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Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
Thanks,
DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Tom Graves <tg...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
+1 seems reasonable at this point.
Tom
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018, 1:24:16 PM CST, DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
Thanks,
DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Stavros Kontopoulos <st...@lightbend.com>.
Red Hat:
https://access.redhat.com/articles/1299013#OpenJDK_Lifecycle_Dates_and_RHEL_versions
Stavros
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Kazuaki Ishizaki <IS...@jp.ibm.com>
wrote:
> This entry includes a good figure for support lifecycle.
> https://www.azul.com/products/zulu-and-zulu-enterprise/zulu-
> enterprise-java-support-options/
>
> Kazuaki Ishizaki,
>
>
>
> From: Marcelo Vanzin <va...@cloudera.com.INVALID>
> To: Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com>, snazy@snazy.de, dev <
> dev@spark.apache.org>, Cesar Delgado <cd...@apple.com>
> Date: 2018/11/07 08:29
> Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/eol-135779.html
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a list of LTS release that I can reference?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com.invalid>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:28 PM
> > To: snazy@snazy.de
> > Cc: Spark Dev List; cdelgado@apple.com
> > Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
> >
> > +1 for supporting LTS releases.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 on supporting LTS releases.
> >>
> >> VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to
> LTS versions (i.e. into http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/).
> How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will
> contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month cycle
> ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term support for
> Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not sure what that
> exactly means ... whether they will actively provide patches to OpenJDK or
> whether they just build from source.
> >>
> >> But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an
> eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example does
> already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java 11.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
> >>
> >> OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle, https://openjdk.java.net/
> projects/jdk/, a strict six months model. I'm not familiar with other
> non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
> >>
> >> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
> Apple, Inc
> >>
> >> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot
> of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic
> option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS
> release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
> Apple, Inc
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robert Stupp
> >> @snazy
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Blue
> > Software Engineer
> > Netflix
>
>
>
> --
> Marcelo
>
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Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Kazuaki Ishizaki <IS...@jp.ibm.com>.
This entry includes a good figure for support lifecycle.
https://www.azul.com/products/zulu-and-zulu-enterprise/zulu-enterprise-java-support-options/
Kazuaki Ishizaki,
From: Marcelo Vanzin <va...@cloudera.com.INVALID>
To: Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com>
Cc: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com>, snazy@snazy.de, dev
<de...@spark.apache.org>, Cesar Delgado <cd...@apple.com>
Date: 2018/11/07 08:29
Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/eol-135779.html
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Is there a list of LTS release that I can reference?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com.invalid>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:28 PM
> To: snazy@snazy.de
> Cc: Spark Dev List; cdelgado@apple.com
> Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
>
> +1 for supporting LTS releases.
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on supporting LTS releases.
>>
>> VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to
LTS versions (i.e. into
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/
). How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will
contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month
cycle ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term
support for Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not
sure what that exactly means ... whether they will actively provide
patches to OpenJDK or whether they just build from source.
>>
>> But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an
eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example
does already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java
11.
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
>>
>> OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle,
https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/
, a strict six months model. I'm not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs
and Redhat support.
>>
>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
Apple, Inc
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com> wrote:
>>
>> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot
of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic
option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS
release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
Apple, Inc
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert Stupp
>> @snazy
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Software Engineer
> Netflix
--
Marcelo
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Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Marcelo Vanzin <va...@cloudera.com.INVALID>.
https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/eol-135779.html
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a list of LTS release that I can reference?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com.invalid>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:28 PM
> To: snazy@snazy.de
> Cc: Spark Dev List; cdelgado@apple.com
> Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
>
> +1 for supporting LTS releases.
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on supporting LTS releases.
>>
>> VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to LTS versions (i.e. into http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/). How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month cycle ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term support for Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not sure what that exactly means ... whether they will actively provide patches to OpenJDK or whether they just build from source.
>>
>> But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example does already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java 11.
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
>>
>> OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle, https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/, a strict six months model. I'm not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
>>
>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com> wrote:
>>
>> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert Stupp
>> @snazy
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Software Engineer
> Netflix
--
Marcelo
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Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Felix Cheung <fe...@hotmail.com>.
Is there a list of LTS release that I can reference?
________________________________
From: Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com.invalid>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:28 PM
To: snazy@snazy.de
Cc: Spark Dev List; cdelgado@apple.com
Subject: Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
+1 for supporting LTS releases.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de>> wrote:
+1 on supporting LTS releases.
VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to LTS versions (i.e. into http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/). How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month cycle ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term support for Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not sure what that exactly means ... whether they will actively provide patches to OpenJDK or whether they just build from source.
But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example does already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java 11.
On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle, https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/, a strict six months model. I'm not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com>> wrote:
What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com>> wrote:
Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
Thanks,
DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
--
Robert Stupp
@snazy
--
Ryan Blue
Software Engineer
Netflix
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Ryan Blue <rb...@netflix.com.INVALID>.
+1 for supporting LTS releases.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:
> +1 on supporting LTS releases.
>
> VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to
> LTS versions (i.e. into http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/).
> How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will
> contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month cycle
> ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term support for
> Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not sure what that
> exactly means ... whether they will actively provide patches to OpenJDK or
> whether they just build from source.
>
> But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an
> eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example does
> already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java 11.
>
>
> On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
>
> OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle,
> https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/, a strict six months model. I'm
> not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
>
> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
> Apple, Inc
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com> wrote:
>
> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot of
> discussions from Redhat etc to support.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
>
>> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic
>> option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS
>> release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
>> Apple, Inc
>>
>>
> --
> Robert Stupp
> @snazy
>
>
--
Ryan Blue
Software Engineer
Netflix
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de>.
+1 on supporting LTS releases.
VM distributors (RedHat, Azul - to name two) want to provide patches to
LTS versions (i.e. into http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk-updates/jdk11u/).
How that will play out in reality ... I don't know. Whether Oracle will
contribute to that repo for 8 after it's EOL and 11 after the 6 month
cycle ... we will see. Most Linux distributions promised(?) long-term
support for Java 11 in their LTS releases (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04). I am not
sure what that exactly means ... whether they will actively provide
patches to OpenJDK or whether they just build from source.
But considering that, I think it's definitely worth to at least keep an
eye on Java 12 and 13 - even if those are just EA. Java 12 for example
does already forbid some "dirty tricks" that are still possible in Java 11.
On 11/6/18 8:32 PM, DB Tsai wrote:
> OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle,
> https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/, a strict six months model. I'm
> not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
>
> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
> Apple, Inc
>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rxin@databricks.com
>> <ma...@databricks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot
>> of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_tsai@apple.com
>> <ma...@apple.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only
>> realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11
>> LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on
>> this in Spark community.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
>> Apple, Inc
>>
>
--
Robert Stupp
@snazy
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com>.
OpenJDK will follow Oracle's release cycle, https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/ <https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/>, a strict six months model. I'm not familiar with other non-Oracle VMs and Redhat support.
DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com> wrote:
>
> What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot of discussions from Redhat etc to support.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_tsai@apple.com <ma...@apple.com>> wrote:
> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
>
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Reynold Xin <rx...@databricks.com>.
What does OpenJDK do and other non-Oracle VMs? I know there was a lot of
discussions from Redhat etc to support.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option
> is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release.
> I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] |
> Apple, Inc
>
>
Re: Test and support only LTS JDK release?
Posted by Marcelo Vanzin <va...@cloudera.com.INVALID>.
+1, that's always been my view.
Although, to be fair, and as Sean mentioned, the jump from jdk8 is
probably the harder part. After that it's less likely (hopefully?)
that we'll run into issues in non-LTS releases. And even if we don't
officially support them, trying to keep up with breaking changes might
make it easier to support the following LTS.
(Just as an example, both jdk9 and jdk10 are already EOL.)
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:24 AM DB Tsai <d_...@apple.com> wrote:
>
> Given Oracle's new 6-month release model, I feel the only realistic option is to only test and support JDK such as JDK 11 LTS and future LTS release. I would like to have a discussion on this in Spark community.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DB Tsai | Siri Open Source Technologies [not a contribution] | Apple, Inc
>
--
Marcelo
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