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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com> on 2016/11/25 15:20:16 UTC
Re: OFBiz Premier League â Reviewers Choice Award
Sharan,
I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the
discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion
of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand.
However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this
should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to
promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim
that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache brand
and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.
This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts
that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my eye
it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have
somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the
services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb
(hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial
agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their services
either.
I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the
community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not
speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just
that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax
services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not
deserve.
Regards,
Paul
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Re: OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com>.
I was curious about all the progress Taher has been talking about, so I
downloaded all releases from the website and ran a comparison of all the
noticeable changes. For comparison I took a look at the catalog manager, so
that I could sense the progress made.
Here's the result:
- Release 4 does not run (StringIndexOutOfBoundsException)
- Release 09.04 does not compile (incompatible types)
- Release 11.04.06 does not compile (org.ofbiz.widget.ContentWorkerInterface
not found)
- Release 12.04 - 16.11 run
After taking a few screenshots, I made a fancy comparison chart (actual
screenshots shown):
<http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/file/n4699699/ofbiz.jpg>
Hi-Res versions of the screenshots available on request.
The biggest change from running the systems must be gradle - which changes
the syntax significantly, the load order and general structure was kept the
same, however.
Cheers
P.S.: Curiously, apache 4 did run in parts, though the error would lead to
partial-renders of the screen. If interested, I can share the result here,
too
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Re: OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
Talking in passive voice to say your work is not recognized is ungrounded.
Also saying a product requires continuity implies that OFBiz is not so
which is false. OFBiz is witnessing massive changes lately which is an
indicator of a healthy and vibrant community. In this ML I am interested in
hearing about OFBiz, not your fork, I don't care for it nor do I find it
interesting on a technical level.
I recommend ignoring this discussion as it smells like trolling to me.
Let's continue with the great work that's happening.
Again I reiterate my gratitude to the folks at hotwax for the fantastic
work they've done lately and real value added with the surge of commits to
the code base. Thank you all.
On Nov 26, 2016 11:19 PM, "Paul Piper" <pp...@ilscipio.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I am not sure why you are complaining, we have published our work under the
> Apache License, so it is free of use. In addition, we tried to work with
> you
> before: Last time we contributed our work (ecomseo, Solr, axis2), it was
> neither picked up nor given credit. Additionally, l do feel that a product
> requires continuity and a focus on production-use. Neither I have seen to
> be
> of any concern around here. I don't blame anybody for this, just figured
> that it is not worth the trouble, so we parted ways with Scipio. Like you
> can tell from my post, I am still putting an interest in all this. So
> appreciate it, or not, that's how it is going to be.
>
> I don't understand what any of this has anything to do with this
> discussion,
> but you can contact me any time...
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
>
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Re: OFBiz Premier League â Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com>.
Michael,
I am not sure why you are complaining, we have published our work under the
Apache License, so it is free of use. In addition, we tried to work with you
before: Last time we contributed our work (ecomseo, Solr, axis2), it was
neither picked up nor given credit. Additionally, l do feel that a product
requires continuity and a focus on production-use. Neither I have seen to be
of any concern around here. I don't blame anybody for this, just figured
that it is not worth the trouble, so we parted ways with Scipio. Like you
can tell from my post, I am still putting an interest in all this. So
appreciate it, or not, that's how it is going to be.
I don't understand what any of this has anything to do with this discussion,
but you can contact me any time...
Cheers,
Paul
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Re: OFBiz Premier League â Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>.
Paul,
the Hotwax team has spent a lot of effort over a long period of time and
contributes a lot. I cannot see much promotion from them in the official
mailing lists but even if there was some, it would be well deserved. I
really appreciate the work and contributions they do, and they do it in
an unpretentious and friendly way.
I find it disturbing that you are attacking them and Sharan in this way
and blaming them to be dishonest is insulting.
The only one that I am aware of doing open promotion for himself seems
to be yourself by answering questions in the mailing lists by only
pointing to your OFBiz fork instead of giving a helping answer. Even in
the below post you spent one of three paragraphs promoting your solution
and explaining that the community is not able to deliver a proper
solution so you had to do it.
And, by the way, what prevents you from contributing your work to OFBiz
to make it up to standards?
In my opinion, that comes much closer to dishonesty.
Regards,
Michael
PS: For the record: I am not endorsed by or affiliated with HotWax in
any way.
Am 25.11.16 um 16:20 schrieb Paul Piper:
> Sharan,
>
> I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the
> discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion
> of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand.
> However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this
> should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to
> promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim
> that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache brand
> and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.
>
> This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts
> that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my eye
> it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have
> somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the
> services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb
> (hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial
> agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their services
> either.
>
> I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the
> community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not
> speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just
> that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax
> services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not
> deserve.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
>
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Re: OFBiz Premier League â Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com>.
As an afterthought:
The domain ofbiz.us is owned by Hotwax, too. It also uses the logo as part
of the branding, despite focussing on hotwax services. I am not sure how I
feel about a company taking claim over the apache brand, nor would I know if
that's legally possible. But it doesn't scream "honesty" either.
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Re: OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
What's your point?
On 27/11/2016 03:00, "Paul Piper" <pp...@ilscipio.com> wrote:
> Scott, your image is on that website, too, you know...
>
> <http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/file/n4699627/
> OFBiz_Premier_League_%E2%80%93_The_League_of_Like_Minded_Professionals.png
> >
>
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Re: OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com>.
Scott, your image is on that website, too, you know...
<http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/file/n4699627/OFBiz_Premier_League_%E2%80%93_The_League_of_Like_Minded_Professionals.png>
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Re: OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
I guess it all depends on how cynical you want to be. I wasn't very
involved with the effort but my understanding was that it was an attempt to
get HotWax devs more involved in the open source project and interacting
with the community more. The community days have been occurring a lot
longer than the duration of this OPL event, but I guess some people
wouldn't know that, because it isn't about promotion. OPL was just
something fun to add some competitive spirit to the existing community days.
I don't really see how it was promotional for HotWax, I'm struggling to
find much promotion of the effort in the dev list other than this thread,
all other threads I could find just referenced "community day" and no
mention of the company. Given the hundreds (or thousands?) of hours of
work contributed to the effort, I don't really see how this could be some
masterful ploy to promote the company, the project is the only winner here.
The devs involved that I've met really care about OFBiz and I'm sure it is
disheartening for them to read the negative emails in this thread. The
amount of work contributed was significant and they should be proud of what
they accomplished.
Regards
Scott
On 26 November 2016 at 04:20, Paul Piper <pp...@ilscipio.com> wrote:
> Sharan,
>
> I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the
> discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion
> of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand.
> However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this
> should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to
> promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim
> that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache
> brand
> and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.
>
> This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts
> that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my
> eye
> it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have
> somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the
> services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb
> (hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial
> agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their
> services
> either.
>
> I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the
> community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not
> speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just
> that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax
> services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not
> deserve.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
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>