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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by "Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com> on 2006/07/18 16:03:03 UTC
NOTICE Text
Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
Apache Cayenne
Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
This product includes software developed at
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
was released under the following license:
* The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
* ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
...
(rest of original Cayenne header/license)
Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the Apache part
off the web site).
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Are the wiki-docs included in the product distribution? If so, then
>> they definitely need the header.
>
> Yep, they are included in the distro. So we need headers for them.
>
> Generated classes from the test suite are not included in the distro
> and probably fall into the "file without any degree of creativity in
> either its literal elements or its structure" category. So we can leave
> those alone.
yes, agreed.
-jean
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Are the wiki-docs included in the product distribution? If so, then
> they definitely need the header.
Yep, they are included in the distro. So we need headers for them.
Generated classes from the test suite are not included in the distro
and probably fall into the "file without any degree of creativity in
either its literal elements or its structure" category. So we can
leave those alone.
Andrus
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Jean, as usual, thanks for providing the useful info.
>
> My take on it - this is yet another insanity coming from the world
> ruled by lawyers, and we have no choice, but comply. As far as the
> exported wiki-docs, I guess we'll have to augment the ant script with
> the header addition step. We can do the same thing for the generated
> test classes (generate with standard template, and then postprocess
> with Ant to add a header). Maven migration is going to be fun...
Are the wiki-docs included in the product distribution? If so, then
they definitely need the header.
If they're only displayed on the web site, then
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html says content displayed on a
web site doesn't need it. (But if that web site gets included in the
product distribution it does need the header.)
Here's what does NOT need the header:
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions
When in doubt, add the header.
-jean
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
>>
>>> I think I'm going to make the strategic decision, for now, that
>>> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
>>> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
>>
>>
>> I haven't read this thread very carefully this morning :-) but
>> documentation source needs the header, and the policy does apply to
>> documentation files included in a release according to
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html . For example, for derby,
>> this means the dita xml source for documentation needs the header, as do
>> the html files generated from that xml source.
>>
>> Picture it this way: if somebody wants to reuse a particular file, we
>> want the license governing use/reuse of that file to be clear.
>>
>> helpful context:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/m7jrq
>> http://tinyurl.com/mkc3c
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>> Also, I'm not going to add headers to the generated classes, such as
>>> _Artist.java and Artist.java, since these are produced from a template
>>> and we don't want the standard templates to have the ASF headers in
>>> them.
>>>
>>> It looks like many test classes don't have headers, either, but I'll
>>> add
>>> it to them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> /dev/mrg
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09 AM
>>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
>>>> one,
>>>> but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
>>>> org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
>>>> feeling
>>>> is no.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
>>> wouldn't hurt.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
>>>> least for now ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Jean, as usual, thanks for providing the useful info.
My take on it - this is yet another insanity coming from the world
ruled by lawyers, and we have no choice, but comply. As far as the
exported wiki-docs, I guess we'll have to augment the ant script with
the header addition step. We can do the same thing for the generated
test classes (generate with standard template, and then postprocess
with Ant to add a header). Maven migration is going to be fun...
Andrus
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
>> I think I'm going to make the strategic decision, for now, that
>> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
>> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
>
> I haven't read this thread very carefully this morning :-) but
> documentation source needs the header, and the policy does apply to
> documentation files included in a release according to
> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html . For example, for derby,
> this means the dita xml source for documentation needs the header,
> as do
> the html files generated from that xml source.
>
> Picture it this way: if somebody wants to reuse a particular file, we
> want the license governing use/reuse of that file to be clear.
>
> helpful context:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m7jrq
> http://tinyurl.com/mkc3c
>
> -jean
>
>
>> Also, I'm not going to add headers to the generated classes, such as
>> _Artist.java and Artist.java, since these are produced from a
>> template
>> and we don't want the standard templates to have the ASF headers in
>> them.
>>
>> It looks like many test classes don't have headers, either, but
>> I'll add
>> it to them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09 AM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
>>> one,
>>> but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
>>> org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
>>> feeling
>>> is no.
>>
>>
>> I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
>> wouldn't hurt.
>>
>>
>>> What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
>>> least for now ...
>>
>>
>> At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
>>
>> Andrus
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
> I think I'm going to make the strategic decision, for now, that
> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
I haven't read this thread very carefully this morning :-) but
documentation source needs the header, and the policy does apply to
documentation files included in a release according to
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html . For example, for derby,
this means the dita xml source for documentation needs the header, as do
the html files generated from that xml source.
Picture it this way: if somebody wants to reuse a particular file, we
want the license governing use/reuse of that file to be clear.
helpful context:
http://tinyurl.com/m7jrq
http://tinyurl.com/mkc3c
-jean
> Also, I'm not going to add headers to the generated classes, such as
> _Artist.java and Artist.java, since these are produced from a template
> and we don't want the standard templates to have the ASF headers in
> them.
>
> It looks like many test classes don't have headers, either, but I'll add
> it to them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>
>>Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>>
>>I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
>>one,
>>but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
>>org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
>>feeling
>>is no.
>
>
> I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
> wouldn't hurt.
>
>
>>What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
>>least for now ...
>
>
> At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
>
> Andrus
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
> ...
>>> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
>>> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
>>
>> I think that you should include the ASF header in XSD and DTD files.
>> They are part of the IP of the project and should have the
>> appropriate
>> copyright notices. I don't think I'd hold up release because of this
>> issue, but it should be done at some point.
>>
>
> Just to make sure there's no confusion, I think Craig really meant
> "They
> are part of the IP of the project and should have the appropriate ASF
> license header". --As part of the ASF header change [1], copyrights
> move
> from source headers to the NOTICE file.
Thanks, that's what I meant. The source license headers are just an
abbreviated few lines of text, not the actual license.
Craig
>
> -jean
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Yeah, CAYDOC and CAYDOC12 are simply the names of the Confleunce
"Spaces" where the documentation resides. So I was talking about this
URL:
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC/Documentation
(CAYDOC should be maintained in sync with the HEAD Cayenne code)
Andrus
On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Michael Gentry wrote:
> Look into CAYDOC? Aren't these pulled directly out of the wiki or
> something? (I think I probably wasn't paying too much attention to
> what Cris was doing then.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> On 7/19/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
>> > space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on
>> > forking the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
>> > conversion though.
>>
>> Not entirely without trouble I was able to branch the docs to
>> CAYDOC12 space. Now we need to change CAYDOC references to
>> ObjectStyle to Apache. Since most of them are links to JavaDocs, I
>> just deployed 2.0 JavaDocs on the site:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/cayenne/2_0/api/cayenne/index.html
>>
>> Michael, would you be able to look into that as well? I can provide
>> updated screenshots if needed.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Look into CAYDOC? Aren't these pulled directly out of the wiki or
something? (I think I probably wasn't paying too much attention to
what Cris was doing then.)
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
On 7/19/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> >
> > The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
> > space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on
> > forking the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
> > conversion though.
>
> Not entirely without trouble I was able to branch the docs to
> CAYDOC12 space. Now we need to change CAYDOC references to
> ObjectStyle to Apache. Since most of them are links to JavaDocs, I
> just deployed 2.0 JavaDocs on the site:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/cayenne/2_0/api/cayenne/index.html
>
> Michael, would you be able to look into that as well? I can provide
> updated screenshots if needed.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
> space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on
> forking the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
> conversion though.
Not entirely without trouble I was able to branch the docs to
CAYDOC12 space. Now we need to change CAYDOC references to
ObjectStyle to Apache. Since most of them are links to JavaDocs, I
just deployed 2.0 JavaDocs on the site:
http://incubator.apache.org/cayenne/2_0/api/cayenne/index.html
Michael, would you be able to look into that as well? I can provide
updated screenshots if needed.
Andrus
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
Ah, sorry! I totally forgot about that one. I only checked tutorials
out to get the ant build to work and promptly forgot about it. I'll
change them.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:17 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
I am talking about this folder (it has a total of 3 tutorial projects):
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cayenne/main/trunk/cayenne/
tutorials/
It looks like there are still objectstyle imports. Main classes (that
are not generated) in all three projects are in the same folder as
generated subclasses. Also I think we should add license headers to
the JSP and web.xml files in tutorials.
Andrus
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Which tutorial files? I thought I had gotten most of them, except for
> the CM generated files. Or are you talking about the subclass
> files? I
> didn't do those since they were originally generated by CM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:06 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> BTW, I totally forgot that wiki-docs where generated using a Velocity
> template. Once I figured that out, adding a license header became a
> trivial task. So I checked in that part as well.
>
> I think we should also add license headers to tutorial files (except
> for the XML files generated by CayenneModeler and generated Java
> files in the "auto" package).
>
> The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
> space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on forking
> the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
> conversion though.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> I'm used to being on the bleeding edge. I still have a NeXTstation!
>> :-)
>>
>> Andrus: I checked in the package.html files last night. What else do
>> you think needs to be worked on?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:35 PM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>> I think I can use
>>>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>>>
>>>
>>> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
>>> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
>>
>> yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
>>
>> cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
>> done now will save work later.
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
I am talking about this folder (it has a total of 3 tutorial projects):
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cayenne/main/trunk/cayenne/
tutorials/
It looks like there are still objectstyle imports. Main classes (that
are not generated) in all three projects are in the same folder as
generated subclasses. Also I think we should add license headers to
the JSP and web.xml files in tutorials.
Andrus
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Which tutorial files? I thought I had gotten most of them, except for
> the CM generated files. Or are you talking about the subclass
> files? I
> didn't do those since they were originally generated by CM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:06 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> BTW, I totally forgot that wiki-docs where generated using a Velocity
> template. Once I figured that out, adding a license header became a
> trivial task. So I checked in that part as well.
>
> I think we should also add license headers to tutorial files (except
> for the XML files generated by CayenneModeler and generated Java
> files in the "auto" package).
>
> The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
> space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on forking
> the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
> conversion though.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> I'm used to being on the bleeding edge. I still have a NeXTstation!
>> :-)
>>
>> Andrus: I checked in the package.html files last night. What else do
>> you think needs to be worked on?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:35 PM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>> I think I can use
>>>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>>>
>>>
>>> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
>>> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
>>
>> yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
>>
>> cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
>> done now will save work later.
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>
>
>
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
Which tutorial files? I thought I had gotten most of them, except for
the CM generated files. Or are you talking about the subclass files? I
didn't do those since they were originally generated by CM.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:06 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
BTW, I totally forgot that wiki-docs where generated using a Velocity
template. Once I figured that out, adding a license header became a
trivial task. So I checked in that part as well.
I think we should also add license headers to tutorial files (except
for the XML files generated by CayenneModeler and generated Java
files in the "auto" package).
The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on forking
the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
conversion though.
Andrus
On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> I'm used to being on the bleeding edge. I still have a NeXTstation!
> :-)
>
> Andrus: I checked in the package.html files last night. What else do
> you think needs to be worked on?
>
> Thanks!
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:35 PM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>
>>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>>
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>> I think I can use
>>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>>
>>
>> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
>> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
>
> yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
>
> cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
> done now will save work later.
>
> -jean
>
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
BTW, I totally forgot that wiki-docs where generated using a Velocity
template. Once I figured that out, adding a license header became a
trivial task. So I checked in that part as well.
I think we should also add license headers to tutorial files (except
for the XML files generated by CayenneModeler and generated Java
files in the "auto" package).
The next step would be branching 1.2 docs in a separate Confluence
space and changing the package names in CAYDOC. I'll work on forking
the docs later today. I'll appreciate help with the content
conversion though.
Andrus
On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> I'm used to being on the bleeding edge. I still have a NeXTstation!
> :-)
>
> Andrus: I checked in the package.html files last night. What else do
> you think needs to be worked on?
>
> Thanks!
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:35 PM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>>
>>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>>
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>> I think I can use
>>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>>
>>
>> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
>> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
>
> yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
>
> cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
> done now will save work later.
>
> -jean
>
>
>
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
I'm used to being on the bleeding edge. I still have a NeXTstation!
:-)
Andrus: I checked in the package.html files last night. What else do
you think needs to be worked on?
Thanks!
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:35 PM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>
>
> Great!
>
>> I think I can use
>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>
>
> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
done now will save work later.
-jean
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
>
>
> Great!
>
>> I think I can use
>> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
>
>
> This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
> copyright details in the NOTICE file?
yes, and Cliff just added wording to cover images:
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-media
cayenne is on the bleeding edge here, but getting the header changes
done now will save work later.
-jean
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
I was just going by the links Jean posted. Individual files are
available via subversion/etc and should have the license associated with
them. I had to "cheat", though. I couldn't put the full header in, but
added the link to the ASF license web page to the GIFs.
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:15 PM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
Great!
> I think I can use
> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
copyright details in the NOTICE file?
Andrus
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java.
Great!
> I think I can use
> mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
This looks like an overkill. Wouldn't it be enough to mention image
copyright details in the NOTICE file?
Andrus
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
I just committed all of the Java header changes for cayenne-java. Looks
like I'll have to go edit the XML/DTD now, too. I think I can use
mogrify to add the ASF license to the GIF files.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean T. Anderson [mailto:jta@bristowhill.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:48 PM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
Craig L Russell wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
...
>> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
>> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
>
> I think that you should include the ASF header in XSD and DTD files.
> They are part of the IP of the project and should have the
appropriate
> copyright notices. I don't think I'd hold up release because of this
> issue, but it should be done at some point.
>
Just to make sure there's no confusion, I think Craig really meant "They
are part of the IP of the project and should have the appropriate ASF
license header". --As part of the ASF header change [1], copyrights move
from source headers to the NOTICE file.
-jean
[1] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
...
>> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
>> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
>
> I think that you should include the ASF header in XSD and DTD files.
> They are part of the IP of the project and should have the appropriate
> copyright notices. I don't think I'd hold up release because of this
> issue, but it should be done at some point.
>
Just to make sure there's no confusion, I think Craig really meant "They
are part of the IP of the project and should have the appropriate ASF
license header". --As part of the ASF header change [1], copyrights move
from source headers to the NOTICE file.
-jean
[1] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
> I think I'm going to make the strategic decision, for now, that
I think you mean tactical decision ;-)
> XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
> Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
I think that you should include the ASF header in XSD and DTD files.
They are part of the IP of the project and should have the
appropriate copyright notices. I don't think I'd hold up release
because of this issue, but it should be done at some point.
>
> Also, I'm not going to add headers to the generated classes, such as
> _Artist.java and Artist.java, since these are produced from a template
Right.
> and we don't want the standard templates to have the ASF headers in
> them.
>
> It looks like many test classes don't have headers, either, but
> I'll add
> it to them.
Cool.
Craig
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>>
>> I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
>> one,
>> but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
>> org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
>> feeling
>> is no.
>
> I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
> wouldn't hurt.
>
>> What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
>> least for now ...
>
> At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
>
> Andrus
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
I think I'm going to make the strategic decision, for now, that
XML/DTD/etc is data and not code and doesn't need the ASF header.
Jean/etc can chime in on this later if they want.
Also, I'm not going to add headers to the generated classes, such as
_Artist.java and Artist.java, since these are produced from a template
and we don't want the standard templates to have the ASF headers in
them.
It looks like many test classes don't have headers, either, but I'll add
it to them.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>
> I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
> one,
> but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
> org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
> feeling
> is no.
I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
wouldn't hurt.
> What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
> least for now ...
At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
Andrus
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
>
> I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS
> one,
> but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
> org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut
> feeling
> is no.
I don't know. I guess we can add the header as XML comment. Probably
wouldn't hurt.
> What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
> least for now ...
At least not in cayenne-other/wiki-docs, as those are generated.
Andrus
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
Ooops, misread what you said originally. Thanks.
I'm adding the ASF license to a few files which were missing the OS one,
but everything else is looking good so far. Do you think
org/apache/cayenne/dba/types.xml (and kin) need it, too? My gut feeling
is no. What about HTML files? I'm guessing no on that one, too. At
least for now ...
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:00 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
Looks good to me (I just changed the OS license year to 2006).
Andrus
On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> OK, cayenne-java/NOTICE is checked in if you'd like to take another
> look
> at it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
> PS. Header replacement seems to be going surprisingly well. I just
> finished cayenne-java, but want to do some spot checks and run tests
> before committing.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:28 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Yeah, let's change it to 2006. Re "2002" as a start year. We had some
> code as early as 2001, but I don't think any of it is preserved. It
> doesn't matter either way to me.
>
> I also suggest a few small changes to the NOTICE file, namely do not
> mention 1.2 release, and use the license without the leading "*" (the
> full license text file is available under cayenne-other/licenses/
> LICENSE.txt:
>
> Apache Cayenne
> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>
> This product includes software developed at
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>
> This software is derived from Cayenne framework, originally developed
> at The ObjectStyle Group and donated to the ASF by its authors. The
> original
> framework was released under the following license:
>
> The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
> ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
>
> Copyright (c) 2002-2006.....
>
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> Actually, I think it should have "2002-2006" as the year range, since
>> the file is supposed to "reflect the product name and year(s) of
>> distribution of the current and past versions of the product." Or
>> does
>> this mean distributed only by Apache? Also, does Cayenne go back
>> further than 2002?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)
>> [mailto:michael_gentry@fanniemae.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 AM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: NOTICE Text
>>
>>
>> Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
>>
>> Apache Cayenne
>> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> This product includes software developed at
>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>>
>> This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
>> Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
>> was released under the following license:
>>
>> * The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
>> * ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
>> ...
>> (rest of original Cayenne header/license)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the
>> Apache
>> part
>> off the web site).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Looks good to me (I just changed the OS license year to 2006).
Andrus
On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> OK, cayenne-java/NOTICE is checked in if you'd like to take another
> look
> at it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
> PS. Header replacement seems to be going surprisingly well. I just
> finished cayenne-java, but want to do some spot checks and run tests
> before committing.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:28 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Yeah, let's change it to 2006. Re "2002" as a start year. We had some
> code as early as 2001, but I don't think any of it is preserved. It
> doesn't matter either way to me.
>
> I also suggest a few small changes to the NOTICE file, namely do not
> mention 1.2 release, and use the license without the leading "*" (the
> full license text file is available under cayenne-other/licenses/
> LICENSE.txt:
>
> Apache Cayenne
> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>
> This product includes software developed at
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>
> This software is derived from Cayenne framework, originally developed
> at The ObjectStyle Group and donated to the ASF by its authors. The
> original
> framework was released under the following license:
>
> The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
> ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
>
> Copyright (c) 2002-2006.....
>
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
>> Actually, I think it should have "2002-2006" as the year range, since
>> the file is supposed to "reflect the product name and year(s) of
>> distribution of the current and past versions of the product." Or
>> does
>> this mean distributed only by Apache? Also, does Cayenne go back
>> further than 2002?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)
>> [mailto:michael_gentry@fanniemae.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 AM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: NOTICE Text
>>
>>
>> Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
>>
>> Apache Cayenne
>> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> This product includes software developed at
>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>>
>> This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
>> Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
>> was released under the following license:
>>
>> * The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
>> * ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
>> ...
>> (rest of original Cayenne header/license)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the
>> Apache
>> part
>> off the web site).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> /dev/mrg
>>
>>
>
>
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
OK, cayenne-java/NOTICE is checked in if you'd like to take another look
at it.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
PS. Header replacement seems to be going surprisingly well. I just
finished cayenne-java, but want to do some spot checks and run tests
before committing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:28 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NOTICE Text
Yeah, let's change it to 2006. Re "2002" as a start year. We had some
code as early as 2001, but I don't think any of it is preserved. It
doesn't matter either way to me.
I also suggest a few small changes to the NOTICE file, namely do not
mention 1.2 release, and use the license without the leading "*" (the
full license text file is available under cayenne-other/licenses/
LICENSE.txt:
Apache Cayenne
Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
This product includes software developed at
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
This software is derived from Cayenne framework, originally developed
at The ObjectStyle Group and donated to the ASF by its authors. The
original
framework was released under the following license:
The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
Copyright (c) 2002-2006.....
Andrus
On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Actually, I think it should have "2002-2006" as the year range, since
> the file is supposed to "reflect the product name and year(s) of
> distribution of the current and past versions of the product." Or
> does
> this mean distributed only by Apache? Also, does Cayenne go back
> further than 2002?
>
> Thanks!
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)
> [mailto:michael_gentry@fanniemae.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
>
> Apache Cayenne
> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>
> This product includes software developed at
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>
> This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
> Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
> was released under the following license:
>
> * The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
> * ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
> ...
> (rest of original Cayenne header/license)
>
>
>
>
> Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the Apache
> part
> off the web site).
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
Re: NOTICE Text
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Yeah, let's change it to 2006. Re "2002" as a start year. We had some
code as early as 2001, but I don't think any of it is preserved. It
doesn't matter either way to me.
I also suggest a few small changes to the NOTICE file, namely do not
mention 1.2 release, and use the license without the leading "*" (the
full license text file is available under cayenne-other/licenses/
LICENSE.txt:
Apache Cayenne
Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
This product includes software developed at
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
This software is derived from Cayenne framework, originally developed
at The ObjectStyle Group and donated to the ASF by its authors. The
original
framework was released under the following license:
The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
Copyright (c) 2002-2006.....
Andrus
On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
> Actually, I think it should have "2002-2006" as the year range, since
> the file is supposed to "reflect the product name and year(s) of
> distribution of the current and past versions of the product." Or
> does
> this mean distributed only by Apache? Also, does Cayenne go back
> further than 2002?
>
> Thanks!
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)
> [mailto:michael_gentry@fanniemae.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: NOTICE Text
>
>
> Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
>
> Apache Cayenne
> Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
>
> This product includes software developed at
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>
> This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
> Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
> was released under the following license:
>
> * The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
> * ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
> ...
> (rest of original Cayenne header/license)
>
>
>
>
> Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the Apache
> part
> off the web site).
>
> Thanks,
>
> /dev/mrg
>
>
RE: NOTICE Text
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
Actually, I think it should have "2002-2006" as the year range, since
the file is supposed to "reflect the product name and year(s) of
distribution of the current and past versions of the product." Or does
this mean distributed only by Apache? Also, does Cayenne go back
further than 2002?
Thanks!
/dev/mrg
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gentry (Yes, I'm a Contractor)
[mailto:michael_gentry@fanniemae.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: NOTICE Text
Here is the proposed NOTICE text:
Apache Cayenne
Copyright 2006 The Apache Software Foundation
This product includes software developed at
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
This software is derived from Cayenne 1.2, which was donated to the
Apache Software Foundation by The ObjectStyle Group. Cayenne 1.2
was released under the following license:
* The ObjectStyle Group Software License, version 1.1
* ObjectStyle Group - http://objectstyle.org/
...
(rest of original Cayenne header/license)
Any comments on the wording (the ObjectStyle part -- copied the Apache
part
off the web site).
Thanks,
/dev/mrg