago, where
the changes to the scala compiler (2.13) were just too many and would
require a major rewrite of the plugin. The scala community has invested
lots in their LSP support by means of Metals, and even contributed a BSP
(build server protocol) <https://build-server-protocol.github.io/> which
provides other aspects more IDE related that LSP doesn't cover.
Cheers.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Added a link to https://langserver.org/ to the list of LSP servers in
> that page (seems to have a list of the features of each LSP server).
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
> El 3/1/22 a las 19:11, John Kostaras escribió:
> > Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> If
> > yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add you.
> > Please also contribute to this page
> > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >.
> >
> > I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being used
> > for each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
>
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Added a link to https://langserver.org/ to the list of LSP servers in
that page (seems to have a list of the features of each LSP server).
Cheers,
Antonio
El 3/1/22 a las 19:11, John Kostaras escribió:
> Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>. If
> yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add you.
> Please also contribute to this page
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>.
>
> I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being used
> for each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
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Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Thank you all for your replies.
We can continue on (please vote):
- slack (NetBeans #plugin-developers)
- create a google group
- use this email thread
Please let me know if you all have edit access to confluence
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
If yes please add to the table. If no, we can request Gertjaan to add you.
Please also contribute to this page
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
.
I 'd like to extend the table by adding which technology is being used for
each plugin (Java.CC, ANTLR, LSP), Java version etc.
I have worked on these plugins:
- Kotlin (netbeans/contrib/kotlin): I have managed to resolve maven
dependencies etc. but now I need a Kotlin developer to build the Kotlin
code of the plugin; the plugin has been donated by JetBrains
- Rust <https://github.com/drrb/rust-netbeans.git>: I get the following
error, and simply can't figure out where to find this Common Test Runner UI
module in order to change its version.
[image: Screen Shot 2022-01-03 at 19.51.36.png]
- Scala <https://github.com/cbm64chris/nbscala>: Similar issue (not easy
to find which module it refers to):
- [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-03 at 20.00.24.png]
Next steps (in the far future) create tutorials and an easy strategy to add
language support to NetBeans.
Let's learn from each other. Thank you all.
John.
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 18:54, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 10:44 AM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > How should these language (or any) plugins be managed from a
> organization,
> > namespace, and repository perspective?
> >
> > A more radical change would be to move many of existing language and
> > integrated plugins out of core netbeans to focus more on the basic IDE
> but
> > I’m sure that would be too risky a change.
> >
>
> Was scanning other things and noted the following which was kind of what I
> was suggesting on above
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Experiment%3A+split+the+main+NetBeans+repository
>
> >
> Just a thought…
>
> Eric
> --
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 10:44 AM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How should these language (or any) plugins be managed from a organization,
> namespace, and repository perspective?
>
> A more radical change would be to move many of existing language and
> integrated plugins out of core netbeans to focus more on the basic IDE but
> I’m sure that would be too risky a change.
>
Was scanning other things and noted the following which was kind of what I
was suggesting on above
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Experiment%3A+split+the+main+NetBeans+repository
>
Just a thought…
Eric
--
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Regarding slack, there is the “#plugin-developers” channel on the Netbean
slack ( https://netbeans.slack.com/ ) if that helps.
How should these language (or any) plugins be managed from a organization,
namespace, and repository perspective?
Assume they could fall under a subproject under given organization similar
to existing things under https://github.com/apache (or other organizations
like https://github.com/eclipse) or could be independent of these all
together.
If under apache org, what involvement by apache would be needed (i.e. if
make it an “apache language plugin” how is that sanctioned and accepted?
Assume some sort of “incubator project” like netbeans went through but not
sure all the overhead for a small project would be worth it)?
Should they be “sub-projects” under “apache/netbeans” repository code base?
Assume not give it would grow the code base but could provides better
integrated language solution to baseline netbeans proper [i.e. “Netbeans
release x.y.z supports, Java, PHP, <new Language here>“ upon release).
But if it was, what would be necessary to include them within the core
baseline (i.e. new cluster, compatible licenses, establish dependencies
[external/internal], etc.)?
Assume preferred would be a new repository (or repositories) and package
namespace would be created for given language which provides more
independent development and control on plugin publication activities.
Should some sort of bundle of plugins be developed together (i.e.
org.apache.netbeans.contrib, org.apache.netbeans.plugin, or
org.apache.netbeans.lang, etc.)with multiple language plugins [i.e. build
all languages included in language bundle] (kind of like gcc which adds new
language sometimes as part of main but others as independent separate
libraries).
Or a completely non-apache namespace of whomever chooses to create and
maintain them (i.e. org.some.organization.netbean.plugin or
com.some.company.netbeans.plugin, etc.)?
A more radical change would be to move many of existing language and
integrated plugins out of core netbeans to focus more on the basic IDE but
I’m sure that would be too risky a change.
Eric
________________________________
>
From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 10:41 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Add support for other programming languages
>
> If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
> languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
>
> There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
> NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
> Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
> functionality.
>
> The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
> LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
> been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
> to NetBeans can be found here
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support
> >
> .
>
> We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
> better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> K/r,
>
> John.
>
--
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Peter Cheung <mc...@hotmail.com>.
Me, C#, happy to join
________________________________
From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 10:41 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Add support for other programming languages
If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
functionality.
The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
to NetBeans can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
.
We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
Thank you in advance.
K/r,
John.
Re: Add support for other programming languages
Posted by Adam Russell <ac...@live.com>.
There had been some decent Perl plugins in the past that I used quite extensively for some time, but I can't seem to find them on your list or anywhere else? I'd be open to trying to get Perl language support back up and running.
________________________________
From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 9:41 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Add support for other programming languages
If you are interested in contributing in maintaining other programming
languages support for NetBeans, please reply to this thread.
There are many programming languages that have been dropped from Apache
NetBeans, for various reasons. A list can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>.
Some of them need little effort to provide at least some basic
functionality.
The task is not easy, as there are different technologies (JavaCC, ANTLR,
LSP) that these plugins have been written into, and the NetBeans APIs have
been changed during time. A draft wiki page on how to add language support
to NetBeans can be found here
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Adding+New+Language+Support>
.
We could have a separate thread or organise in slack, e.g. to create a
better overview of what needs to be done and how to proceed.
Thank you in advance.
K/r,
John.