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Posted to dev@trafodion.apache.org by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> on 2017/10/30 14:06:12 UTC
Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Hi,
I have been researching Trafodion's current status and want to start a
discussion to understand as to what needs to be done to get Trafodion
to graduate.
Trafodion has been incubating for 2.5 years now and we should take a
critical look at what needs to be done to get Trafodion to a TLP ready
podling.
Few of my comments:
1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
understand the number of active contributors who are currently
contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
that?
3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
something that we need to fix?
I would like to have more comments from the community to understand
what is lacking to graduate.
Regards,
Atri
--
Regards,
Atri
l'apprenant
RE: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>.
Thank you, Pierre.
-----Original Message-----
From: Atri Sharma [mailto:atri.jiit@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:27 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
+1
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name
> search, stating:
>
> Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming
> perspective, no action needed.
>
>
> This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1 http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Atri, all,
>>
>> *Re: podling name search*
>> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when
>> we started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time
>> passed since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to
>> Apache Brand Management, and find out whether we should redo the
>> search. I will post results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1 http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>> My response inline:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Few of my comments:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would
>>> >> like to understand the number of active contributors who are
>>> >> currently contributing rather than a specific set of people who
>>> >> are committers and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some
>>> >> distance from the release previous to it. Is there any specific
>>> >> reason for that?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project
>>> > can not dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given
>>> > that premise,
>>> no
>>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell -
>>> > ever requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
>>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the
>>> project as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a
>>> good indicator that the project has been able to establish a
>>> foundation of a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>>
>>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major
>>> >> investment from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and
>>> >> committers mostly from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. See
>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier
>>> > mentioned discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>>> >
>>> AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
>>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>>
>>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less
>>> >> than 48 hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I
>>> >> do not see much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a
>>> >> regular practise or something that we need to fix?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our
>>> > public mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have
>>> > personal viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well
>>> > as about how frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by
>>> > whom), but like I said earlier the project can not dictate
>>> > contributions. Each of our contributors chips in when and where possible.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>>> nitpicking :)
>>>
>>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
>>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
>>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the
>>> way (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and
>>> draft a TLP resolution.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>> l'apprenant
>>>
>>
>>
--
Regards,
Atri
l'apprenant
Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name
> search, stating:
>
> Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming
> perspective, no action needed.
>
>
> This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Atri, all,
>>
>> *Re: podling name search*
>> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when we
>> started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time passed
>> since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to Apache Brand
>> Management, and find out whether we should redo the search. I will post
>> results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>> My response inline:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Few of my comments:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
>>> >> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
>>> >> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
>>> >> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
>>> >> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
>>> >> that?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
>>> > dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise,
>>> no
>>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
>>> > requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
>>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
>>> as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
>>> indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
>>> a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>>
>>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
>>> >> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
>>> >> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. See
>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
>>> > discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>>> >
>>> AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
>>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>>
>>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
>>> >> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
>>> >> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
>>> >> something that we need to fix?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
>>> > mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
>>> > viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
>>> > frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
>>> > said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
>>> > contributors chips in when and where possible.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>>> nitpicking :)
>>>
>>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
>>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
>>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
>>> (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
>>> a TLP resolution.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>> l'apprenant
>>>
>>
>>
--
Regards,
Atri
l'apprenant
Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name
search, stating:
Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming
perspective, no action needed.
This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Atri, all,
>
> *Re: podling name search*
> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when we
> started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time passed
> since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to Apache Brand
> Management, and find out whether we should redo the search. I will post
> results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> Thanks for your response.
>>
>> My response inline:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Few of my comments:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
>> >> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
>> >> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
>> >> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>> >
>>
>> AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>> >>
>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
>> >> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
>> >> that?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
>> > dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise,
>> no
>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
>> > requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
>> as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
>> indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
>> a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>
>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
>> >> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
>> >> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>> >>
>> >> Yes. See
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
>> > discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>> >
>> AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>
>>
>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
>> >> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
>> >> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
>> >> something that we need to fix?
>> >>
>> >
>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
>> > mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
>> > viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
>> > frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
>> > said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
>> > contributors chips in when and where possible.
>> >
>>
>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>> nitpicking :)
>>
>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
>> (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
>> a TLP resolution.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>> l'apprenant
>>
>
>
Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Atri, all,
*Re: podling name search*
That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when we
started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time passed
since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to Apache Brand
Management, and find out whether we should redo the search. I will post
results of that discussion here (in this ml).
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> My response inline:
>
>
>
>
> >> Few of my comments:
> >>
> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
> >> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
> >> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
> >> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
> >>
> >
> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
> >
>
> AS> Cool, looks good to me.
> >>
> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
> >> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
> >> that?
> >>
> >>
> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
> > dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise, no
> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
> > requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
> >
> >
>
> AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
> as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
> indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
> a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>
> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
> >> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
> >> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
> >>
> >> Yes. See
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
> > discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
> >
> AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>
>
> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
> >> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
> >> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
> >> something that we need to fix?
> >>
> >
> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
> > mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
> > viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
> > frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
> > said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
> > contributors chips in when and where possible.
> >
>
> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
> nitpicking :)
>
> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
> (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
> a TLP resolution.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> l'apprenant
>
Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi Pierre,
Thanks for your response.
My response inline:
>> Few of my comments:
>>
>> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
>> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
>> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
>> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>>
>
> You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>
AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>>
>> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
>> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
>> that?
>>
>>
> This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
> dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise, no
> schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
> requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>
>
AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
>> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
>> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>>
>> Yes. See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
> The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
> discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>
AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
>> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
>> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
>> something that we need to fix?
>>
>
> We (I) do (forgive you. :)
> At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
> mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
> viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
> frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
> said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
> contributors chips in when and where possible.
>
AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
nitpicking :)
If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
(if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
a TLP resolution.
Regards,
Atri
--
Regards,
Atri
l'apprenant
Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
HI Atri, all,
Thank you for joining this mailing list and your contributions to move this
(incubating) project forward.
Please see my reactions inline.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been researching Trafodion's current status and want to start a
> discussion to understand as to what needs to be done to get Trafodion
> to graduate.
>
> Trafodion has been incubating for 2.5 years now and we should take a
> critical look at what needs to be done to get Trafodion to a TLP ready
> podling.
>
>
We're currently discussing the same in the private ML of the project. As
soon as we have something tangible to bring to this mailing list we will do
so.
> Few of my comments:
>
> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>
You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>
> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
> that?
>
>
This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise, no
schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>
> Yes. See
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
> something that we need to fix?
>
We (I) do (forgive you. :)
At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
contributors chips in when and where possible.
>
> I would like to have more comments from the community to understand
> what is lacking to graduate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
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> Regards,
>
> Atri
> l'apprenant
>