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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> on 2006/01/10 20:03:16 UTC
[DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
about this back in March.)
I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
addresses would change.
The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
(projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
A TLP move would also be a good time to:
- Rethink our release numbering strategy
- Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
- Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
(semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
looking dated!
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
Just my 2 cents:
+1 on the move since it reflects project maturity and gives a good
impression overall. I'd make sure the coding/documentation standards get
a lift up with the change to reflect the "new status".
On the other hand, having different committers for sub-projects would
allow to do a separate Tapestry-Components project maintained with the
Apache infrastructure... So, good for that too ;).
Of course, I'm just a contributor, not a committer ;).
--
Ing. Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
DTQ Software
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
>
> I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
>
> In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> addresses would change.
>
> The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
>
> However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
>
> A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
>
>
> On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> looking dated!
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On 1/10/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
+1 for me
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
I'd vote for you if it came to it Kent, I just didn't want any red tape-ish
things preventing the top level move ;)
On 1/11/06, Kent Tong <ke...@cpttm.org.mo> wrote:
>
> Howard Lewis Ship <hlship <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> > about this back in March.)
>
> +1
>
> > However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> > desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> > lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> > kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> > demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
>
> I'm glad that Jesse is already volunteering. I'd suggest that the
> PMC be setup first, then identify anyone who'd like to act as the
> chairman and then vote.
>
> > On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> > the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> > (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> > looking dated!
>
> My friend is very eager to help. She designed the covers of all my
> books (see http://agileskills2.org/EWDT and http://agileskills2.org/DWSAA)
> and some beautiful web sites (see
> http://www2.cpttm.org.mo/training/cm104-03-2003-c/showcase but it's
> in Chinese).
>
> Let me know if you'd like her to help.
>
> --
> Author of a book for learning Tapestry (www.agileskills2.org/EWDT)
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Kent Tong <ke...@cpttm.org.mo>.
Howard Lewis Ship <hlship <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
+1
> However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
I'm glad that Jesse is already volunteering. I'd suggest that the
PMC be setup first, then identify anyone who'd like to act as the
chairman and then vote.
> On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> looking dated!
My friend is very eager to help. She designed the covers of all my
books (see http://agileskills2.org/EWDT and http://agileskills2.org/DWSAA)
and some beautiful web sites (see
http://www2.cpttm.org.mo/training/cm104-03-2003-c/showcase but it's
in Chinese).
Let me know if you'd like her to help.
--
Author of a book for learning Tapestry (www.agileskills2.org/EWDT)
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
So ... I think we could probably proceed to a vote, if we could agree
on a PMC Chair. I'll do it if I have to (I'm already an Apache
Member) but, again, it would improve the perception of Tapestry if
some one else would fulfill this role. Any volunteers?
On 1/12/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
> > the Chair is.
>
> Pretty much. Need to get a proposal written, part of which is listing
> the PMC and the Chair.
>
> Then call for a vote on general@jakarta.
>
> Here's the Tomcat TLP Vote, which includes an example of the proposal.
> The wording is important, what you're writing is a board resolution to
> be voted on at the next board meeting [3rd Wednesday of the month from
> memory].
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200504.mbox/%3c4254728C.5080302@darwinsys.com%3e
>
> So, Tapestry subproject decide informally (vote, whatever you want to
> do) to goto TLP and draft a proposal. Jakarta as a whole (or rather
> the PMC members on general@) vote on whether they want to send it to
> the board. Chair takes it to the board, they vote on it. TLP happens.
>
> Hen
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Is ~anyone~ going to volunteer for this?
On 1/18/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've set up a draft TLP resolution on the Wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-tapestry/TapestryTLP
>
> On 1/12/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/12/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
> > > the Chair is.
> >
> > Pretty much. Need to get a proposal written, part of which is listing
> > the PMC and the Chair.
> >
> > Then call for a vote on general@jakarta.
> >
> > Here's the Tomcat TLP Vote, which includes an example of the proposal.
> > The wording is important, what you're writing is a board resolution to
> > be voted on at the next board meeting [3rd Wednesday of the month from
> > memory].
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200504.mbox/%3c4254728C.5080302@darwinsys.com%3e
> >
> > So, Tapestry subproject decide informally (vote, whatever you want to
> > do) to goto TLP and draft a proposal. Jakarta as a whole (or rather
> > the PMC members on general@) vote on whether they want to send it to
> > the board. Chair takes it to the board, they vote on it. TLP happens.
> >
> > Hen
> >
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> >
>
>
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> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
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> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I've set up a draft TLP resolution on the Wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-tapestry/TapestryTLP
On 1/12/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
> > the Chair is.
>
> Pretty much. Need to get a proposal written, part of which is listing
> the PMC and the Chair.
>
> Then call for a vote on general@jakarta.
>
> Here's the Tomcat TLP Vote, which includes an example of the proposal.
> The wording is important, what you're writing is a board resolution to
> be voted on at the next board meeting [3rd Wednesday of the month from
> memory].
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200504.mbox/%3c4254728C.5080302@darwinsys.com%3e
>
> So, Tapestry subproject decide informally (vote, whatever you want to
> do) to goto TLP and draft a proposal. Jakarta as a whole (or rather
> the PMC members on general@) vote on whether they want to send it to
> the board. Chair takes it to the board, they vote on it. TLP happens.
>
> Hen
>
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>
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Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 1/12/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
> the Chair is.
Pretty much. Need to get a proposal written, part of which is listing
the PMC and the Chair.
Then call for a vote on general@jakarta.
Here's the Tomcat TLP Vote, which includes an example of the proposal.
The wording is important, what you're writing is a board resolution to
be voted on at the next board meeting [3rd Wednesday of the month from
memory].
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200504.mbox/%3c4254728C.5080302@darwinsys.com%3e
So, Tapestry subproject decide informally (vote, whatever you want to
do) to goto TLP and draft a proposal. Jakarta as a whole (or rather
the PMC members on general@) vote on whether they want to send it to
the board. Chair takes it to the board, they vote on it. TLP happens.
Hen
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 1/12/06, Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One interesting thing I noted was that the chair must become a
> corporate officer of the Foundation.
Right. The chair would be "VP of Apache Tapestry". Not so much that
they 'must become'; the chair is an officer position. Need to make
that clear as there have been times when people mistakenly thought
there could be one person as a chair and one as a VP when writing
their proposals.
It's only recently that being an officer has had any kind of impact on
me; we recently had to note down the officer's addresses for the tax
return.
-
Some other important bits:
* The chair is the only one responsible to the board (and through them
to the members) for the project.
* The board choose the chair. Your proposal recommends a chair, but
the board appoints.
* It means another mailing list, you'll have to listen to board@.
Medium level traffic. Probably more in terms of effort than sending in
the report, but good educational stuff.
Hen
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com>.
FYI, Any potential chair candidate should review:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
In fact we all should have a look :-)
One interesting thing I noted was that the chair must become a
corporate officer of the Foundation.
Im a wholehearted +1 BTW
Geoff
On 1/12/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
> the Chair is.
>
> I think a good guess for the PMC would be all the active members of
> Tapestry (in no order):
>
> HLS, HK, DS, MB, JK, KT, GL, PF, RLS
>
> In terms of Chair, we're looking for someone with a long term
> experience with Tapestry. We have a wide mix of activity levels at
> different times.
>
> Over the long term, DS and MB are probably the biggest contributors
> after HLS. PF and JK are on the way up, but are fairly recent. GL
> has moved mountains, but from the outside (Spindle). Please don't
> interpret these as slights; these are my observations.
>
> So, I think a good start would be to see if DS or MB is interested in the Chair.
>
> I'm hoping that the Chair position is not a big time sink; I really
> think it's mostly about quarterly communication with the apache board;
> you can see Henri's most recent report:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/pmc/board-report-december2005.html
>
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
> On 1/12/06, David Solis <ds...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > IMO, this topic is very important and it would be the next level for
> > Tapestry. Some of my clients think Tapestry depends too much on Howard
> > Ship.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > D.
> > On 1/10/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> > > about this back in March.)
> > >
> > > I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> > > second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> > > Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> > > to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
> > >
> > > In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> > > own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> > > reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> > > addresses would change.
> > >
> > > The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> > > (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> > > of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> > > give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
> > >
> > > However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> > > desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> > > lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> > > kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> > > demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
> > >
> > > A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> > > - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> > > - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> > > - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
> > >
> > >
> > > On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> > > the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> > > (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> > > looking dated!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > > Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> > > Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> > > Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
> > >
> > > Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> > > and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
> > >
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> > >
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> >
>
>
> --
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> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
So, I think the first step is to figure out who the PMC is, and who
the Chair is.
I think a good guess for the PMC would be all the active members of
Tapestry (in no order):
HLS, HK, DS, MB, JK, KT, GL, PF, RLS
In terms of Chair, we're looking for someone with a long term
experience with Tapestry. We have a wide mix of activity levels at
different times.
Over the long term, DS and MB are probably the biggest contributors
after HLS. PF and JK are on the way up, but are fairly recent. GL
has moved mountains, but from the outside (Spindle). Please don't
interpret these as slights; these are my observations.
So, I think a good start would be to see if DS or MB is interested in the Chair.
I'm hoping that the Chair position is not a big time sink; I really
think it's mostly about quarterly communication with the apache board;
you can see Henri's most recent report:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/pmc/board-report-december2005.html
Thoughts? Comments?
On 1/12/06, David Solis <ds...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO, this topic is very important and it would be the next level for
> Tapestry. Some of my clients think Tapestry depends too much on Howard
> Ship.
>
> Regards
>
> D.
> On 1/10/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> > about this back in March.)
> >
> > I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> > second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> > Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> > to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
> >
> > In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> > own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> > reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> > addresses would change.
> >
> > The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> > (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> > of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> > give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
> >
> > However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> > desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> > lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> > kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> > demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
> >
> > A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> > - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> > - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> > - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
> >
> >
> > On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> > the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> > (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> > looking dated!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> > Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> > Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
> >
> > Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> > and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by David Solis <ds...@gmail.com>.
IMO, this topic is very important and it would be the next level for
Tapestry. Some of my clients think Tapestry depends too much on Howard
Ship.
Regards
D.
On 1/10/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
>
> I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
>
> In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> addresses would change.
>
> The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
>
> However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
>
> A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
>
>
> On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> looking dated!
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Jamie Orchard-Hays <ja...@dang.com>.
+1 on that!
On Jan 10, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
>
> I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
>
> In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> addresses would change.
>
> The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
>
> However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
>
> A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
>
>
> On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> looking dated!
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Tapestry at Top Level Project
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
++1 On moving to a top level project.
Well, ok I agree on all points. Sounds like the perfect time to have
tapestry show up on the top level project with a brand new look & feel
combined with maven2 build.
I don't want to, nor do I think I've earned the right to be any sort of
chairman of anything, but if no one else thinks they want to do it I will
volunteer my services as a last resort. Can't say how politically/anything
else savvy I would be at it but I'd try..heh I may be able to create some
new icons and such, but it's very very painful to do ;) (I just finished a
new tacos/tapestry icon plus maven theme that I'm itching to push out for
tacos, once the testng part is done)
Does this mean that tacos could move to apache and get subversion finally?
Woo hoo! :)
In summary, I think you've all completely earned your right to a top level
project by sticking to your guns and only designing what you thought was the
best solution, which has also been proven to be a sound path..So, bring it
on !
jesse
On 1/10/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone up for tapestry.apache.org? (I noticed we did have a discussion
> about this back in March.)
>
> I've been saying for some time that Jakarta is turning into more of a
> second-level incubator; all successful projects (including Ant and
> Struts) have migrated up to top-level projects. It's been made clear
> to me that this is not only possible for Tapestry, it is desirable.
>
> In organizational terms, this would mean that Tapestry would have its
> own Project Management Comittee. We would have to produce quarterly
> reports to the Apache board. Our home page address and mailing list
> addresses would change.
>
> The advantage is that we could break Tapestry into smaller pieces
> (projects within the TLP) and each sub-project could have its own set
> of committers. This, combined with using Maven 2 for builds, would
> give us a lot more flexibility and room to breathe.
>
> However, it requires a chairman to report to the board and I'm pretty
> desperate for that to ** not ** be me. I say this out of a mix of
> lazyness (I'm already too busy), self awareness (I do terribly at any
> kind of organization stuff) and political savvy (it would some ways
> demonstrate that Tapestry can survive without HLS).
>
> A TLP move would also be a good time to:
> - Rethink our release numbering strategy
> - Create new project marketting assets (icons, etc.)
> - Ask HiveMind if they would like to move from Jakarta to Tapestry
>
>
> On that second point ... does anyone have any ideas about refreshing
> the Tapestry marketting assets? It might be nice to have someone
> (semi-)professional design new icons and such. The Circle-T is really
> looking dated!
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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