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Posted to dev@any23.apache.org by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com> on 2012/02/17 17:43:12 UTC
any23.org
Good Afternoon Richard,
We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site
the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the
any23.org DNS.
I wonder if you can comment here?
Thank you in advance.
Lewis
--
*Lewis*
Re: any23.org
Posted by Michele Mostarda <mi...@gmail.com>.
On 17 February 2012 20:25, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
> Lewis,
>
> On 17 Feb 2012, at 18:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> > I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23
> service to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure.
>
> Thanks, this helps.
>
> From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it
> happen.
>
> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to
> the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check
> back with them.
>
Thanks Richard, let us know.
>
> I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding
> the logos.
>
Well, we would like to maintain on the Any23 Service page (footer or
header) a link to a page with logos and descriptions of the original
sponsors.
>
> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ .
> What do you think should happen to that?
>
The project site has been moved here: http://incubator.apache.org/any23/
I'm going to update developers.any23.org to address people to the new site
(as I've already done with the GCode landing page)
>
> All the best,
> Richard
>
>
>
> > We have opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel
> (infrastructure team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up...
> maybe something along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be
> unnecessary depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
> >
> > Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>
> wrote:
> > Hi Lewis,
> >
> > Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process
> through the incubator process.
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be
> helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the
> any23.org domain?
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> >
> > > Good Afternoon Richard,
> > >
> > > We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't
> site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
> > >
> > > One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the
> any23.org DNS.
> > >
> > > I wonder if you can comment here?
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance.
> > >
> > > Lewis
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lewis
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lewis
> >
>
>
--
Michele Mostarda
Senior Software Engineer
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twitter: micmos
mail: me@michelemostarda.com
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Re: any23.org
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
2012/2/18 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Yep, +1 to what Lewis said.
>
> I would respectfully ask for this migration to be put on hold until I get
> a decision from Apache Trademarks, who are helping me to work
> through a compromise. It looks like creating a "History" page, with
> links/logos, etc., pointing to the history of Any23 on its way to Apache,
> and including DERI, Galway, FBK, OKRAM and Sindice on that page,
> would be the workable compromise. Then on the any23.org service page,
> we simply add a link to "History", or we simply add a "History" link in the
> left hand Apache Any23 sidebar navigation and then link to that page too.
>
> *But*, I don't have confirmation on that yet, and am working to get it. So,
> in the meanwhile, please hold off on the migration and thank you for
> your patience.
>
I'm following that thread as well, I think the 'history' page would be a
nice solution but I agree with Chris we need confirmation from @trademarks.
Tommaso
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > I don't know if you saw Chris' comments earlier, but I totally agree with
> > him. If you need a link to the thread then please say and I can direct
> you.
> > Although I don't speak for him, I'm sure if there are any further
> > clarifications required Chris would be happy to step in again as we make
> a
> > workable compromise. I am pro workable compromises :0)
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de
> >wrote:
> >
> >> There is probably a workable compromise. Currently there are four
> sponsor
> >> logos at the top of any23.org, and a “Hosted at DERI, NUI Galway” link
> in
> >> the footer. Let's say we remove the four logos, and change the footer to
> >> say something along these lines: “Hosted by ASF | Any23 is supported by
> >> DERI and FBK” Would that be acceptable for your side?
> >>
> >
> > This sounds great, I think it has already been mentioned that we already
> > link back to DERI, Galway, FBK, OKRAM & Sindice from the main Any23 site
> > and I think it is also appropriate for me to say that I am proudly
> > associated with, and happy to see Apache Any23 associated with these
> > organisations for supporting Any23 on its journey towards the Apache
> > Incubator.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Ok, I will coordinate with Michele to put the redirect in place.
> >>
> >> Thank you, I think this thread will probably get picked up at some stage
> > early next week,but until then have a great weekend.
> >
> > Lewis
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Guys,
Yep, +1 to what Lewis said.
I would respectfully ask for this migration to be put on hold until I get
a decision from Apache Trademarks, who are helping me to work
through a compromise. It looks like creating a "History" page, with
links/logos, etc., pointing to the history of Any23 on its way to Apache,
and including DERI, Galway, FBK, OKRAM and Sindice on that page,
would be the workable compromise. Then on the any23.org service page,
we simply add a link to "History", or we simply add a "History" link in the
left hand Apache Any23 sidebar navigation and then link to that page too.
*But*, I don't have confirmation on that yet, and am working to get it. So,
in the meanwhile, please hold off on the migration and thank you for
your patience.
Cheers,
Chris
On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I don't know if you saw Chris' comments earlier, but I totally agree with
> him. If you need a link to the thread then please say and I can direct you.
> Although I don't speak for him, I'm sure if there are any further
> clarifications required Chris would be happy to step in again as we make a
> workable compromise. I am pro workable compromises :0)
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>wrote:
>
>> There is probably a workable compromise. Currently there are four sponsor
>> logos at the top of any23.org, and a “Hosted at DERI, NUI Galway” link in
>> the footer. Let's say we remove the four logos, and change the footer to
>> say something along these lines: “Hosted by ASF | Any23 is supported by
>> DERI and FBK” Would that be acceptable for your side?
>>
>
> This sounds great, I think it has already been mentioned that we already
> link back to DERI, Galway, FBK, OKRAM & Sindice from the main Any23 site
> and I think it is also appropriate for me to say that I am proudly
> associated with, and happy to see Apache Any23 associated with these
> organisations for supporting Any23 on its journey towards the Apache
> Incubator.
>
>
>>
>> Ok, I will coordinate with Michele to put the redirect in place.
>>
>> Thank you, I think this thread will probably get picked up at some stage
> early next week,but until then have a great weekend.
>
> Lewis
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Richard,
I don't know if you saw Chris' comments earlier, but I totally agree with
him. If you need a link to the thread then please say and I can direct you.
Although I don't speak for him, I'm sure if there are any further
clarifications required Chris would be happy to step in again as we make a
workable compromise. I am pro workable compromises :0)
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>wrote:
> There is probably a workable compromise. Currently there are four sponsor
> logos at the top of any23.org, and a “Hosted at DERI, NUI Galway” link in
> the footer. Let's say we remove the four logos, and change the footer to
> say something along these lines: “Hosted by ASF | Any23 is supported by
> DERI and FBK” Would that be acceptable for your side?
>
This sounds great, I think it has already been mentioned that we already
link back to DERI, Galway, FBK, OKRAM & Sindice from the main Any23 site
and I think it is also appropriate for me to say that I am proudly
associated with, and happy to see Apache Any23 associated with these
organisations for supporting Any23 on its journey towards the Apache
Incubator.
>
> Ok, I will coordinate with Michele to put the redirect in place.
>
> Thank you, I think this thread will probably get picked up at some stage
early next week,but until then have a great weekend.
Lewis
Re: any23.org
Posted by Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>.
Hi Lewis,
On 17 Feb 2012, at 19:51, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check back with them.
>
> I'm not sure about this, I will find out from the trademarks team. Currently we have a sidebar/footer section on the main Apache Any23 page which already points to these external bodies. So I really don't know about the Web servcie.
If I tell the original sponsors that they'd lose all acknowledgement on the any23.org service if we switch the any23.org domain over to ASF infrastructure, then they might say that we should keep it pointed to the current version of the service that has their branding.
There is probably a workable compromise. Currently there are four sponsor logos at the top of any23.org, and a “Hosted at DERI, NUI Galway” link in the footer. Let's say we remove the four logos, and change the footer to say something along these lines: “Hosted by ASF | Any23 is supported by DERI and FBK” Would that be acceptable for your side?
>> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ . What do you think should happen to that?
>
> I think there should be a permanent http redirect response sent from this page, directing traffic to the main site, which is now http://incubator.apache.org/any23
Ok, I will coordinate with Michele to put the redirect in place.
Richard
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>wrote:
> From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it
> happen.
>
+1
>
> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to
> the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check
> back with them.
>
I'm not sure about this, I will find out from the trademarks team.
Currently we have a sidebar/footer section on the main Apache Any23 page
which already points to these external bodies. So I really don't know about
the Web servcie.
>
> I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding
> the logos.
>
> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ .
> What do you think should happen to that?
>
> I think there should be a permanent http redirect response sent from this
page, directing traffic to the main site, which is now
http://incubator.apache.org/any23
We've been trying to keep the focus on the development drive for a 0.7.0
release and are still finding the odd person or two submitting bug reports
to the googlecode stuff, which I can only presume they arrive at through
the old site @ developers.any23.org
How does this sound?
Lewis
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Tommaso,
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
>> [...snip...]
>>
>
> +1, I do agree with your sentence: "we should be able to attribute the
> branding on the any23.org site by including the original contributors to
> the projects and their logos too" and maybe opening a Jira on trademarks
> (easier to follow with the 'watch' button for the ones not subscribed to
> the trademarks@ ML) may help define if we can go this way (and be a
> reference for this kind of topics in the future).
Okey dok, no problem! I just started the thread on trademarks@, here:
http://s.apache.org/PMi
Feel free to comment/discuss there. Please include mattmann@apache.org
in any responses since I'm not subscribed to trademarks@.
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
Hi Chris, all,
2012/2/17 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
> Hey Greg,
>
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> > should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
>
> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
>
> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache
> Any23
> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
>
> The infra one:
> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
>
> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an
> inspection of the external any23.org site:
>
> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where
> Any23 was
> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated
> with
> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project
> branding
> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say
> "thanks
> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this
> before coming
> to the ASF."
>
> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
>
> Checking out:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>
> and
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
> led us to:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
>
> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
>
> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
>
> Thoughts?
>
+1, I do agree with your sentence: "we should be able to attribute the
branding on the any23.org site by including the original contributors to
the projects and their logos too" and maybe opening a Jira on trademarks
(easier to follow with the 'watch' button for the ones not subscribed to
the trademarks@ ML) may help define if we can go this way (and be a
reference for this kind of topics in the future).
Tommaso
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Everyone,
Ok Further to progress made on the issue from Infra@ (which can be seen
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439)
Please see below for my comments
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney <
lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Michele Mostarda <
> michele.mostarda@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Let's try to summarize the tasks:
>>
>> 1) provide an IP to Richard to configure the any23.org DNS to the
>> Any23 ASF machine hosting.
>> The same machine will be also resolved with the
>> service.any23.apache.org extended name.
>> Is it fine with that ?
>>
> Please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4499 for full
details, also see below for summary
Hostname - any23.zones.apache.org
IP - any23.zones IN A 140.211.11.197 <<<
>
>> 2) Remove non ASF logos from Any23 logos service page [1].
>>
> I believe this has been committed by either Michele or Simone
>
>> 3) Create a history page containing information about sponsors
>> (in documentation as .apt or a static HTML page hosted somewhere ?
>> ) [1]
>>
> This still has to be addressed therefore I opened
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-57
Other comments on this are that we need to get the service running
ourselves, this was initially requested under INFRA-4502, which has now
been closed off, but we should open an issue once we are ready tot rack
progress.
Thanks
Lewis
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4502
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
The ball is rolling please see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4499
for the DNS IP
Thanks
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Michele Mostarda <
michele.mostarda@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's try to summarize the tasks:
>
> 1) provide an IP to Richard to configure the any23.org DNS to the
> Any23 ASF machine hosting.
> The same machine will be also resolved with the
> service.any23.apache.org extended name.
> Is it fine with that ?
>
> 2) Remove non ASF logos from Any23 logos service page [1].
>
> 3) Create a history page containing information about sponsors
> (in documentation as .apt or a static HTML page hosted somewhere ?
> ) [1]
>
> The best.
>
> Mic
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-52
>
>
> On 26 February 2012 14:31, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>> > Before I do so, can we get a comprehensive list of stuff needs done.
>> >
>> > 1) Request Tomcat Server instance to run webservice on. Does this
>> require anything over and above vanilla installation?
>> > 2) Request IP address of web host from Infra@, which any23.org should
>> point to.
>> > 3) Create a history page branching off of incubator.apache.org/any23describing any23's past, the initial funding/governing bodies which
>> propelled the project forward to glory
>> > 4) We need to provide infra@ with a description of exactly what to do
>> to the the any23 webservice [0] up and running. This should be appended to
>> INFRA-4439.
>> > anything else?
>>
>> I think the any23 service webapp also needs to be updated to implement
>> the changes discussed throughout these threads (remove original sponsor
>> logos, add link to the history page), assuming this hasn't happened yet.
>>
>> AFAICT that should be all.
>>
>> > Thanks for your patience everyone, this is surely taking some time but
>> will be well worth it when we get it right.
>>
>> +1!
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Lewis
>> >
>> > [0] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/any23/trunk/service/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Michele Mostarda
> Senior Software Engineer
> skype: michele.mostarda
> twitter: micmos
> mail: me@michelemostarda.com
> site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
>
>
--
*Lewis*
Re: any23.org
Posted by Michele Mostarda <mi...@gmail.com>.
Let's try to summarize the tasks:
1) provide an IP to Richard to configure the any23.org DNS to the Any23
ASF machine hosting.
The same machine will be also resolved with the
service.any23.apache.org extended name.
Is it fine with that ?
2) Remove non ASF logos from Any23 logos service page [1].
3) Create a history page containing information about sponsors
(in documentation as .apt or a static HTML page hosted somewhere ? )
[1]
The best.
Mic
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-52
On 26 February 2012 14:31, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> > Before I do so, can we get a comprehensive list of stuff needs done.
> >
> > 1) Request Tomcat Server instance to run webservice on. Does this
> require anything over and above vanilla installation?
> > 2) Request IP address of web host from Infra@, which any23.org should
> point to.
> > 3) Create a history page branching off of incubator.apache.org/any23describing any23's past, the initial funding/governing bodies which
> propelled the project forward to glory
> > 4) We need to provide infra@ with a description of exactly what to do
> to the the any23 webservice [0] up and running. This should be appended to
> INFRA-4439.
> > anything else?
>
> I think the any23 service webapp also needs to be updated to implement the
> changes discussed throughout these threads (remove original sponsor logos,
> add link to the history page), assuming this hasn't happened yet.
>
> AFAICT that should be all.
>
> > Thanks for your patience everyone, this is surely taking some time but
> will be well worth it when we get it right.
>
> +1!
>
> Richard
>
>
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> > [0] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/any23/trunk/service/
>
>
--
Michele Mostarda
Senior Software Engineer
skype: michele.mostarda
twitter: micmos
mail: me@michelemostarda.com
site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
Re: any23.org
Posted by Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>.
On 26 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Before I do so, can we get a comprehensive list of stuff needs done.
>
> 1) Request Tomcat Server instance to run webservice on. Does this require anything over and above vanilla installation?
> 2) Request IP address of web host from Infra@, which any23.org should point to.
> 3) Create a history page branching off of incubator.apache.org/any23 describing any23's past, the initial funding/governing bodies which propelled the project forward to glory
> 4) We need to provide infra@ with a description of exactly what to do to the the any23 webservice [0] up and running. This should be appended to INFRA-4439.
> anything else?
I think the any23 service webapp also needs to be updated to implement the changes discussed throughout these threads (remove original sponsor logos, add link to the history page), assuming this hasn't happened yet.
AFAICT that should be all.
> Thanks for your patience everyone, this is surely taking some time but will be well worth it when we get it right.
+1!
Richard
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/any23/trunk/service/
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>wrote:
> There's one more wrinkle to this. The any23 service is aware of its own
> URL, and the URL matters because the service is also intended as a quick
> and dirty way of invoking any23's format conversion functionality if you
> don't have it installed.
> ...
> Therefore I'd prefer to see the service configured so that it keeps
> announcing its base URL as any23.org rather than service.any23.apache.org.
>
> Is this ok with everyone?
>
With this said, I think we should strive to retain any23.org as the main
web service. Fundamentally this is an issue with Google code references,
and of course the Apache Trademark policy. We don't want to make things any
more difficult if we can help it. I think we should put the proposal
across, with the above information and see where we get. Shane already
stated that this is somewhat of a boundary case and that there is little
guidelines governing cases such as this, therefore keeping it simple will
ease the learning process of some of us hopefully. He also mentioned that
ti shoudl be an Infra@ and any23-dev decision... bascially whatever is
easier. Regardless of what level of traffic is coming through any23.org a
change would mean that whoever has/is/will/would use the service would
spend time looking for a new domain. I think we should retain any23.org if
possible.
> On the DNS side, I would need the IP address (not just a hostname) that
> any23.org should be pointed to. Unfortunately the domain registrar
> doesn't let me create CNAME records for second-level domains but only A
> records.
>
This is purely an Infra question and I will add this information to
INFRA-4439.
Before I do so, can we get a comprehensive list of stuff needs done.
1) Request Tomcat Server instance to run webservice on. Does this require
anything over and above vanilla installation?
2) Request IP address of web host from Infra@, which any23.org should point
to.
3) Create a history page branching off of
incubator.apache.org/any23describing any23's past, the initial
funding/governing bodies which
propelled the project forward to glory
4) We need to provide infra@ with a description of exactly what to do to
the the any23 webservice [0] up and running. This should be appended to
INFRA-4439.
anything else?
Thanks for your patience everyone, this is surely taking some time but will
be well worth it when we get it right.
Lewis
[0] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/any23/trunk/service/
Re: any23.org
Posted by Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>.
Michele, Lewis,
There's one more wrinkle to this. The any23 service is aware of its own URL, and the URL matters because the service is also intended as a quick and dirty way of invoking any23's format conversion functionality if you don't have it installed.
Take this example from the service homepage at http://any23.org/ :
http://any23.org/best/twitter.com/cygri
If I ever need the embedded metadata from my twitter feed in Turtle format, I can just construct that URL from memory and get it. If the service moves to service.any23.apache.org, then this becomes rather unwieldy:
http://service.any23.apache.org/best/twitter.com/cygri
Therefore I'd prefer to see the service configured so that it keeps announcing its base URL as any23.org rather than service.any23.apache.org.
Is this ok with everyone?
On the DNS side, I would need the IP address (not just a hostname) that any23.org should be pointed to. Unfortunately the domain registrar doesn't let me create CNAME records for second-level domains but only A records.
Best,
Richard
On 26 Feb 2012, at 11:50, Michele Mostarda wrote:
>
>
> On 23 February 2012 15:24, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Lewis,
>
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>
> > Thanks Chris for persisting with this one.
> >
> > I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with creating a history page linked to through the side bar in incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original organizations and developers of Any23.
>
> +1.
>
> >
> > I'll also update INFRA-4439 to:
> >
> > 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please
>
> That would be OK with me, but I'd like the PPMC members to comment too,
> especially those like Michelle involved with the prior service. In the end,
> we probably should redirect any23.org to this new domain/service we
> create at Apache.
>
> > 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service.
>
> Great.
>
> >
> > Comments please?
>
> +1
> The redirect from any23.org to an ASF host is ok for me.
>
> I don't control the any23.org domain but I think Richard can configure the redirect.
> Please Richard ack.
>
> The best.
>
> Mic
>
>
> +1!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as well,
> > so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to call it.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> > > would lean!
> > >
> > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> > > decision back to the project and work with them to:
> > >
> > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> > > 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> > > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions
> > > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> > > imply any governance in either direction
> > > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the
> > > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to
> > > 2.
> > >
> > > Thanks, again!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> > >
> > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
> > >>
> > >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> > >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> > >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
> > >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> > >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
> > >>
> > >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
> > >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> > >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
> > >>
> > >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> > >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> > >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> > >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> > >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> > >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> > >> commercial companies.
> > >>
> > >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> > >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
> > >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> > >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> > >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
> > >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> > >> commercial company.
> > >>
> > >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> > >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> > >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
> > >> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
> > >>
> > >> Make sense?
> > >>
> > >> - Shane
> > >>
> > >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> > >>> Hey Greg,
> > >>>
> > >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> > >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> > >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> > >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
> > >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
> > >>>
> > >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
> > >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
> > >>>
> > >>> The infra one:
> > >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> > >>>
> > >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
> > >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
> > >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
> > >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
> > >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
> > >>> to the ASF."
> > >>>
> > >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
> > >>>
> > >>> Checking out:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> > >>>
> > >>> and
> > >>>
> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> > >>>
> > >>> led us to:
> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
> > >>>
> > >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
> > >>>
> > >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> > >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> > >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> > >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
> > >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
> > >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > Senior Computer Scientist
> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lewis
> >
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michele Mostarda
> Senior Software Engineer
> skype: michele.mostarda
> twitter: micmos
> mail: me@michelemostarda.com
> site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by Michele Mostarda <mi...@gmail.com>.
On 23 February 2012 15:24, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Lewis,
>
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>
> > Thanks Chris for persisting with this one.
> >
> > I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working
> from this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site
> from (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would
> like to get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to
> progress with creating a history page linked to through the side bar in
> incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the
> original organizations and developers of Any23.
>
> +1.
>
> >
> > I'll also update INFRA-4439 to:
> >
> > 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please
>
> That would be OK with me, but I'd like the PPMC members to comment too,
> especially those like Michelle involved with the prior service. In the end,
> we probably should redirect any23.org to this new domain/service we
> create at Apache.
>
> > 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service.
>
> Great.
>
> >
> > Comments please?
>
+1
The redirect from any23.org to an ASF host is ok for me.
I don't control the any23.org domain but I think Richard can configure the
redirect.
Please Richard ack.
The best.
Mic
>
> +1!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History"
> as well,
> > so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want
> to call it.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> > > would lean!
> > >
> > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> > > decision back to the project and work with them to:
> > >
> > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> > > 2. put up a per project thanks page on
> http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> > > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt'
> institutions
> > > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> > > imply any governance in either direction
> > > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links
> to the
> > > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page
> similarly to
> > > 2.
> > >
> > > Thanks, again!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> > >
> > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public
> lists)
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
> > >>
> > >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> > >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> > >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support
> from
> > >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> > >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
> > >>
> > >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations
> on
> > >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> > >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
> > >>
> > >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> > >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> > >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> > >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> > >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> > >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> > >> commercial companies.
> > >>
> > >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> > >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or
> even
> > >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> > >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> > >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy
> in
> > >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> > >> commercial company.
> > >>
> > >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> > >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> > >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
> > >> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
> > >>
> > >> Make sense?
> > >>
> > >> - Shane
> > >>
> > >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> > >>> Hey Greg,
> > >>>
> > >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> > >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> > >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they
> had
> > >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for
> Any23,
> > >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
> > >>>
> > >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to
> Apache Any23
> > >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding
> question:
> > >>>
> > >>> The infra one:
> > >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> > >>>
> > >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an
> inspection of the external any23.org site:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions
> where Any23 was
> > >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page
> associated with
> > >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to
> project branding
> > >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them
> to say "thanks
> > >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding
> this before coming
> > >>> to the ASF."
> > >>>
> > >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on
> list.
> > >>>
> > >>> Checking out:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> > >>>
> > >>> and
> > >>>
> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> > >>>
> > >>> led us to:
> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
> > >>>
> > >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks
> pages".
> > >>>
> > >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> > >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> > >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> > >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a
> manner
> > >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no
> follow)
> > >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > Senior Computer Scientist
> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lewis
> >
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
--
Michele Mostarda
Senior Software Engineer
skype: michele.mostarda
twitter: micmos
mail: me@michelemostarda.com
site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Lewis,
On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Thanks Chris for persisting with this one.
>
> I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with creating a history page linked to through the side bar in incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original organizations and developers of Any23.
+1.
>
> I'll also update INFRA-4439 to:
>
> 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please
That would be OK with me, but I'd like the PPMC members to comment too,
especially those like Michelle involved with the prior service. In the end,
we probably should redirect any23.org to this new domain/service we
create at Apache.
> 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service.
Great.
>
> Comments please?
+1!
Cheers,
Chris
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as well,
> so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to call it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> > would lean!
> >
> > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> > decision back to the project and work with them to:
> >
> > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> > 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions
> > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> > imply any governance in either direction
> > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the
> > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to
> > 2.
> >
> > Thanks, again!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >
> >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
> >>
> >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
> >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
> >>
> >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
> >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
> >>
> >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
> >>
> >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> >> commercial companies.
> >>
> >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
> >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
> >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> >> commercial company.
> >>
> >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
> >> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
> >>
> >> Make sense?
> >>
> >> - Shane
> >>
> >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >>> Hey Greg,
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
> >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
> >>>
> >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
> >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
> >>>
> >>> The infra one:
> >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> >>>
> >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
> >>>
> >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
> >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
> >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
> >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
> >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
> >>> to the ASF."
> >>>
> >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
> >>>
> >>> Checking out:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >>>
> >>> led us to:
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
> >>>
> >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
> >>>
> >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
> >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
> >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lewis
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Chris for persisting with this one.
I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from
this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from
(took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to
get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with
creating a history page linked to through the side bar in
incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original
organizations and developers of Any23.
I'll also update INFRA-4439 to:
1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please
2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service.
Comments please?
Lewis
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History"
> as well,
> so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to
> call it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> > would lean!
> >
> > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> > decision back to the project and work with them to:
> >
> > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> > 2. put up a per project thanks page on
> http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt'
> institutions
> > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> > imply any governance in either direction
> > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links
> to the
> > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly
> to
> > 2.
> >
> > Thanks, again!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >
> >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
> >>
> >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
> >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
> >>
> >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
> >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
> >>
> >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
> >>
> >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> >> commercial companies.
> >>
> >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
> >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
> >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> >> commercial company.
> >>
> >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
> >> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
> >>
> >> Make sense?
> >>
> >> - Shane
> >>
> >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >>> Hey Greg,
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for
> Any23,
> >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
> >>>
> >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to
> Apache Any23
> >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding
> question:
> >>>
> >>> The infra one:
> >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> >>>
> >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an
> inspection of the external any23.org site:
> >>>
> >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions
> where Any23 was
> >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page
> associated with
> >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to
> project branding
> >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to
> say "thanks
> >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding
> this before coming
> >>> to the ASF."
> >>>
> >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
> >>>
> >>> Checking out:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >>>
> >>> led us to:
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
> >>>
> >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks
> pages".
> >>>
> >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a
> manner
> >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no
> follow)
> >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
--
*Lewis*
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as well,
so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to call it.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Chris
On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> would lean!
>
> Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> decision back to the project and work with them to:
>
> 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions
> predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> imply any governance in either direction
> 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the
> per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to
> 2.
>
> Thanks, again!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
>> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
>>
>> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
>>
>> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
>> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
>> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
>> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
>> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
>>
>> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
>> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
>> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
>>
>> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
>> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
>> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
>>
>> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
>> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
>> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
>> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
>> commercial companies.
>>
>> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
>> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
>> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
>> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
>> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
>> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
>> commercial company.
>>
>> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
>> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
>> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
>> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
>>
>> Make sense?
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>> Hey Greg,
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>
>>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
>>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
>>>
>>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
>>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
>>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
>>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
>>>
>>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
>>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
>>>
>>> The infra one:
>>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
>>>
>>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
>>>
>>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
>>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
>>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
>>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
>>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
>>> to the ASF."
>>>
>>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
>>>
>>> Checking out:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>
>>> led us to:
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
>>>
>>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
>>>
>>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
>>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
>>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
>>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
>>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
>>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
would lean!
Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
decision back to the project and work with them to:
1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions
predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
imply any governance in either direction
3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the
per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to
2.
Thanks, again!
Cheers,
Chris
On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
>
> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
>
> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
>
> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
>
> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
>
> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> commercial companies.
>
> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> commercial company.
>
> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
>
> Make sense?
>
> - Shane
>
> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> Hey Greg,
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
>>
>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
>>
>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
>>
>> The infra one:
>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
>>
>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
>>
>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
>> to the ASF."
>>
>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
>>
>> Checking out:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>> led us to:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
>>
>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
>>
>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
(Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
(it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
commercial companies.
For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
commercial company.
Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
here, I don't think that will be an issue.
Make sense?
- Shane
On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hey Greg,
>
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
>
> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
>
> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
>
> The infra one:
> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
>
> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
>
> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
> to the ASF."
>
> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
>
> Checking out:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>
> and
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
> led us to:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
>
> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
>
> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Greg,
On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
The infra one:
1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the external any23.org site:
1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
to the ASF."
I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
Checking out:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
and
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
led us to:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 17/02/12 21:20, Greg Stein wrote:
> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
+1
It's a meritocracy of individuals.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#independent
recognizes only per-project thanks/support pages
We need to widen this to the static site as well.
The current http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ has the logos of those
organisations.
I can't find a TLP with company logos on their front page or even
company names. Nor OpenOffice for that matter.
Andy
PS Hi Richard!
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 15:51, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Thanks for your email.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>>
>>> Lewis,
>>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 18:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>>>> I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23 service to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure.
>>>
>>> Thanks, this helps.
>>>
>>> From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it happen.
>>
>> +1!
>>
>>>
>>> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check back with them.
>>
>> I'm CC'ing trademarks@ to keep them in the loop and I certainly don't speak for them, but
>> my opinion as an ASF member here and the project's mentor is that we should be able
>> to attribute the branding on the any23.org site by including the original contributors to the projects
>> and their logos too. That's always nice to have a bit of goodwill there. Shane, others on trademarks@, would you
>> agree?
>>
>> Like I would see the page including a:
>>
>> Welcome to Apache^TM Any23 blah blah....
>>
>> Then:
>>
>> Thanks to the original sponsors of the Any23 project:
>>
>> (logos of those sponsors)
>>
>>>
>>> I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding the logos.
>>>
>>> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ . What do you think should happen to that?
>>
>> Would you be willing to redirect that or allow us to host that at Apache too?
>>
>> Thank you for considering and commenting on it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We have opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel (infrastructure team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up... maybe something along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be unnecessary depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak<ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
>>>> Hi Lewis,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process through the incubator process.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the any23.org domain?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good Afternoon Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the any23.org DNS.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if you can comment here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lewis
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
Re: any23.org
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 15:51, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Thanks for your email.
>
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>
>> Lewis,
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 18:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>>> I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23 service to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure.
>>
>> Thanks, this helps.
>>
>> From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it happen.
>
> +1!
>
>>
>> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check back with them.
>
> I'm CC'ing trademarks@ to keep them in the loop and I certainly don't speak for them, but
> my opinion as an ASF member here and the project's mentor is that we should be able
> to attribute the branding on the any23.org site by including the original contributors to the projects
> and their logos too. That's always nice to have a bit of goodwill there. Shane, others on trademarks@, would you
> agree?
>
> Like I would see the page including a:
>
> Welcome to Apache^TM Any23 blah blah....
>
> Then:
>
> Thanks to the original sponsors of the Any23 project:
>
> (logos of those sponsors)
>
>>
>> I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding the logos.
>>
>> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ . What do you think should happen to that?
>
> Would you be willing to redirect that or allow us to host that at Apache too?
>
> Thank you for considering and commenting on it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>>
>>
>>> We have opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel (infrastructure team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up... maybe something along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be unnecessary depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Lewis,
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process through the incubator process.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the any23.org domain?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good Afternoon Richard,
>>>>
>>>> We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the any23.org DNS.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if you can comment here?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Lewis
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lewis
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your email.
On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
> Lewis,
>
> On 17 Feb 2012, at 18:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>> I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23 service to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure.
>
> Thanks, this helps.
>
> From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it happen.
+1!
>
> There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check back with them.
I'm CC'ing trademarks@ to keep them in the loop and I certainly don't speak for them, but
my opinion as an ASF member here and the project's mentor is that we should be able
to attribute the branding on the any23.org site by including the original contributors to the projects
and their logos too. That's always nice to have a bit of goodwill there. Shane, others on trademarks@, would you
agree?
Like I would see the page including a:
Welcome to Apache^TM Any23 blah blah....
Then:
Thanks to the original sponsors of the Any23 project:
(logos of those sponsors)
>
> I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding the logos.
>
> There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ . What do you think should happen to that?
Would you be willing to redirect that or allow us to host that at Apache too?
Thank you for considering and commenting on it.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Chris
>
>
>> We have opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel (infrastructure team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up... maybe something along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be unnecessary depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
>> Hi Lewis,
>>
>> Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process through the incubator process.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the any23.org domain?
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>>
>>> Good Afternoon Richard,
>>>
>>> We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
>>>
>>> One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the any23.org DNS.
>>>
>>> I wonder if you can comment here?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lewis
>>
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: any23.org
Posted by Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>.
Lewis,
On 17 Feb 2012, at 18:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23 service to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure.
Thanks, this helps.
From a technical point of view this makes sense and I'd like to see it happen.
There's a bit of branding on any23.org from the various contributors to the original project. Would that have to go? In that case I'd need to check back with them.
I'm cc'ing Michele – he might be able to speak for FBK and DERI regarding the logos.
There's also the old project website at http://developers.any23.org/ . What do you think should happen to that?
All the best,
Richard
> We have opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel (infrastructure team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up... maybe something along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be unnecessary depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
>
> Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de> wrote:
> Hi Lewis,
>
> Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process through the incubator process.
>
> I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the any23.org domain?
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>
> On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>
> > Good Afternoon Richard,
> >
> > We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
> >
> > One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the any23.org DNS.
> >
> > I wonder if you can comment here?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> > --
> > Lewis
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lewis
>
Re: any23.org
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Richard,
I was basically trying to ask whether you are happy for the Any23 service
to remain on any23.org, however run on Apache infrastructure. We have
opened a ticket here [1] to track the progress and Daniel (infrastructure
team) asked whether a new DNS would need to be set up... maybe something
along the lines of service.any23.apache.org. This may be unnecessary
depending upon what your feelings are with any23.org?
Thanks for getting back to us on this one.
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4439
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>wrote:
> Hi Lewis,
>
> Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process
> through the incubator process.
>
> I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be
> helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the
> any23.org domain?
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>
> On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
>
> > Good Afternoon Richard,
> >
> > We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't
> site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
> >
> > One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the
> any23.org DNS.
> >
> > I wonder if you can comment here?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> > --
> > Lewis
> >
>
>
--
*Lewis*
Re: any23.org
Posted by Richard Cyganiak <ri...@cyganiak.de>.
Hi Lewis,
Thanks for getting in touch. It's great to see any23 make its process through the incubator process.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking though. A bit more detail would be helpful. What exactly is the issue with the current situation around the any23.org domain?
Best,
Richard
On 17 Feb 2012, at 16:43, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Good Afternoon Richard,
>
> We are in the process of sorting out an Any23 webservice that doesn't site the old Googlecode site, and which adheres to ASF trademark policy etc.
>
> One of the issues is whether or not we would (be able to) retain the any23.org DNS.
>
> I wonder if you can comment here?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Lewis
>
> --
> Lewis
>