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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> on 2011/06/06 18:36:56 UTC
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17, Florian Effenberger
<fl...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06:
>>>
>>> The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it
>>> > crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force
>>> > The Apache Foundation to take the project.
>>> >
>>
>> How?
>
> I am *not* saying you would be influenced or forced - I'd never doubt that
> you are deciding independent. However, what people may give the feeling that
> something's wrong are statements like these:
>
> http://www.sutor.com/c/2011/06/some-remarks-on-openoffice-going-to-apache/comment-page-1/#comment-5309
>
> "it is a done deal"
>
> That might create wrong impressions...
I'll repeat what Jim said: how do you think IBM can force us to take
the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.
The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".
In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is
representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
fwiw, Bob Sutor is not a committer or on the incubator PMC or a member
of the ASF [1]. Here's the list of folks on the incubator PMC who will
vote on the proposal [2]
[1] http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
[2] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17, Florian Effenberger
> <fl...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06:
>>>>
>>>> The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it
>>>> > crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force
>>>> > The Apache Foundation to take the project.
>>>> >
>>>
>>> How?
>>
>> I am *not* saying you would be influenced or forced - I'd never doubt that
>> you are deciding independent. However, what people may give the feeling that
>> something's wrong are statements like these:
>>
>> http://www.sutor.com/c/2011/06/some-remarks-on-openoffice-going-to-apache/comment-page-1/#comment-5309
>>
>> "it is a done deal"
>>
>> That might create wrong impressions...
>
> I'll repeat what Jim said: how do you think IBM can force us to take
> the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.
>
> The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
> will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".
>
> In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is
> representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
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Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Florian Effenberger <fl...@documentfoundation.org>.
Hi Greg, Hi Sam,
Sam Ruby wrote on 2011-06-06 19.04:
> The software grant was received on 31 May. It has no conditions
> beyond what exists in the standard software grant that we receive from
> everybody:
thanks for clarifying. That indeed helps a lot to understand some things
for me.
Florian
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Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Florian Effenberger
<fl...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
>> will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".
>
> Ah, okay - so the software grant exists independent from the incubation
> result?
The software grant was received on 31 May. It has no conditions
beyond what exists in the standard software grant that we receive from
everybody:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
The grant itself contains no secrets beyond email addresses and the
like, which is why we don't publish them for public inspection.
I have already published an extracted list of files. I'm told that
there is some line break problems with my extraction methods, and will
look into that.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:46, Florian Effenberger
<fl...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-06 18.36:
>...
>> The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
>> will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".
>
> Ah, okay - so the software grant exists independent from the incubation
> result?
Yes. The software grant was recorded by the ASF Secretary last week.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Florian Effenberger <fl...@documentfoundation.org>.
Hi Greg,
Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-06 18.36:
> I'll repeat what Jim said: how do you think IBM can force us to take
> the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.
it wasn't me who stated that, so don't ask me. :-)
I stated with my previous mail that I do *not* think you are forced.
What I wanted to say is that statements like these *might* lead to
assumptions, and that's (IMHO) the reason why people make statements you
could be influenced.
> The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
> will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".
Ah, okay - so the software grant exists independent from the incubation
result?
> In any case... stop assuming that what*one* person says is
> representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true.
No, that wasn't my intention - sorry if it looked like that. I just
wanted to make help understand why people state things they do.
Again, I do *not* believe you are influenced. Never did so.
Florian
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