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Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Hello since there will no be thus thing like a cocoon-blank.war till at
least version 2.2. My question is can I create one and put it on my
web-page for other users? I mean can I make a cocoon-blank.war and then
offer it for download or will I have legal problems? I will NOT sell it,
I just want to offer it to other user!
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Michael Wolf <wu...@scirem.de>.
> (sorry, sometimes, it fails)
that's true.
on my win 2000 cocoon 2.1.2 builds without problems but 2.1.3 does not.
In such situations it is quite convenient to have a .war file available.
Michael
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
> Hola Antonio (¿Eres de España?), hello Jean and all other.
Lo siento. No soy de España, soy de Nicaragua :-D
(I am sorry, I am not from Spain, I am from Nicaragua)
> 1.) Gracias for the short Howto, Antonio.
Glad to help you.
> 2.) Wiki page about this topic:
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp.
Of course the wiki page is more complete. And as we can see there. There
is not a blank.war solution that fit every need, the posibilities are big,
since we can combinate every blocks from all blocks included to no one
included. How many blanks.war are avaliable? The answer is:
C(number_of_blocks)
where number_of_blocks is:
stable blocks = 25
unstable blocks = 24
deprecated = 1
Total = 50
If you solve this question, you will see there are too much posible
blanks.war and we will need Terabytes to store it. In short a non-sense.
For this reasons is that the current distribution is not compiled. This
avoid people to think there is the best choose.
In my early Cocoon days, there was nothing like this. I builded an
application that have all the code included (at that time there was not a
block concept with the nice switches [TM] that currently we have).
It was a great beast and of course I just used 4 or 5 blocks. The rest was
there doing nothing or just for free using some memory and creating
overhead in the application.
> 3) The cocoon-blank.war would lower the entry barriers I have to admit
> but this is not the aim. The aim is to have a quick start!
I understand, but for a demo quick start you have:
./build.sh
./cocoon.sh servlet
Nothing like this was before. It is simply great.
After you do this, then you can look for a customized start in this way
the user just need to "hack" local.blocks.properties and
local.build.properties and voila.
BTW, I often works with the CVS version and when there is a change inside
the code I used, the I rebuild it. Sometimes it is more than once at a
day.
> At work I prefer to take the basis (cocoon, lenya, struts, ...) of my
> webapp and put the stuff I need (new or additional components) into it.
> Maybe there are people who are doing it the same way ;-). ...*cocoon
> servlet* ...that's a *low entry barrier*. ;-) LOL
:-D
I use Tomcat for my development needs. :-D
> 4) I use cocoon with different other components. At my new job I have to
> develope a lot of webapps. For me it has to be quick and easy. If I
> don't *NEED* to rebuild cocoon *ALL* the times, just once, I go for
> once! Using a cocoon-blank.war is fast and easy!
Yep. I do this. I just rebuild once and then copy the files to the
applications we develop. Currently we are mantaining 4 applications. I
build just once and copy files to them
The only problem is with the cocoon.xconf this currently must be done by
hand.
> Like the
> struts-blank.war just extract the war but it in your IDE an work with
> it! *FAST&EASY*
Don't know struts, sorry, I am a 100% Cocoon developer anything outside is
unknow to me ;-DDDD Really I never used Struts in my life.
> 5) Like Jean stated even a *EASY* cocoon rebuild can fail. I don't
> *NEED* that!
> my 2cents.
another problem is we support 2 version of Java 1.3 and 1.4 So the answer
to the above maths problem we need to multiply by 2.
>
> *BUT* nobody said something about the cocoon-blank.war *LEGAL* aspect.
Sorry, but I cannot answer this question. I am not lawyer. :-(
>>>>> Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
> ...My question is can I create one and put it on my
> web-page for other users?
See the beginning of the mail, in short: "there is no one shirt for every
posible size".
> ...or will I have legal problems? I will NOT
> sell it, I just want to offer it to other user!
> </thorsten>
As before, I cannot give you green light in this. I am not lawyer. But
maybe you will read this:
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/license.html
I think the blank.war can be considered a binary distribution.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Geoff Howard wrote:
> Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
...
>> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp.
...
> Is this whole discussion about 2.0.x? If not, please follow the link at
> the top of that page to the new instructions for 2.1:
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp2.1dev
>
Jupp, for the new stuff use the link from Geoff. I would do it like
CreateMinimalWebapp2.1dev.
...
> And in 2.0.x this is very difficult and there is no point as any new
> projects should be using 2.1. In 2.1 it's still harder to add stuff to
> a binary than to exclude it, which is why we have the current
> source-only dist and why we are spending a lot of effort to implement a
> totally new model in 2.2 called "real blocks" because of a quirk of
> history.
>
Nice :).
>> *BUT* nobody said something about the cocoon-blank.war *LEGAL* aspect.
>
>
> It should be legal if you stick to the ASF license rules. It is being
> done already, at Galatea.com for example. Don't know if he has a bundle
> for 2.1 or not.
Nice page, thx a lot. But the links on that page need to be updated ;-)
Ok, bottom line is that I can do it, if I stick to the license.
Nice, cheers!
King regards
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Geoff Howard <co...@leverageweb.com>.
Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Hola Antonio (¿Eres de España?), hello Jean and all other.
> 1.) Gracias for the short Howto, Antonio.
> 2.) Wiki page about this topic:
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp.
Is this whole discussion about 2.0.x? If not, please follow the link at
the top of that page to the new instructions for 2.1:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp2.1dev
> 3) The cocoon-blank.war would lower the entry barriers I have to admit
> but this is not the aim. The aim is to have a quick start!
> At work I prefer to take the basis (cocoon, lenya, struts, ...) of my
> webapp and put the stuff I need (new or additional components) into it.
And in 2.0.x this is very difficult and there is no point as any new
projects should be using 2.1. In 2.1 it's still harder to add stuff to
a binary than to exclude it, which is why we have the current
source-only dist and why we are spending a lot of effort to implement a
totally new model in 2.2 called "real blocks" because of a quirk of history.
> Maybe there are people who are doing it the same way ;-). ...*cocoon
> servlet* ...that's a *low entry barrier*. ;-) LOL
> 4) I use cocoon with different other components. At my new job I have to
> develope a lot of webapps. For me it has to be quick and easy. If I
> don't *NEED* to rebuild cocoon *ALL* the times, just once, I go for
> once! Using a cocoon-blank.war is fast and easy! Like the
> struts-blank.war just extract the war but it in your IDE an work with
> it! *FAST&EASY*
> 5) Like Jean stated even a *EASY* cocoon rebuild can fail. I don't
> *NEED* that!
> my 2cents.
>
> *BUT* nobody said something about the cocoon-blank.war *LEGAL* aspect.
It should be legal if you stick to the ASF license rules. It is being
done already, at Galatea.com for example. Don't know if he has a bundle
for 2.1 or not.
Geoff
>
>>>>> Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
>
> ...My question is can I create one and put it on my
> web-page for other users? ...or will I have legal problems? I will NOT
> sell it, I just want to offer it to other user!
> </thorsten>
>
>
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Hola Antonio (¿Eres de España?), hello Jean and all other.
1.) Gracias for the short Howto, Antonio.
2.) Wiki page about this topic:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp.
3) The cocoon-blank.war would lower the entry barriers I have to admit
but this is not the aim. The aim is to have a quick start!
At work I prefer to take the basis (cocoon, lenya, struts, ...) of my
webapp and put the stuff I need (new or additional components) into it.
Maybe there are people who are doing it the same way ;-). ...*cocoon
servlet* ...that's a *low entry barrier*. ;-) LOL
4) I use cocoon with different other components. At my new job I have to
develope a lot of webapps. For me it has to be quick and easy. If I
don't *NEED* to rebuild cocoon *ALL* the times, just once, I go for
once! Using a cocoon-blank.war is fast and easy! Like the
struts-blank.war just extract the war but it in your IDE an work with
it! *FAST&EASY*
5) Like Jean stated even a *EASY* cocoon rebuild can fail. I don't
*NEED* that!
my 2cents.
*BUT* nobody said something about the cocoon-blank.war *LEGAL* aspect.
>>>> Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
...My question is can I create one and put it on my
web-page for other users? ...or will I have legal problems? I will NOT
sell it, I just want to offer it to other user!
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Jean-Christophe Kermagoret <jc...@babelobjects.com>.
First :-)
I agree with you but ... the first time I tried cocoon 1,5 month ago,
the build completely failed on windows.
On linux, no problem.
Why ? I don't remember. I made a little effort and I succeeded in using
cocoon a little then it was ok.
I imagine a lot of people that download cocoon, try it to build, fail
(sorry, sometimes, it fails) and go away.
Again, I don't say it's difficult. I only say that if it fails, people
will go away in general. And I totally agree with
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106346491831839&w=2
Best regards,
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>Jean-Christophe Kermagoret dijo:
>
>
>> From a strict user point of view, I think it's really a must.
>>
>>Because compilation never goes the right way the first time.
>>
>>
>
>????? I cannot believe it. Sorry.
>
>
>
>>If you want java developers, why not ? But if you want other developers,
>>I think it's best to have a cocoon-blank.war.
>>
>>
>
>I think there is also Forrest.
>
>
>
>>When you have a problem with compilation, even little, people are
>>already far away.
>>
>>
>
>Sorry, but, I don't see any Java line in the instructions I wrote below.
>
>It is so dificult to write:
>
>./build.sh
>./cocoon.sh servlet
>
>????
>
>If someone is not able to do this. I think it is not a good idea for him
>to use Cocoon at all:
>
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106346491831839&w=2
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Antonio Gallardo
>
>
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello since there will no be thus thing like a cocoon-blank.war till at
>>>>least version 2.2. My question is can I create one and put it on my
>>>>web-page for other users? I mean can I make a cocoon-blank.war and then
>>>>offer it for download or will I have legal problems? I will NOT sell it,
>>>>I just want to offer it to other user!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This is very simple to create a blank war! I make it every time I update
>>>
>>>
>>>from the CVS:
>>
>>
>>>1-copy build.properties to local.build.properties
>>>2-In local.buld.properties comment the follwing properties:
>>>
>>>exclude.webapp.documentation=true
>>>exclude.webapp.javadocs=true
>>>exclude.webapp.samples=true
>>>
>>>exclude.deprecated=true
>>>exclude.javadocs=true
>>>
>>>3-Rebuild cocoon using:
>>>
>>>./build.sh war
>>>
>>>That is all. Did you really think it is a must? I think we can write a
>>>wiki page with this.
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Jean-Christophe Kermagoret dijo:
> From a strict user point of view, I think it's really a must.
>
> Because compilation never goes the right way the first time.
????? I cannot believe it. Sorry.
> If you want java developers, why not ? But if you want other developers,
> I think it's best to have a cocoon-blank.war.
I think there is also Forrest.
> When you have a problem with compilation, even little, people are
> already far away.
Sorry, but, I don't see any Java line in the instructions I wrote below.
It is so dificult to write:
./build.sh
./cocoon.sh servlet
????
If someone is not able to do this. I think it is not a good idea for him
to use Cocoon at all:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106346491831839&w=2
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>>Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
>>
>>
>>>Hello since there will no be thus thing like a cocoon-blank.war till at
>>>least version 2.2. My question is can I create one and put it on my
>>>web-page for other users? I mean can I make a cocoon-blank.war and then
>>>offer it for download or will I have legal problems? I will NOT sell it,
>>>I just want to offer it to other user!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>This is very simple to create a blank war! I make it every time I update
>>from the CVS:
>>
>>1-copy build.properties to local.build.properties
>>2-In local.buld.properties comment the follwing properties:
>>
>>exclude.webapp.documentation=true
>>exclude.webapp.javadocs=true
>>exclude.webapp.samples=true
>>
>>exclude.deprecated=true
>>exclude.javadocs=true
>>
>>3-Rebuild cocoon using:
>>
>>./build.sh war
>>
>>That is all. Did you really think it is a must? I think we can write a
>>wiki page with this.
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Jean-Christophe Kermagoret <jc...@babelobjects.com>.
From a strict user point of view, I think it's really a must.
Because compilation never goes the right way the first time. If you want
java developers, why not ? But if you want other developers, I think
it's best to have a cocoon-blank.war.
When you have a problem with compilation, even little, people are
already far away.
Regards,
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
>
>
>>Hello since there will no be thus thing like a cocoon-blank.war till at
>>least version 2.2. My question is can I create one and put it on my
>>web-page for other users? I mean can I make a cocoon-blank.war and then
>>offer it for download or will I have legal problems? I will NOT sell it,
>>I just want to offer it to other user!
>>
>>
>
>This is very simple to create a blank war! I make it every time I update
>from the CVS:
>
>1-copy build.properties to local.build.properties
>2-In local.buld.properties comment the follwing properties:
>
>exclude.webapp.documentation=true
>exclude.webapp.javadocs=true
>exclude.webapp.samples=true
>
>exclude.deprecated=true
>exclude.javadocs=true
>
>3-Rebuild cocoon using:
>
>./build.sh war
>
>That is all. Did you really think it is a must? I think we can write a
>wiki page with this.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Antonio Gallardo
>
>
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Re: Redistribution of a cocoon-blank.war by myself?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Scherler, Thorsten dijo:
> Hello since there will no be thus thing like a cocoon-blank.war till at
> least version 2.2. My question is can I create one and put it on my
> web-page for other users? I mean can I make a cocoon-blank.war and then
> offer it for download or will I have legal problems? I will NOT sell it,
> I just want to offer it to other user!
This is very simple to create a blank war! I make it every time I update
from the CVS:
1-copy build.properties to local.build.properties
2-In local.buld.properties comment the follwing properties:
exclude.webapp.documentation=true
exclude.webapp.javadocs=true
exclude.webapp.samples=true
exclude.deprecated=true
exclude.javadocs=true
3-Rebuild cocoon using:
./build.sh war
That is all. Did you really think it is a must? I think we can write a
wiki page with this.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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