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Posted to dev@tomcat.apache.org by "Ignacio J. Ortega" <na...@siapi.es> on 2003/03/19 16:22:34 UTC
Tomcat-user
Hola a todos:
As any of you know i'm currently one the moderators ( well i'm mostly
the human spamwatch, but this another history :)..
Tomcat-user is becoming bigger and bigger over time, and more and more
devoted to jk/jk2, general user questions are becoming more and more
rare <g> this is a exageration of course, but those that lurk there know
what i'm saying :)..
I wonder if it's time to split up the user list ? the split should be
tomcat-connectors-user and tomcat-user..
Comments?
Saludos,
Ignacio J. Ortega
PS: it's a fact that we, jk/jk2 people, should think of :).
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Re: Tomcat-user
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
> Hola a todos:
>
> As any of you know i'm currently one the moderators ( well i'm mostly
> the human spamwatch, but this another history :)..
>
> Tomcat-user is becoming bigger and bigger over time, and more and more
> devoted to jk/jk2, general user questions are becoming more and more
> rare <g> this is a exageration of course, but those that lurk there know
> what i'm saying :)..
>
> I wonder if it's time to split up the user list ? the split should be
> tomcat-connectors-user and tomcat-user..
>
> Comments?
Ouch, the amount of spam on tc-user must be huge ...
Personally, I would set the list to automatically deny. It seems too
huge to be managed by one person.
Remy
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Some documentation/FAQ entry requests (Was Re: Tomcat-user)
Posted by Sriram N <sr...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Tim,
Nice work at sourceforge.
Quick comments:
1. Even though the 4.1 classloader tries to explain classloader hierarchies,
not many are knowledgeable to understand that sometimes a jar in the parent
classloader might have to be changed to load classes from child classloaders
via Thread.getContextClassLoader().load("className").
// I've probably got the API incorrect, but I've been spoilt by Visual Age and
it's method lookups, and am at a cyber cafe right now. Please bear with me.
Perhaps we could have a note somewhere that mentions how to tackle the
ClassNotFound Exceptions ?
e.g. if someone's got a mysql.jar in commons, then one will be able to store
objects into blobs, but not retrieve blobs into objects, because of class
visibility issues. At such a time, things get more confusing. "If it could
write data, w hy can it not read it back now !".
2. Embedding Tomcat.
A quick 5-10 line note on what embedding involves, perhaps ?
Tomcat's a great way to learn about web servers, and servlets, etc.
Unfortunately, not all undre-grad students really understand OO right away.
Perhaps, even a pointer to the Embedded class might help ?
3. A note that one should NOT use PkZip to uncompress tgz in windows.
I've faced problems here. Sure, the download page does point out to separate
links for Windows and Linux, but "If PKZip opens the archive, then things must
be OK, huh? " Currently winzip seems be the only Archival tool that
uncompresses the tgzs at jakarta-tomcat correctly.
I'd spent three days hunting down virii and performing scandisks, because I had
broken links in my download of the source.
Not many beginners will really appreciate stuff like "gnu extensions" etc. If
they see a smaller file, they download that.
I can't submit anything myself right now, I'm travelling and can only send
plain text files. Please let me know if someone is willing to patch these in.
-- Sriram
--- Tim Funk <fu...@joedog.org> wrote:
> I noticed there is a FAQ option for the user list if a message is sent
> to: <to...@jakarta.apache.org> but there isn't a FAQ available.
>
> <snip>
> FAQ - Frequently asked questions of the tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org list.
>
> None available yet.
> </snip>
>
> I am working on a (yet another) version of a FAQ (compared to jGuru)
> geared towards some of the common questions I see in the user list.
>
> http://tomcatfaq.sourceforge.net/
>
> How does one maintain the information coming out of the response to
> tomcat-user-faq@jakarta.apache.org? Would it be helpful to place
> information (FAQs, pointers to various documention, or other helpful
> sites) there? More importantly, would users read it?
>
> -Tim
>
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Re: Tomcat-user
Posted by Tim Funk <fu...@joedog.org>.
I noticed there is a FAQ option for the user list if a message is sent
to: <to...@jakarta.apache.org> but there isn't a FAQ available.
<snip>
FAQ - Frequently asked questions of the tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org list.
None available yet.
</snip>
I am working on a (yet another) version of a FAQ (compared to jGuru)
geared towards some of the common questions I see in the user list.
http://tomcatfaq.sourceforge.net/
How does one maintain the information coming out of the response to
tomcat-user-faq@jakarta.apache.org? Would it be helpful to place
information (FAQs, pointers to various documention, or other helpful
sites) there? More importantly, would users read it?
-Tim
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> I will second Craig's comments. -1 for create a j-t-c user list.
>
> Glenn
>
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Re: Tomcat-user
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>.
I will second Craig's comments. -1 for create a j-t-c user list.
Glenn
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mladen Turk wrote:
>
>
>>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:45:05 +0100
>>From: Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>
>>Reply-To: Tomcat Developers List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>,
>> mturk@mappingsoft.com
>>To: 'Tomcat Developers List' <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Subject: RE: Tomcat-user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ignacio J. Ortega [mailto:nacho@siapi.es]
>>>Sent: 19. o?ujak 2003 16:23
>>>To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
>>>Subject: Tomcat-user
>>>
>>>
>>>Hola a todos:
>>>
>>>As any of you know i'm currently one the moderators ( well
>>>i'm mostly the human spamwatch, but this another history :)..
>>>
>>>Tomcat-user is becoming bigger and bigger over time, and more
>>>and more devoted to jk/jk2, general user questions are
>>>becoming more and more rare <g> this is a exageration of
>>>course, but those that lurk there know what i'm saying :)..
>>>
>>>I wonder if it's time to split up the user list ? the split
>>>should be tomcat-connectors-user and tomcat-user..
>>>
>>>Comments?
>>>
>>
>>+1.
>>
>>I'm not sure about list naming perhaps just tomcat-connectors?
>>
>
>
> My experience has been that splitting lists like this has many more
> negative consequences than positive ones.
>
> * Newbies don't know where to post anyway, so they post to the
> wrong list (or, worse, double post)
>
> * People answering questions have to subscribe to two lists
> (and wade through those double posts twice instead of once)
>
> * People ask questions on one list that have already been
> answered ad nauseum on the other.
>
> Questions related to the connectors have always been the large majority of
> the issues raised on TOMCAT-USER. Having two lists isn't going to change
> that. As one of the several people here who *does* subscribe to
> TOMCAT-USER and tries to answer the occasional question (although not
> about connectors; they're black magic to me :-), I'm -1 on splitting.
>
>
>>MT.
>>
>
>
> Craig
>
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RE: Tomcat-user
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mladen Turk wrote:
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:45:05 +0100
> From: Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: Tomcat Developers List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>,
> mturk@mappingsoft.com
> To: 'Tomcat Developers List' <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: Tomcat-user
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ignacio J. Ortega [mailto:nacho@siapi.es]
> > Sent: 19. o?ujak 2003 16:23
> > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > Subject: Tomcat-user
> >
> >
> > Hola a todos:
> >
> > As any of you know i'm currently one the moderators ( well
> > i'm mostly the human spamwatch, but this another history :)..
> >
> > Tomcat-user is becoming bigger and bigger over time, and more
> > and more devoted to jk/jk2, general user questions are
> > becoming more and more rare <g> this is a exageration of
> > course, but those that lurk there know what i'm saying :)..
> >
> > I wonder if it's time to split up the user list ? the split
> > should be tomcat-connectors-user and tomcat-user..
> >
> > Comments?
> >
>
> +1.
>
> I'm not sure about list naming perhaps just tomcat-connectors?
>
My experience has been that splitting lists like this has many more
negative consequences than positive ones.
* Newbies don't know where to post anyway, so they post to the
wrong list (or, worse, double post)
* People answering questions have to subscribe to two lists
(and wade through those double posts twice instead of once)
* People ask questions on one list that have already been
answered ad nauseum on the other.
Questions related to the connectors have always been the large majority of
the issues raised on TOMCAT-USER. Having two lists isn't going to change
that. As one of the several people here who *does* subscribe to
TOMCAT-USER and tries to answer the occasional question (although not
about connectors; they're black magic to me :-), I'm -1 on splitting.
> MT.
>
Craig
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RE: Tomcat-user
Posted by Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignacio J. Ortega [mailto:nacho@siapi.es]
> Sent: 19. ožujak 2003 16:23
> To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> Subject: Tomcat-user
>
>
> Hola a todos:
>
> As any of you know i'm currently one the moderators ( well
> i'm mostly the human spamwatch, but this another history :)..
>
> Tomcat-user is becoming bigger and bigger over time, and more
> and more devoted to jk/jk2, general user questions are
> becoming more and more rare <g> this is a exageration of
> course, but those that lurk there know what i'm saying :)..
>
> I wonder if it's time to split up the user list ? the split
> should be tomcat-connectors-user and tomcat-user..
>
> Comments?
>
+1.
I'm not sure about list naming perhaps just tomcat-connectors?
MT.
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