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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> on 2010/08/25 09:59:27 UTC
Removing "other contributors" list
http://cayenne.apache.org/contributors.html
I was thinking we should remove the list of names from the "Other Contributors" section in the bottom. This list worked well when Cayenne was 2 years old, now that it is 9, it no longer makes any sense. The problem is not about the listed folks, but rather that there are many more people who did something comparable for Cayenne (like submitting a single patch, or reporting and investigating a non-obvious bug).
So in other words we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
Thoughts? Objections?
Andrus
Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 25/08/10 5:59 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> http://cayenne.apache.org/contributors.html
>
> I was thinking we should remove the list of names from the "Other Contributors" section in the bottom. This list worked well when Cayenne was 2 years old, now that it is 9, it no longer makes any sense. The problem is not about the listed folks, but rather that there are many more people who did something comparable for Cayenne (like submitting a single patch, or reporting and investigating a non-obvious bug).
>
> So in other words we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
>
> Thoughts? Objections?
For goodwill purposes I think it should stay. It does no harm, shows the breadth of contributions and gives those people some acknowledgement. Let's add to that list from time to time when needed, but I think it is useful to have a place to acknowledge people who contribute.
Ari
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Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Michael Gentry <mg...@masslight.net>.
I think a thank you type page or list would be fine. I'd keep the
names/etc if possible (I know it is a lot to keep track of, though).
mrg
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
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> On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
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>> a removal of a section on the site
>
> I suggest to replace that with a general statement thanking the community and individuals who help us in many different ways.
>
> Andrus
>
>
Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> a removal of a section on the site
I suggest to replace that with a general statement thanking the community and individuals who help us in many different ways.
Andrus
Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
It is more of a question of fairness than accuracy. I don't see this as a removal of an individual's name, but a removal of a section on the site. And definitely the goal is not to offend any single person listed there, but simply to reflect the fact that this particular mechanism of acknowledgement is flawed.
We do have a formal mechanism of acknowledging a noticeable contribution - granting committership. Some other types of contribution (such as web site designs for instance), were done as work for hire, sponsored by one of the existing committers (if I am not mistaken, as I only know of the earlier versions of the design).
Andrus
On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> On 26/08/10 12:23 AM, Evgeny Ryabitskiy wrote:
>> Also like idea about treating everybody equally.
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> Sure. But removing people makes a strong statement (to those people who were removed and who might feel some pride in contributing toward an Apache project). Accuracy is useful, but not the final goal.
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> Ari
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Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 26/08/10 12:23 AM, Evgeny Ryabitskiy wrote:
> Also like idea about treating everybody equally.
Sure. But removing people makes a strong statement (to those people who were removed and who might feel some pride in contributing toward an Apache project). Accuracy is useful, but not the final goal.
Ari
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Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Evgeny Ryabitskiy <ev...@gmail.com>.
> ...... Let's
> add to that list from time to time when needed, but I think it is useful to
> have a place to acknowledge people who contribute.
Like this idea more.
But there is still problem:
>.... we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this
> section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
Also like idea about treating everybody equally.
I suggest to use this list for everybody who submitted a single patch
which was approved and committed to SVN.
Also we can add some documentation contributors, those who describe at
least some peace of functionality (like page size).
> Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
> everyone who made a minor contribution.
And it will be cool!
It will show that project is alive, that community is great and small
regrets to everyone who have contribute.
Evgeny.
2010/8/25 Eugene R. <ap...@gmail.com>:
>> ...... Let's
>> add to that list from time to time when needed, but I think it is useful to
>> have a place to acknowledge people who contribute.
>
> Like this idea more.
>
> But there is still problem:
>
>>.... we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this
>> section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
>
> Also like idea about treating everybody equally.
>
>
> I suggest to use this list for everybody who submitted a single patch
> which was approved and committed to SVN.
> Also we can add some documentation contributors, those who describe at
> least some peace of functionality (like page size).
>
>
>> Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
>> everyone who made a minor contribution.
>
> And it will be cool!
> It will show that project is alive, that community is great and small
> regrets to everyone who have contribute.
>
>
> Evgeny.
>
>
>
>
> 2010/8/25 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>:
>> I would say that we should remove it for the reasons you stated.
>> Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
>> everyone who made a minor contribution.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>> http://cayenne.apache.org/contributors.html
>>>
>>> I was thinking we should remove the list of names from the "Other Contributors" section in the bottom. This list worked well when Cayenne was 2 years old, now that it is 9, it no longer makes any sense. The problem is not about the listed folks, but rather that there are many more people who did something comparable for Cayenne (like submitting a single patch, or reporting and investigating a non-obvious bug).
>>>
>>> So in other words we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Objections?
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>
>
Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by "Eugene R." <ap...@gmail.com>.
> ...... Let's
> add to that list from time to time when needed, but I think it is useful to
> have a place to acknowledge people who contribute.
Like this idea more.
But there is still problem:
>.... we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this
> section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
Also like idea about treating everybody equally.
I suggest to use this list for everybody who submitted a single patch
which was approved and committed to SVN.
Also we can add some documentation contributors, those who describe at
least some peace of functionality (like page size).
> Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
> everyone who made a minor contribution.
And it will be cool!
It will show that project is alive, that community is great and small
regrets to everyone who have contribute.
Evgeny.
2010/8/25 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>:
> I would say that we should remove it for the reasons you stated.
> Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
> everyone who made a minor contribution.
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> http://cayenne.apache.org/contributors.html
>>
>> I was thinking we should remove the list of names from the "Other Contributors" section in the bottom. This list worked well when Cayenne was 2 years old, now that it is 9, it no longer makes any sense. The problem is not about the listed folks, but rather that there are many more people who did something comparable for Cayenne (like submitting a single patch, or reporting and investigating a non-obvious bug).
>>
>> So in other words we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
>>
>> Thoughts? Objections?
>>
>> Andrus
>
Re: Removing "other contributors" list
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
I would say that we should remove it for the reasons you stated.
Also, I think we probably would have a list a mile long if we included
everyone who made a minor contribution.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> http://cayenne.apache.org/contributors.html
>
> I was thinking we should remove the list of names from the "Other Contributors" section in the bottom. This list worked well when Cayenne was 2 years old, now that it is 9, it no longer makes any sense. The problem is not about the listed folks, but rather that there are many more people who did something comparable for Cayenne (like submitting a single patch, or reporting and investigating a non-obvious bug).
>
> So in other words we don't have a clear criteria of whom to list in this section, and IMO should treat everybody equally by removing this section.
>
> Thoughts? Objections?
>
> Andrus