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Can you comment on this?
Hi Guys,
I came across this article
http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
against Wicket?
Emmanuel
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Dennis Sinelnikov <de...@augustschell.com>.
I agree. It takes a little while to get a developer thinking in a
"Tapestry" way, but once that's done, it becomes contagious and fun --
constantly innovating and finding a better/neater solution to a problem.
Looking forward to Tap5...
-Dennis
Mark Stang wrote:
> After 18 months of developing with Tapestry 3.03, I don't know what my next framework will be, but you can bet it will be Tapestry. Having worked with Model 1 Frameworks using JSP's and then working with Struts 1.x, I have had envough of anything related to .jsp or taglibs. I have no experience with JSF or Wicket, but I do have 150 pages in Tapestry. I have multiple libraries of components and even some custom components. And when the time to upgrade comes along, it will probably be 5.x.
>
> We have started three new products since mine and all of them have been Tapestry.
>
> regards,
>
> Mark
>
> Mark J. Stang
> Senior Engineer/Architect
> office: +1 303.468.2900
> mobile: +1 303.507.2833
> Ping Identity
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel Sowah [mailto:esowah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wed 12/20/2006 2:13 AM
> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
> Subject: Can you comment on this?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across this article
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
> probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
> against Wicket?
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
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RE: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
After 18 months of developing with Tapestry 3.03, I don't know what my next framework will be, but you can bet it will be Tapestry. Having worked with Model 1 Frameworks using JSP's and then working with Struts 1.x, I have had envough of anything related to .jsp or taglibs. I have no experience with JSF or Wicket, but I do have 150 pages in Tapestry. I have multiple libraries of components and even some custom components. And when the time to upgrade comes along, it will probably be 5.x.
We have started three new products since mine and all of them have been Tapestry.
regards,
Mark
Mark J. Stang
Senior Engineer/Architect
office: +1 303.468.2900
mobile: +1 303.507.2833
Ping Identity
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Sowah [mailto:esowah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 12/20/2006 2:13 AM
To: users@tapestry.apache.org
Subject: Can you comment on this?
Hi Guys,
I came across this article
http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
against Wicket?
Emmanuel
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Just call me Paris ;-)
(mythology joke...)
On 12/21/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Uh oh ....You just brought up their biggest Achilles heal. Good for you :)
>
> On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Case in point ;-)
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Emmanuel -
> > >
> > > I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> > > inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one
> user to
> > > choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough
> people
> > > agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a
> better
> > > framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du
> jour).
> > > Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the
> amount
> > > of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community
> that
> > > has been built around it, I think the first option is much more
> likely, but
> > > then I'm no oracle :-)
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I came across this article
> > > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> > > > thought
> > > > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> > > > battle
> > > > against Wicket?
> > > >
> > > > Emmanuel
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Uh oh ....You just brought up their biggest Achilles heal. Good for you :)
On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Case in point ;-)
>
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
>
>
> On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Emmanuel -
> >
> > I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> > inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one user to
> > choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
> > agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a better
> > framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
> > Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the amount
> > of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community that
> > has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely, but
> > then I'm no oracle :-)
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I came across this article
> > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> > > thought
> > > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> > > battle
> > > against Wicket?
> > >
> > > Emmanuel
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Karthik -
Sorry if my post came across the wrong way -- I just think it's a good
illustration of the kind of healthy cross-pollination I had been referring
to earlier. I'm not implying that they can't or won't implement this sort of
component, nor am I saying that something like this fits every project. I'm
just pointing out a visible example of the "free intellectual market" at
work. In fact, I'm eager to see how they improve on the concept, so that I
can steal their ideas! ;-)
Take care,
Daniel
On 12/21/06, karthik G <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Both frameworks have excellent developers (which is great for users) and
> from what I see both have a different approach to a problem. I think
> everything can co-exist!
>
> > Case in point ;-)
>
> >
>
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
> <
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
> >
>
> Yes a built-in beanform doesn't seem to exist in Wicket now but that
> doesn't
> mean that it can't be done. Wicket has Panel components that can just
> about
> wrap any component. So you just need a TextFieldPanel that wraps a
> TextField
> for e.g. You can have similar such Panels for a checkbox, drop down etc.
> But
> at the end of the day they can all be treated as panels that need to be
> rendered in a loop?. Then its just about having a Wicket Repeater
> component
> that renders any of these panels depending upon the bean property.
>
> So a minimalistic generic template could look like this -
>
> <span wicket:id="fields">
> <span wicket:id="fieldLabel">Label goes here</span>
> <span wicket:id="fieldComponent">Field Component</span>
> </span>
>
> IMHO the importance of beanform kind of component depends on the project
> you
> are working on. Our client has tied up with another company to design UI
> templates. We assemble the rest of the application. So in our case, the
> beanform is not of much help. Please do note that I'm not trying to
> trivialize the component implementation. But its important to realize that
> the dynamic forms are supported within Wicket constructs as well.
>
> Regards,
> Karthik
>
>
> On 12/21/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Case in point ;-)
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler < djgredler@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Emmanuel -
> > >
> > > I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> > > inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one
> > user to
> > > choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough
> people
> > > agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a
> > better
> > > framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du
> jour).
> >
> > > Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the
> > amount
> > > of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community
> > that
> > > has been built around it, I think the first option is much more
> likely,
> > but
> > > then I'm no oracle :-)
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah < esowah@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I came across this article
> > > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> > > > thought
> > > > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> > > > battle
> > > > against Wicket?
> > > >
> > > > Emmanuel
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by karthik G <be...@gmail.com>.
Both frameworks have excellent developers (which is great for users) and
from what I see both have a different approach to a problem. I think
everything can co-exist!
> Case in point ;-)
>
http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
<http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709>
Yes a built-in beanform doesn't seem to exist in Wicket now but that doesn't
mean that it can't be done. Wicket has Panel components that can just about
wrap any component. So you just need a TextFieldPanel that wraps a TextField
for e.g. You can have similar such Panels for a checkbox, drop down etc. But
at the end of the day they can all be treated as panels that need to be
rendered in a loop?. Then its just about having a Wicket Repeater component
that renders any of these panels depending upon the bean property.
So a minimalistic generic template could look like this -
<span wicket:id="fields">
<span wicket:id="fieldLabel">Label goes here</span>
<span wicket:id="fieldComponent">Field Component</span>
</span>
IMHO the importance of beanform kind of component depends on the project you
are working on. Our client has tied up with another company to design UI
templates. We assemble the rest of the application. So in our case, the
beanform is not of much help. Please do note that I'm not trying to
trivialize the component implementation. But its important to realize that
the dynamic forms are supported within Wicket constructs as well.
Regards,
Karthik
On 12/21/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Case in point ;-)
>
> http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
>
>
>
> On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler < djgredler@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Emmanuel -
> >
> > I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> > inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one
> user to
> > choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
> > agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a
> better
> > framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
>
> > Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the
> amount
> > of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community
> that
> > has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely,
> but
> > then I'm no oracle :-)
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah < esowah@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I came across this article
> > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> > > thought
> > > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> > > battle
> > > against Wicket?
> > >
> > > Emmanuel
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Case in point ;-)
http://www.nabble.com/Directly-map-a-bean-to-HTML-form-tf2845102.html#a7944709
On 12/20/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Emmanuel -
>
> I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one user to
> choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
> agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a better
> framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
> Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the amount
> of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community that
> has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely, but
> then I'm no oracle :-)
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I came across this article
> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> > thought
> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> > battle
> > against Wicket?
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> >
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Agree 100%. I guess I just consider the marketing aspects to be part of the
free intellectual market :-)
On 12/20/06, Marilen Corciovei <le...@nemesisit.rdsnet.ro> wrote:
>
> Daniel
>
> I think you are right but only partially. We must never neglect the
> marketing aspects. A "thing" either free or comercial is promoting
> itself only less than 50% by it's quality because only a very little
> number of decisions are taken by quality in todays world. Aspects like
> mouth to mouth, slashdot articles, and many others are also essentials.
> Ways must be found to promote Tapestry, this way it will receive the
> attention deserved and this will allow and motivate everyone in
> enhancing the framework.
>
> Len
> www.len.ro
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 10:15 -0500, D&J Gredler wrote:
>
> > Emmanuel -
> >
> > I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> > inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one
> user to
> > choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
> > agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a
> better
> > framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
> > Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the
> amount
> > of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community
> that
> > has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely,
> but
> > then I'm no oracle :-)
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I came across this article
> > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> thought
> > > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> battle
> > > against Wicket?
> > >
> > > Emmanuel
> > >
> > >
>
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Marilen Corciovei <le...@nemesisit.rdsnet.ro>.
Daniel
I think you are right but only partially. We must never neglect the
marketing aspects. A "thing" either free or comercial is promoting
itself only less than 50% by it's quality because only a very little
number of decisions are taken by quality in todays world. Aspects like
mouth to mouth, slashdot articles, and many others are also essentials.
Ways must be found to promote Tapestry, this way it will receive the
attention deserved and this will allow and motivate everyone in
enhancing the framework.
Len
www.len.ro
On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 10:15 -0500, D&J Gredler wrote:
> Emmanuel -
>
> I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
> inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one user to
> choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
> agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a better
> framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
> Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the amount
> of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community that
> has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely, but
> then I'm no oracle :-)
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I came across this article
> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
> > against Wicket?
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> >
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Emmanuel -
I tend to view this as a free intellectual market at work. There were
inadequacies in Tapestry and strengths in Wicket that drove this one user to
choose Wicket over Tapestry (and the other frameworks). If enough people
agree with him, either Tapestry addresses these issues and becomes a better
framework, or users migrate to Wicket (or some other framework du jour).
Either way, we developers end up with a better framework. Given the amount
of work that has already been invested in Tapestry and the community that
has been built around it, I think the first option is much more likely, but
then I'm no oracle :-)
Daniel
On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across this article
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
> probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
> against Wicket?
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Cyrille37 <cy...@gmail.com>.
Emmanuel Sowah a écrit :
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across this article
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
> probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
> against Wicket?
>
> Emmanuel
>
Hi Emmanuel,
Did you have a look at Rife http://rifers.org/ ?
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Daniel Jue <te...@gmail.com>.
Well, obviously emacs is better.
On 12/21/06, Martin Strand <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still troubled by the fact that nobody has come up with an answer to
> this:
> Is vi better than emacs or is it the other way around?
>
> Martin
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
Martin -
Can you please change your email address? I rediscover it about once a
month, usually as I'm about to take a gulp of hot coffee or tea. Reading
programming-related mailing lists should not be dangerous to your health ;-)
Regards,
Daniel
On 12/21/06, Martin Strand <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm still troubled by the fact that nobody has come up with an answer to
> this:
> Is vi better than emacs or is it the other way around?
>
> Martin
>
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:53:44 +0100, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jesse,
> >
> > This comment of yours that Wicket, in its current form, is technically
> > inferior doesn't hold water for me. Can you cite concrete reasons why
> you
> > think so?
> > And when I read your comment that they get beaten up a lot I decided to
> > go
> > goggle and find out what that means and could see that the only bashing
> > on
> > Wicket was based on their abuse of the session but this I read in the
> > link
> > to the article I posted earlier that they are solving this issue by
> using
> > the hard disk.
> > Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> > On 12/20/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why would Tapestry be losing any kind of battle because one person
> >> wrote an email saying they "recommend" using Wicket?
> >>
> >> When Wicket is actually technically / some other version of better
> >> that I can measure I'll admit it but I'm obviously biased towards
> >> Tapestry so my opinions are highly suspect.
> >>
> >> Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot so
> >> I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
> >> there for them.
> >>
> >> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Guys,
> >> >
> >> > I came across this article
> >> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> >> thought
> >> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> >> battle
> >> > against Wicket?
> >> >
> >> > Emmanuel
>
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RE: Can you comment on this?
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
Well, emacs has a vi emulation mode ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Strand [mailto:do.not.eat.yellow.snow@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:31 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Can you comment on this?
I'm still troubled by the fact that nobody has come up with an answer to
this:
Is vi better than emacs or is it the other way around?
Martin
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:53:44 +0100, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> This comment of yours that Wicket, in its current form, is technically
> inferior doesn't hold water for me. Can you cite concrete reasons why
you
> think so?
> And when I read your comment that they get beaten up a lot I decided
to
> go
> goggle and find out what that means and could see that the only
bashing
> on
> Wicket was based on their abuse of the session but this I read in the
> link
> to the article I posted earlier that they are solving this issue by
using
> the hard disk.
> Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> On 12/20/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why would Tapestry be losing any kind of battle because one person
>> wrote an email saying they "recommend" using Wicket?
>>
>> When Wicket is actually technically / some other version of better
>> that I can measure I'll admit it but I'm obviously biased towards
>> Tapestry so my opinions are highly suspect.
>>
>> Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot
so
>> I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
>> there for them.
>>
>> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Guys,
>> >
>> > I came across this article
>> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
>> thought
>> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
>> battle
>> > against Wicket?
>> >
>> > Emmanuel
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Martin Strand <do...@gmail.com>.
I'm still troubled by the fact that nobody has come up with an answer to
this:
Is vi better than emacs or is it the other way around?
Martin
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:53:44 +0100, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> This comment of yours that Wicket, in its current form, is technically
> inferior doesn't hold water for me. Can you cite concrete reasons why you
> think so?
> And when I read your comment that they get beaten up a lot I decided to
> go
> goggle and find out what that means and could see that the only bashing
> on
> Wicket was based on their abuse of the session but this I read in the
> link
> to the article I posted earlier that they are solving this issue by using
> the hard disk.
> Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> On 12/20/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why would Tapestry be losing any kind of battle because one person
>> wrote an email saying they "recommend" using Wicket?
>>
>> When Wicket is actually technically / some other version of better
>> that I can measure I'll admit it but I'm obviously biased towards
>> Tapestry so my opinions are highly suspect.
>>
>> Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot so
>> I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
>> there for them.
>>
>> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Guys,
>> >
>> > I came across this article
>> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
>> thought
>> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
>> battle
>> > against Wicket?
>> >
>> > Emmanuel
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
It's sock puppetry, if true, and thus germane to the discussion.
*shrug*
</thread-participation>
On 12/21/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Can you please take this off-line? The rest of us Tapestry users
> don't need to hear this, IMHO.
>
>
> On 12/21/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > LOL. Francis == Emmanuel?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself
> some
> > > Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible
> arguments.
> > >
> > > Emmanuel
> > >
> > > On 12/21/06, Angelo Turetta < aturetta+apache@bestunion.it> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> > > > > Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, do you?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know who you are, and I've been subscribed to this mailing
> list
> > > > for very few months, so maybe I'm wrong: but the only thing I've
> seen
> > > > you do (more than once) is desperately trying to start some idiotic
> > > > flame-war. That's quite the opposite of 'fair discussion'.
> > > > This list is intended for Tapestry users peer discussion: if you
> don't
> > > > use (or like) Tapestry, you are wasting your time here, and ours
> too.
> > > >
> > > > Angelo Turetta
> > > > Modena - Italy
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Beware of bugs in the above code;
> > > I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
> > > -Donald Knuth
> > > I don't make predictions. I never have,
> > > and I never will.
> > > -Tony Blair
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Can you please take this off-line? The rest of us Tapestry users
don't need to hear this, IMHO.
On 12/21/06, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL. Francis == Emmanuel?
>
> On 12/21/06, Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself some
> > Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible arguments.
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Angelo Turetta < aturetta+apache@bestunion.it> wrote:
> > >
> > > Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> > > > Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
> > >
> > > Oh, do you?
> > >
> > > I don't know who you are, and I've been subscribed to this mailing list
> > > for very few months, so maybe I'm wrong: but the only thing I've seen
> > > you do (more than once) is desperately trying to start some idiotic
> > > flame-war. That's quite the opposite of 'fair discussion'.
> > > This list is intended for Tapestry users peer discussion: if you don't
> > > use (or like) Tapestry, you are wasting your time here, and ours too.
> > >
> > > Angelo Turetta
> > > Modena - Italy
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Beware of bugs in the above code;
> > I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
> > -Donald Knuth
> > I don't make predictions. I never have,
> > and I never will.
> > -Tony Blair
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
I think I manually took it elsewhere already. Maybe he will appear as
"Sophie" next. We'll see..
On 12/21/06, Nick Westgate <ni...@key-planning.co.jp> wrote:
> Classic. I had suspected this for some time.
>
> This is duplicity of the worst sort, Francis.
> Now that you've outed yourself, please take
> your embarrassingly inept trolling elsewhere.
>
> Nick.
>
>
> D&J Gredler wrote:
> > LOL. Francis == Emmanuel?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself
> >> some
> >> Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible arguments.
> >>
> >> Emmanuel
>
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Nick Westgate <ni...@key-planning.co.jp>.
Classic. I had suspected this for some time.
This is duplicity of the worst sort, Francis.
Now that you've outed yourself, please take
your embarrassingly inept trolling elsewhere.
Nick.
D&J Gredler wrote:
> LOL. Francis == Emmanuel?
>
> On 12/21/06, Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself
>> some
>> Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible arguments.
>>
>> Emmanuel
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
LOL. Francis == Emmanuel?
On 12/21/06, Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself some
> Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible arguments.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> On 12/21/06, Angelo Turetta < aturetta+apache@bestunion.it> wrote:
> >
> > Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> > > Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
> >
> > Oh, do you?
> >
> > I don't know who you are, and I've been subscribed to this mailing list
> > for very few months, so maybe I'm wrong: but the only thing I've seen
> > you do (more than once) is desperately trying to start some idiotic
> > flame-war. That's quite the opposite of 'fair discussion'.
> > This list is intended for Tapestry users peer discussion: if you don't
> > use (or like) Tapestry, you are wasting your time here, and ours too.
> >
> > Angelo Turetta
> > Modena - Italy
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Beware of bugs in the above code;
> I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
> -Donald Knuth
> I don't make predictions. I never have,
> and I never will.
> -Tony Blair
>
>
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Francis Amanfo <fa...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Seems like you've missed some pasta today. I urge you to get yourself some
Italian pasta and after that come back and make some sensible arguments.
Emmanuel
On 12/21/06, Angelo Turetta < aturetta+apache@bestunion.it> wrote:
>
> Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> > Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
>
> Oh, do you?
>
> I don't know who you are, and I've been subscribed to this mailing list
> for very few months, so maybe I'm wrong: but the only thing I've seen
> you do (more than once) is desperately trying to start some idiotic
> flame-war. That's quite the opposite of 'fair discussion'.
> This list is intended for Tapestry users peer discussion: if you don't
> use (or like) Tapestry, you are wasting your time here, and ours too.
>
> Angelo Turetta
> Modena - Italy
>
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--
Beware of bugs in the above code;
I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
-Donald Knuth
I don't make predictions. I never have,
and I never will.
-Tony Blair
Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Angelo Turetta <at...@bestunion.it>.
Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
Oh, do you?
I don't know who you are, and I've been subscribed to this mailing list
for very few months, so maybe I'm wrong: but the only thing I've seen
you do (more than once) is desperately trying to start some idiotic
flame-war. That's quite the opposite of 'fair discussion'.
This list is intended for Tapestry users peer discussion: if you don't
use (or like) Tapestry, you are wasting your time here, and ours too.
Angelo Turetta
Modena - Italy
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>.
Jesse,
This comment of yours that Wicket, in its current form, is technically
inferior doesn't hold water for me. Can you cite concrete reasons why you
think so?
And when I read your comment that they get beaten up a lot I decided to go
goggle and find out what that means and could see that the only bashing on
Wicket was based on their abuse of the session but this I read in the link
to the article I posted earlier that they are solving this issue by using
the hard disk.
Sorry, but I like fair discussions.
Emmanuel
On 12/20/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why would Tapestry be losing any kind of battle because one person
> wrote an email saying they "recommend" using Wicket?
>
> When Wicket is actually technically / some other version of better
> that I can measure I'll admit it but I'm obviously biased towards
> Tapestry so my opinions are highly suspect.
>
> Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot so
> I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
> there for them.
>
> On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I came across this article
> > http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and
> thought
> > probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the
> battle
> > against Wicket?
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
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Re: Can you comment on this?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Why would Tapestry be losing any kind of battle because one person
wrote an email saying they "recommend" using Wicket?
When Wicket is actually technically / some other version of better
that I can measure I'll admit it but I'm obviously biased towards
Tapestry so my opinions are highly suspect.
Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot so
I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
there for them.
On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across this article
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
> probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
> against Wicket?
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
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