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[jira] Created: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
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Key: DERBY-3846
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
Project: Derby
Issue Type: Bug
Components: Documentation
Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
Reporter: Rick Hillegas
The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
* derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
* derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
* derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
* derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
* derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
* derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
* derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
* derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
* derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
* derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
* derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
* derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
* derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
German
Spanish
French
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Traditional and Simplified Chinese
This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
b) The localizations are being actively maintained
2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Daniel John Debrunner (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Daniel John Debrunner commented on DERBY-3846:
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Not sure the claim can be made that some localizations are better maintained than others, in an open source project past maintenance is no guarantee of future maintenance. Really an incorrect or missing translation in any provided locale is just a bug, and there may or may not be interest from someone in fixing it, much like any other bug.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Rick Hillegas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Rick Hillegas commented on DERBY-3846:
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Thanks, Kim. That sounds good to me.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Updated: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Kim Haase updated DERBY-3846:
-----------------------------
Derby Info: [Patch Available]
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Kim Haase commented on DERBY-3846:
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I gather that the solution is to keep this simple and just add the new locale jars to the list without adding any caveats. I'll file a patch based on this assumption unless I hear otherwise.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Resolved: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Kim Haase resolved DERBY-3846.
------------------------------
Resolution: Fixed
Fix Version/s: 10.5.1.2
Derby Info: (was: [Patch Available])
Thanks, Rick!
Committed patch DERBY-3846-2.diff to documentation trunk at revision 777181.
Merged to 10.5 branch at revision 777186.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Fix For: 10.5.1.2
>
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846-2.diff, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Rick Hillegas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Rick Hillegas commented on DERBY-3846:
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Thanks, Kim. Looks good. I wonder if we should not mention the sysinfo defect in the Polish localizations. Many of the other localizations have drifted out-of-sync with the English versions and, in my opinion, those skews are more significant than the missing Polish variants for sysinfo.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Rick Hillegas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Rick Hillegas commented on DERBY-3846:
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Thanks for the quick response, Dan. That sounds like a vote for (1a) but with a caution that we should remain silent about the variable bug counts across localizations.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Closed: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message libraries
looks wrong
Posted by "Rick Hillegas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Rick Hillegas closed DERBY-3846.
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Confirmed that changes appear in trunk docs. Closing.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Fix For: 10.5.1.2
>
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846-2.diff, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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Rick Hillegas commented on DERBY-3846:
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Thanks, Kim. +1
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846-2.diff, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Updated: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Kim Haase updated DERBY-3846:
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Attachment: DERBY-3846-2.diff
cdevin38113.html
Thanks -- that makes sense, Rick. Attaching a revised patch (DERBY-3846-2.diff) and output file.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846-2.diff, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Assigned: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Kim Haase reassigned DERBY-3846:
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Assignee: Kim Haase
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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[jira] Updated: (DERBY-3846) The list of supported message
libraries looks wrong
Posted by "Kim Haase (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Kim Haase updated DERBY-3846:
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Attachment: cdevin38113.html
DERBY-3846.diff
Thanks, Rick, for the go-ahead. I'm attaching DERBY-3846.diff and the resulting cdevin38113.html. I made one little font tweak in addition to adding the file names. I thought of trying to resolve the other font inconsistencies but decided to keep it simple.
> The list of supported message libraries looks wrong
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-3846
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3846
> Project: Derby
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: Documentation
> Affects Versions: 10.4.1.3
> Reporter: Rick Hillegas
> Assignee: Kim Haase
> Attachments: cdevin38113.html, DERBY-3846.diff
>
>
> The "Messages libraries" section of the Derby Developer's Guide says that Derby "supports" a number of locales:
> * derbyLocale_de_DE.jar German
> * derbyLocale_es.jar - Spanish
> * derbyLocale_fr.jar - French
> * derbyLocale_it.jar - Italian
> * derbyLocale_ja_JP.jar - Japanese
> * derbyLocale_ko_KR.jar - Korean
> * derbyLocale_pt_BR.jar - Brazilian Portuguese
> * derbyLocale_zh_CN.jar - Simplified Chinese
> * derbyLocale_zh_TW.jar - Traditional Chinese
> In fact, in addition to these locales, Derby provides localizations for some others (see http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/LocalizingDerbyMessages):
> * derbyLocale_cs.jar - Czech
> * derbyLocale_hu.jar - Hungarian
> * derbyLocale_pl.jar - Polish (except for sysinfo)
> * derbyLocale_ru.jar - Russian
> The term "supports" may overdescribe the situation. Effort has been put into keeping some of these localizations up-to-date, although I don't think that any systematic effort has been put into verifying that any of our non-English locales are really current. Some locales have not been updated recently. Here's the list of locales which received fresh localizations in 10.4 (see http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-3804):
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Italian
> Japanese
> Korean
> Traditional and Simplified Chinese
> This means that the Developer's Guide is claiming that Derby "supports" Portuguese, even though it's clear that those localizations are drifting out of sync with the English messages.
> We should correct the "Message libraries" section:
> 1) We should decide what we mean by "supports". This term could mean
>
> a) Derby provides SOME localized messages for the locale or
> b) The localizations are being actively maintained
> 2) Based on what how we resolve (1), we should add or subtract locales from the list in "Message libraries"
> My gut feeling is that we should list all of the locales for which we provide localizations and this section should note that some locales are maintained better than others.
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