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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch> on 2012/02/03 16:01:44 UTC

Re: Software Subversion

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:39:18 -0300
<su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:

> Boa tarde,
>  
> Preciso saber se o software Subversion é free para Windows 2003 e uso corporativo?

Ich will ja nicht unhöflich sein, aber Englisch ist sonst die Sprache
der Wahl, wenn man international kommuniziert. Auf Protugisisch wirst
du leider nicht viel erfolg haben.

Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
You can find ample descriptions how these apply to comercial enviroments.
Just google for them.

今度英語で書いてください

			Attila Kinali

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them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap
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Re: Software Subversion

Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@gmail.com>.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:37 AM,  <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> I need to know if the software is free Subversion on Windows 2003 and corporate use?
> And as the licensing and done? For machine or User?
> It has a sales representative in Brazil?

There's an old Usenet saying "IANAL", or "I Am Not A Lawyer". I've
been involved in freeware software (such as the GPL licensed gcc
compiler and Linux kernel) and open source (such as Subversion and
Apache) contributor for many years, and have never had problems
tweaking source and giving the source modifications to my clients. I
vastly prefer to publish my modifications: I'm negotiating with a
former employer to do  just that, speaking with a human resources
representative today.)

I believe that for basic download and usage you're fine. It's
available from numous repositories in numerous forms for numerous
platforms, and I've never seen or even heard of a license problem.
I've personally installed it on several thousand corporate systems, as
an employee and as a contractor, and it's included free in every
version of Linux I've seen for the last 5 years, and most UNIX
operating systems as well.

If you want corporate support, especially for features like high
availability multi-site services and well integrated access
management, I think you want to talk to the company doing corporate
development for Subversion. That's Wandisco at www.wandisco.com. If
you haven't been using source control or have been using a wildly
different one, then you probably want somone competent and familiar
with it to help you get your workflow and policies and the technical
details to support them laid out. A corporate resource (or a
consultant like me, since I'm available until my next role) can be
priceless.

> Thank you,
>
> Roberto Revilla
> Tecnologia da Informação
> Avibras Ind. Aeroespacial S/A
>
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> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Nico Kadel-Garcia [mailto:nkadel@gmail.com]
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 3 de fevereiro de 2012 AVIBRAS - 12:12
> Para: Attila Kinali
> Cc: support@avibras.com.br; users@subversion.apache.org
> Assunto: Re: Software Subversion
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch> wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:39:18 -0300
>> <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> Boa tarde,
>>>
>>> Preciso saber se o software Subversion é free para Windows 2003 e uso corporativo?
>>
>> Ich will ja nicht unhöflich sein, aber Englisch ist sonst die Sprache
>> der Wahl, wenn man international kommuniziert. Auf Protugisisch wirst
>> du leider nicht viel erfolg haben.
>>
>> Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
>> You can find ample descriptions how these apply to comercial enviroments.
>> Just google for them.
>
> No, it's an Apache license:
>
>     http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE
>     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>
> This kind of license does allow Wandisco to add proprietary features and publish them without source code. For typical use and development, it's not been a big deal, as most folks publish their modifications anyway. They're just not *compelled* to publish modification source code to go with modification binaries, as they would be with a GPL.
>
>

Re: Software Subversion

Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@gmail.com>.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Ryan Schmidt
<su...@ryandesign.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 06:37, <su...@avibras.com.br> <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:
>
>> I need to know if the software is free Subversion on Windows 2003 and corporate use?
>> And as the licensing and done? For machine or User?
>> It has a sales representative in Brazil?
>
> Subversion is free software, released (as of version 1.7) under the Apache license version 2.0. You can read the full text of the license here:

The phrase "free software" can be confusing, partly due to the "free
as in speech" versus "free as in beer" distinction in meaning, and due
to the "Free Software Foundation" and their espousal of GNU Public
License or "GPL" (which I use by preference, myself). I really think
it is safer to describe the Apache license, used by Subversion, as an
"open source" license, as described at
http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd .

Re: Software Subversion

Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.

On Feb 6, 2012, at 06:37, <su...@avibras.com.br> <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:

> I need to know if the software is free Subversion on Windows 2003 and corporate use?
> And as the licensing and done? For machine or User?
> It has a sales representative in Brazil?

Subversion is free software, released (as of version 1.7) under the Apache license version 2.0. You can read the full text of the license here:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0

Because Subversion is free, there are no sales representatives. Go download and use the software. Here are some links to download Windows versions of Subversion:

http://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#windows

And although it's not listed on the above page, TortoiseSVN is a very popular Windows client that you should probably try:

http://tortoisesvn.net/

RES: Software Subversion

Posted by su...@avibras.com.br.

Good morning,

I need to know if the software is free Subversion on Windows 2003 and corporate use?
And as the licensing and done? For machine or User?
It has a sales representative in Brazil?

Thank you, 

Roberto Revilla
Tecnologia da Informação
Avibras Ind. Aeroespacial S/A

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
" Este documento é enviado unicamente com fins informativos, sendo vedada sua utilização para propósitos particulares, não gerando obrigações e responsabilidades entre as partes. São proibidas a reprodução e a distribuição para terceiros de quaisquer informações contidas nesta mensagem. O risco da má utilização desta informação é de sua inteira responsabilidade. "
" This is an informative document. It does not generate any obligation or responsibility between the parts. It is not authorized its use for any personal purposes. Reproduction and distribution to third parties are not allowed without previous and written authorization. The risk of misuse of this information is of your entire responsibility. "

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Nico Kadel-Garcia [mailto:nkadel@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 3 de fevereiro de 2012 AVIBRAS - 12:12
Para: Attila Kinali
Cc: support@avibras.com.br; users@subversion.apache.org
Assunto: Re: Software Subversion

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:39:18 -0300
> <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:
>
>> Boa tarde,
>>
>> Preciso saber se o software Subversion é free para Windows 2003 e uso corporativo?
>
> Ich will ja nicht unhöflich sein, aber Englisch ist sonst die Sprache 
> der Wahl, wenn man international kommuniziert. Auf Protugisisch wirst 
> du leider nicht viel erfolg haben.
>
> Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
> You can find ample descriptions how these apply to comercial enviroments.
> Just google for them.

No, it's an Apache license:

     http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE
     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0

This kind of license does allow Wandisco to add proprietary features and publish them without source code. For typical use and development, it's not been a big deal, as most folks publish their modifications anyway. They're just not *compelled* to publish modification source code to go with modification binaries, as they would be with a GPL.

AW: Software Subversion

Posted by Markus Schaber <m....@3s-software.com>.

Hi, Nico,

Von: Nico Kadel-Garcia [mailto:nkadel@gmail.com]
>> Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
> No, it's an Apache license:

That's true for current SVN releases, older ones (before the migration to Apache.org) came with a different (but equally "free") license.

But keep in mind that Subversion (and their language bindings or distribution forms) include/need a bunch of 3rd party libraries which come with other licenses. Here's the list of licenses we have to obey for SharpSVN, with a short categorization by me (IANAL!):

Subversion itself, APR, APR-Utils, Serf, SharpSVN: Apache License 2.0

Cyrus SASL: Free license with Attribution clause

Neon: GNU LGPL V2.0

OpenSSL: Free license with kind of advertising clause and attribution clause

PuTTY: (Brought in e. G. by SharpSVN in the default build): Free license.

ZLib: Free license

Berkeley DB Library: We patched that one out of our build, as its clause 3 states: "Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on how to obtain complete source code for the DB software and any accompanying software that uses the DB software. [...]" This clause was interpreted by our lawyers as a GPL-Like obligation to open our complete source code to our customers.

Best regards

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Re: Software Subversion

Posted by Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch>.

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:12:08 -0500
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch> wrote:

> > Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
> > You can find ample descriptions how these apply to comercial enviroments.
> > Just google for them.
> 
> No, it's an Apache license:

Oops... right... sorry, my fault

			Attila Kinali

-- 
Why does it take years to find the answers to
the questions one should have asked long ago?

Re: Software Subversion

Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@gmail.com>.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Attila Kinali <at...@kinali.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:39:18 -0300
> <su...@avibras.com.br> wrote:
>
>> Boa tarde,
>>
>> Preciso saber se o software Subversion é free para Windows 2003 e uso corporativo?
>
> Ich will ja nicht unhöflich sein, aber Englisch ist sonst die Sprache
> der Wahl, wenn man international kommuniziert. Auf Protugisisch wirst
> du leider nicht viel erfolg haben.
>
> Other than that issue, subversion is GPL and it's restrictions apply.
> You can find ample descriptions how these apply to comercial enviroments.
> Just google for them.

No, it's an Apache license:

     http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE
     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0

This kind of license does allow Wandisco to add proprietary features
and publish them without source code. For typical use and development,
it's not been a big deal, as most folks publish their modifications
anyway. They're just not *compelled* to publish modification source
code to go with modification binaries, as they would be with a GPL.