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[VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Hey all,
As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
$PATH.
I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
to be created hosting the sources):
[ ] +1 for moving over
[ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
[ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
Regards,
Roy
[1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
[3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
[4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
I think I voted +1 too.
On 03/10/2020 19:55, Stefan Seelmann wrote:
> Did we come to a conclusion?
>
> I count 3 binding +1 votes from Shawn, Radovan, and myself, but I'd
> prefer consensus :)
>
> I have some time in Q4 and can help with the migration too.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Stefan
>
>
> On 9/15/20 6:55 PM, Roy Lenferink wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
>> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>>
>> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
>> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
>> $PATH.
>>
>> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
>> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>>
>> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
>> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>>
>> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
>> to be created hosting the sources):
>>
>> [ ] +1 for moving over
>> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
>> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>>
>> Regards,
>> Roy
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
>> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
>> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Stefan Seelmann <ma...@stefan-seelmann.de>.
Did we come to a conclusion?
I count 3 binding +1 votes from Shawn, Radovan, and myself, but I'd
prefer consensus :)
I have some time in Q4 and can help with the migration too.
Kind Regards,
Stefan
On 9/15/20 6:55 PM, Roy Lenferink wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>
> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
> $PATH.
>
> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>
> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>
> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
> to be created hosting the sources):
>
> [ ] +1 for moving over
> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>
> Regards,
> Roy
>
> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Radovan Semancik <ra...@evolveum.com.INVALID>.
+1
I've misses the original discussion, but I just want to say that
anything is better than the old CMS.
I've tried to update the documentation once, but it was a real pain.
It really demotivated me and I was not trying to do any further
documentation updates since.
I'm glad that the project is moving away from that thing.
--
Radovan Semancik
Software Architect
evolveum.com
On 9/15/20 6:55 PM, Roy Lenferink wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>
> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
> $PATH.
>
> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>
> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>
> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
> to be created hosting the sources):
>
> [ ] +1 for moving over
> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>
> Regards,
> Roy
>
> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Roy Lenferink <rl...@apache.org>.
Hereby i am adding my +1 (non-binding) and closing the vote.
I'll send the results shortly.
Roy
On 2020/09/15 16:55:42, Roy Lenferink <rl...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>
> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
> $PATH.
>
> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>
> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>
> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
> to be created hosting the sources):
>
> [ ] +1 for moving over
> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>
> Regards,
> Roy
>
> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Hi Maryanne !
Here are a few pointers :
https://github.com/apache/celix-site (this is another apache site that
uses Hugo for their site)
https://infra.apache.org/project-site.html (the general - very
general... - directions )
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Migrate+your+project+website+from+the+Apache+CMS
(you may need some apache creds for this one)
FTR, the Javadoc are being moved to nightlies.apache.org by INFRA (at
least the latest versions). For new releases, a jenkins task has to be
added.
Thanks !
On 17/09/2020 16:28, Maryanne Normann wrote:
> I have some time to look at this :-)
>
> I'll check in with Shawn to see how/where I can get started.
>
> -Maryanne
>
> Maryanne
> Office: (650) 963-7656
> Cell: (914) 466-9116
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> From: "Emmanuel Lécharny" <el...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@directory.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 3:27:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
>
> On 16/09/2020 21:07, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> I still have reservations about how the new release process will work for publishing using this new CMS, but don’t want to stand in the way.
>>
>> For example, currently, there’s a step-by-step instructions (provided by Emmanuel) that is used on each (fortress) release for publishing using the old CMS. I have no such set of instructions for using the new.
>>
>>
>> Please don’t take this as a critique on the work that’s been done getting this ready. It’s a concern about moving forward. My guess, it’ll be better than before, but that still doesn’t erase the concerns. :-)
> I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step procedure.
> My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend time to learn
> how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person can do this
> work, and many benefit from it.
>
> The question, this time, is : who will do the work ;-)
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Maryanne Normann <mn...@symas.com>.
I have some time to look at this :-)
I'll check in with Shawn to see how/where I can get started.
-Maryanne
Maryanne
Office: (650) 963-7656
Cell: (914) 466-9116
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To: dev@directory.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 3:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
On 16/09/2020 21:07, Shawn McKinney wrote:
> +1
>
> I still have reservations about how the new release process will work for publishing using this new CMS, but don’t want to stand in the way.
>
> For example, currently, there’s a step-by-step instructions (provided by Emmanuel) that is used on each (fortress) release for publishing using the old CMS. I have no such set of instructions for using the new.
>
>
> Please don’t take this as a critique on the work that’s been done getting this ready. It’s a concern about moving forward. My guess, it’ll be better than before, but that still doesn’t erase the concerns. :-)
I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step procedure.
My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend time to learn
how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person can do this
work, and many benefit from it.
The question, this time, is : who will do the work ;-)
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
One more thing : I'm quite sure it's not such a big issue to get used to
the new system. First, the content structure has not changed a lot, and
it's still markdown based. Second, we aren't going to change the
structure heavily in the coming months, so the learning curve should be
light.
I'm currently dealing with a MINA release, done last week, and I'm
trying to get it visible (ie updating the site). The big hurdel atm is
the Javadocs. I have opened a JIRA for that, buut the least I can say is
that the answers I've got so far are not really making me jump in joy.
For instance, using curl to push every single javadoc file is just
insane - and it does not work, I get blocked at some point -. The
alternatives are not going to fly: using jenkins or buildbot for that is
*maybe* ok for the new releases, not for the almost hundred of existing
javadocs we have...
If someone has a pointer on how to recursively push the javadocs
recursively to
nightlies.apache.org/directory/[apacheds|api|fortress|mavibot], I'll be
more than pleased !
I'm specifically thinking about something like :
$ rsync -av [revision]/ elecharny@nightlies.apache.org
<ma...@nightlies.apache.org>:/directory/[project]/
I don't have a SSH access to nighlies, sadly :/
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 17/09/2020 22:10, Stefan Seelmann wrote:
> On 9/16/20 9:27 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote:
>> I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step procedure.
>> My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend time to learn
>> how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person can do this
>> work, and many benefit from it.
> Ideally that "procedure" is written as code and can be executed either
> locally or on a CI system :)
Indeed.
Although this is not that simple... There are different use cases:
- one want to update the site content. Hard to write code that does that
;-) Usually, it's all about checking out the site content - currently in
svn, now in git -, use your favored test editor, save it, commit it,
generate the staging site, check the result, eventually go back to step
'edit' until glad with the result, then push to the production site.
- one want to push a release. This is mostly like the previous use case,
except that the javadoc might have to be pushed andd referred in ths
site, same thing for the packages. ATM it's manual - with a hell lot of
risk to lose content with the current CMS tool -. IT should be a shell
script within a jenkins task, or a command executed by buildbot, none of
which are currenly either well documented nor implemented by our project.
Bottom line, there is a couple of days of work to sort out a procedure
and document it so that any of use can use it without having to spend
wasted hours poking The Internet for direction :-)
Ultimately, this is noyt *that* complex. We just have little tilme, and
as normal human beings, we don't like to change, especially when it was
working...
Thanks !
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Stefan Seelmann <ma...@stefan-seelmann.de>.
On 9/16/20 9:27 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote:
> I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step procedure.
> My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend time to learn
> how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person can do this
> work, and many benefit from it.
Ideally that "procedure" is written as code and can be executed either
locally or on a CI system :)
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
My official +1
I realised I vote +1 directly to Roy instead of replying to the ML :-)
Thanks Roy !
On 16/09/2020 21:27, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote:
>
> On 16/09/2020 21:07, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> I still have reservations about how the new release process will work
>> for publishing using this new CMS, but don’t want to stand in the way.
>>
>> For example, currently, there’s a step-by-step instructions (provided
>> by Emmanuel) that is used on each (fortress) release for publishing
>> using the old CMS. I have no such set of instructions for using the
>> new.
>>
>>
>> Please don’t take this as a critique on the work that’s been done
>> getting this ready. It’s a concern about moving forward. My guess,
>> it’ll be better than before, but that still doesn’t erase the
>> concerns. :-)
>
> I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step
> procedure. My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend
> time to learn how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person
> can do this work, and many benefit from it.
>
> The question, this time, is : who will do the work ;-)
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 16/09/2020 21:07, Shawn McKinney wrote:
> +1
>
> I still have reservations about how the new release process will work for publishing using this new CMS, but don’t want to stand in the way.
>
> For example, currently, there’s a step-by-step instructions (provided by Emmanuel) that is used on each (fortress) release for publishing using the old CMS. I have no such set of instructions for using the new.
>
>
> Please don’t take this as a critique on the work that’s been done getting this ready. It’s a concern about moving forward. My guess, it’ll be better than before, but that still doesn’t erase the concerns. :-)
I have spent quite some time to write down this step-by-step procedure.
My understanding is that at some point, you have to spend time to learn
how new things are working. Hopefully, one single person can do this
work, and many benefit from it.
The question, this time, is : who will do the work ;-)
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Shawn McKinney <sm...@apache.org>.
+1
I still have reservations about how the new release process will work for publishing using this new CMS, but don’t want to stand in the way.
For example, currently, there’s a step-by-step instructions (provided by Emmanuel) that is used on each (fortress) release for publishing using the old CMS. I have no such set of instructions for using the new.
Please don’t take this as a critique on the work that’s been done getting this ready. It’s a concern about moving forward. My guess, it’ll be better than before, but that still doesn’t erase the concerns. :-)
—
Shawn
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Seelmann <ma...@stefan-seelmann.de> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Many thanks Roy for initiating it!
>
> Kind Regards,
> Stefan
>
>
> On 9/15/20 6:55 PM, Roy Lenferink wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
>> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>>
>> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
>> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
>> $PATH.
>>
>> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
>> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>>
>> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
>> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>>
>> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
>> to be created hosting the sources):
>>
>> [ ] +1 for moving over
>> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
>> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>>
>> Regards,
>> Roy
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
>> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
>> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Directory site from CMS/svn to Hugo/git
Posted by Stefan Seelmann <ma...@stefan-seelmann.de>.
+1
Many thanks Roy for initiating it!
Kind Regards,
Stefan
On 9/15/20 6:55 PM, Roy Lenferink wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As promised hereby a vote for moving away from the (to be deprecated) CMS & svn, to use Hugo
> and git for hosting the Directory website sources.
>
> Hugo is a quite popular static site generator and is well-known for its speed of website generation.
> It's quite easy to install Hugo as the only thing necessary is installing it somewhere part of your
> $PATH.
>
> I have migrated the Directory website to be usable with Hugo. The sources of this are available
> here [1]. See the 'discuss' threads here [2][3] for more information.
>
> The gen-docs is something still under discussion as there are multiple ways to solve that issue. I
> noticed Emmanuel created a jira ticket [4] for this.
>
> Please vote on moving away from the CMS/svn to use Hugo/git (a new 'directory-site' repository
> to be created hosting the sources):
>
> [ ] +1 for moving over
> [ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion on this
> [ ] -1 for not moving over, in this case please explain why
>
> Regards,
> Roy
>
> [1] https://github.com/rlenferink/directory-site
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r4bb58d7f93dc547abc6c2829c1dad751a72a14089000550b37bbad6b%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307c89043eb346d42018aa8387f70199126d6ff276a7c4ef3bf4e5cb%40%3Cdev.directory.apache.org%3E
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20849
>
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