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A Few Questions About 4.0
I am sorry if this has been asked. I search both the archives and the
Tapestry site and couldn't find the answers.
1. Is there a scheduled realese date for Tapestry 4.0 Beta1+
2. Is there a 3.0.x - 4.0 migration guide in the works?
3. If I were to start using 4.0 Alpha (not in production of course),
is it likely to change dramatically?
Thanks for any information.
Gregg Bolinger
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Re: JSR 168 support
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Most of my testing has been on eXo ... but the whole point of JSR-168
is that it should not matter. I'll be testing with Jetspeed and,
likely, Liferay, shortly. I'm still ironing out the last few
annoyances.
On 5/7/05, Christian <ch...@bluepenguin.ch> wrote:
> Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
> >
> >I'm finishing up the Porlet support right now. Once I have that finished,
> >I'll be looking to draw a line on functionality and move to a beta. Look for
> >the first beta in June.
> >
> >
> sorry for thread kidnapping: Howard, which portal/portlet container did
> you use for the JSR 168 development?
> Any suggestions on "tapestry friendlines"?
>
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JSR 168 support
Posted by Christian <ch...@bluepenguin.ch>.
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
>I'm finishing up the Porlet support right now. Once I have that finished,
>I'll be looking to draw a line on functionality and move to a beta. Look for
>the first beta in June.
>
>
sorry for thread kidnapping: Howard, which portal/portlet container did
you use for the JSR 168 development?
Any suggestions on "tapestry friendlines"?
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Matt Raible <li...@raibledesigns.com>.
On May 7, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote:
>
> On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
>
>> As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
>> application from Struts to Tapestry.
>>
>> Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
>
> I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
> folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
> released :)
I'm willing to upgrade AppFuse and Equinox to 4.0. For AppFuse, this
will require the a couple of features: friendly URLs and a global
properties file. I believe both of these are in 4.0 - right?
Matt
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Howard. I do admire you for taking 4.0 in the direction you
are headed with it. My beef was due to a lack of understanding on the
4.0 roadmap and your goals for tapestry. It takes balls to say "Hey,
some things are going to break, but it will be better in the long
run". It's something Sun needs to do with Java one of these days.
Backwards compatibility can really hinder progress.
Gregg Bolinger
On 5/7/05, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the goal, but I believe we'll only make it about 90% of the way
> there. For a few select things (usually application-wide, not specific
> to a page or component) there will be incompatible API changes -- but
> again, pages and components should continue to work as they did in the
> past, even when using the 3.0 DTDs.
>
> On 5/7/05, Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Will 3.0 apps work with 4.0 without any changes other than
> > replacing/including necessary JAR files? Can you go by the 3.0 docs
> > and still produce a 4.0 app? All I have is the online docs and TiA.
> > ;)
> >
> > Gregg
> >
> > On 5/7/05, Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
> > > > application from Struts to Tapestry.
> > > >
> > > > Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
> > >
> > > I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
> > > folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
> > > released :)
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > >
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> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
That's the goal, but I believe we'll only make it about 90% of the way
there. For a few select things (usually application-wide, not specific
to a page or component) there will be incompatible API changes -- but
again, pages and components should continue to work as they did in the
past, even when using the 3.0 DTDs.
On 5/7/05, Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will 3.0 apps work with 4.0 without any changes other than
> replacing/including necessary JAR files? Can you go by the 3.0 docs
> and still produce a 4.0 app? All I have is the online docs and TiA.
> ;)
>
> Gregg
>
> On 5/7/05, Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
> >
> > > As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
> > > application from Struts to Tapestry.
> > >
> > > Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
> >
> > I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
> > folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
> > released :)
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On May 7, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Gregg D Bolinger wrote:
> Will 3.0 apps work with 4.0 without any changes other than
> replacing/including necessary JAR files? Can you go by the 3.0 docs
> and still produce a 4.0 app? All I have is the online docs and TiA.
> ;)
I've fought back on a few changes that would have broken 3.0 apps in
4.0, and Howard has restored the API that was removed. I'm not quite
sure if it'll work that cleanly though - I believe there are some
changes that are required but I'm not sure what they are at the moment.
I'm building a new application from scratch in 4.0, so I haven't
tried it myself. I'll try one of my 3.0 apps in a few days and see
though.
One way to try this is to replace all Tapestry JAR's (and
dependencies) in the binary 3.0 Workbench webapp with the 4.0 ones
and see what happens. I haven't tried this either.
Feedback from users would be very helpful in this regard, in either
fixing whatever we can to keep as much compatibility as possible, or
at least noting it. I personally juggle too many variables and have
not noted every little change I've made regarding 4.0.
Erik
>
> Gregg
>
> On 5/7/05, Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
>>> application from Struts to Tapestry.
>>>
>>> Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
>>>
>>
>> I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
>> folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
>> released :)
>>
>> Erik
>>
>>
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com>.
Will 3.0 apps work with 4.0 without any changes other than
replacing/including necessary JAR files? Can you go by the 3.0 docs
and still produce a 4.0 app? All I have is the online docs and TiA.
;)
Gregg
On 5/7/05, Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
>
> On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
>
> > As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
> > application from Struts to Tapestry.
> >
> > Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
>
> I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
> folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
> released :)
>
> Erik
>
>
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Re: AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On May 7, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote:
> As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
> application from Struts to Tapestry.
>
> Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
I think so. I'm using CVS HEAD of 4.0 with no problems. The more
folks that use it the better 4.0 will be when it is officially
released :)
Erik
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AW: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by "Ralf E. Stranzenbach" <ra...@reswi.de>.
As a newbie on Tapestry i'm currently working on porting a sample
application from Struts to Tapestry.
Does it already make sense to start development using Tapestry 4.0 ?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Ralf Edmund Stranzenbach
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2005 22:03
An: Tapestry users; Gregg D Bolinger
Betreff: Re: A Few Questions About 4.0
On 5/6/05, Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am sorry if this has been asked. I search both the archives and the
> Tapestry site and couldn't find the answers.
>
> 1. Is there a scheduled realese date for Tapestry 4.0 Beta1+
I'm finishing up the Porlet support right now. Once I have that finished,
I'll be looking to draw a line on functionality and move to a beta. Look for
the first beta in June.
2. Is there a 3.0.x - 4.0 migration guide in the works?
There's the start of one. I'm going to carefully re-work the Virtual Library
and use that as the basis of a realistic guide.
3. If I were to start using 4.0 Alpha (not in production of course),
> is it likely to change dramatically?
I don't think so; some internals may shift, and there's a couple of minor
tweaks yet for the DTDs, possibly.
Thanks for any information.
>
> Gregg Bolinger
>
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Re: A Few Questions About 4.0
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
On 5/6/05, Gregg D Bolinger <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am sorry if this has been asked. I search both the archives and the
> Tapestry site and couldn't find the answers.
>
> 1. Is there a scheduled realese date for Tapestry 4.0 Beta1+
I'm finishing up the Porlet support right now. Once I have that finished,
I'll be looking to draw a line on functionality and move to a beta. Look for
the first beta in June.
2. Is there a 3.0.x - 4.0 migration guide in the works?
There's the start of one. I'm going to carefully re-work the Virtual Library
and use that as the basis of a realistic guide.
3. If I were to start using 4.0 Alpha (not in production of course),
> is it likely to change dramatically?
I don't think so; some internals may shift, and there's a couple of minor
tweaks yet for the DTDs, possibly.
Thanks for any information.
>
> Gregg Bolinger
>
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Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
and project work. http://howardlewisship.com