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Posted to droids-dev@incubator.apache.org by Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> on 2010/12/04 11:02:14 UTC
Re: Who take the lead ?
Hi,
I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still waiting
for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights), so
that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think was
very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as this
is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work back
into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a minimal
amount of direction, especially starting out.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Thanks.
Eugen.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for publishing
> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> > I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
> > But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I still
> don't
> > understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
> Cascading
> > for instance, one-man-project...
> >
>
> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to Droids!
>
> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but after
> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
> base and not helpful at all.
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> > And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
> > much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
>
> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
>
> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities not
> much-better-quality code.
>
> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
> profile based your professional life around them.
>
> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
> "free ride".
>
>
> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
> --
> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> <consulting, training and solutions>
> http://www.codebusters.es/
>
>
Feedback (was Re: Who take the lead ?)
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 23:42 +0100, Chapuis Bertil wrote:
> This one may also be added to the list :-)
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-56
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bertil
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > There are patches submitted for the following issues:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-111
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> > Waiting for your feedback.
> > Thanks.
> > Eugen.
I reviewed 92 and 111. When I was up to apply the patch the server gives
me 500.
I tried in a different ASF rep but with the same result. Maybe it is on
my end but it seems like the ASF svn is down.
salu2
--
Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
<consulting, training and solutions>
http://www.codebusters.es/
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Chapuis Bertil <bc...@agimem.com>.
This one may also be added to the list :-)
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-56
Thanks,
Bertil
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:
> There are patches submitted for the following issues:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-111
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> Waiting for your feedback.
> Thanks.
> Eugen.
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Ryan McKinley <ry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One other thing to keep in mind... JIRA issues without patches often
> > look like requests for someone else to do work. I tend to ignore them
> > 'till there is somethign to look at.
> >
> > The mailing list is a better place to say 'how do people feel about
> > changing XXX' and see if it is a non-starter, something other people
> > want to help with, or don't care one way or the other. As Ross said,
> > if folks don't speak up, and there is real work done, that counts as
> > consensus :)
> >
> > thanks
> > ryan
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that
> I'm
> > > waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
> > > Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to
> > look
> > > at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
> > > Eugen
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Eugene,
> > >>
> > >> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I
> can
> > >> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them
> > before I
> > >> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
> > >>
> > >> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the
> time
> > >> yet.
> > >>
> > >> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
> > >> attention.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my mobile device.
> > >>
> > >> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
> > >> waiting
> > >> > for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit
> rights),
> > so
> > >> > that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on
> them:
> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> > >> > After the spike in communication related to the project (which I
> think
> > >> was
> > >> > very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these,
> > as
> > >> this
> > >> > is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
> > >> > My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my
> work
> > >> back
> > >> > into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a
> > minimal
> > >> > amount of direction, especially starting out.
> > >> > Any feedback is appreciated.
> > >> > Thanks.
> > >> > Eugen.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
> > >> publishing
> > >> >> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
> > >> >> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
> > >> >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
> > >> >> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
> > >> >> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > >> >> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> > >> >>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
> > >> >>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I
> > still
> > >> >> don't
> > >> >>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
> > >> >> Cascading
> > >> >>> for instance, one-man-project...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to
> > Droids!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but
> > after
> > >> >> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have
> > valid
> > >> >> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely
> of
> > >> >> base and not helpful at all.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> > >> >>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of
> a
> > >> >>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator
> and
> > >> >> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about
> communities
> > not
> > >> >> much-better-quality code.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your
> hands
> > >> >> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your
> > LinkedIn
> > >> >> profile based your professional life around them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a
> > benefit
> > >> >> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort"
> as
> > >> >> "free ride".
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> > >> >> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> > >> >> <consulting, training and solutions>
> > >> >> http://www.codebusters.es/
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
--
Bertil Chapuis
Agimem Sàrl
http://www.agimem.com
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>.
There are patches submitted for the following issues:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-111
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
Waiting for your feedback.
Thanks.
Eugen.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Ryan McKinley <ry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One other thing to keep in mind... JIRA issues without patches often
> look like requests for someone else to do work. I tend to ignore them
> 'till there is somethign to look at.
>
> The mailing list is a better place to say 'how do people feel about
> changing XXX' and see if it is a non-starter, something other people
> want to help with, or don't care one way or the other. As Ross said,
> if folks don't speak up, and there is real work done, that counts as
> consensus :)
>
> thanks
> ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that I'm
> > waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
> > Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to
> look
> > at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
> > Eugen
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Eugene,
> >>
> >> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can
> >> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them
> before I
> >> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
> >>
> >> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time
> >> yet.
> >>
> >> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> Sent from my mobile device.
> >>
> >> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
> >> waiting
> >> > for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights),
> so
> >> > that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> >> > After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think
> >> was
> >> > very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these,
> as
> >> this
> >> > is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
> >> > My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work
> >> back
> >> > into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a
> minimal
> >> > amount of direction, especially starting out.
> >> > Any feedback is appreciated.
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > Eugen.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
> >> publishing
> >> >> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
> >> >> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
> >> >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
> >> >> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
> >> >> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >> >>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
> >> >>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I
> still
> >> >> don't
> >> >>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
> >> >> Cascading
> >> >>> for instance, one-man-project...
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to
> Droids!
> >> >>
> >> >> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but
> after
> >> >> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have
> valid
> >> >> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
> >> >> base and not helpful at all.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >> >>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
> >> >>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
> >> >> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
> >> >>
> >> >> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities
> not
> >> >> much-better-quality code.
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
> >> >> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your
> LinkedIn
> >> >> profile based your professional life around them.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a
> benefit
> >> >> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
> >> >> "free ride".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
> >> >> --
> >> >> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> >> >> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> >> >> <consulting, training and solutions>
> >> >> http://www.codebusters.es/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Ryan McKinley <ry...@gmail.com>.
One other thing to keep in mind... JIRA issues without patches often
look like requests for someone else to do work. I tend to ignore them
'till there is somethign to look at.
The mailing list is a better place to say 'how do people feel about
changing XXX' and see if it is a non-starter, something other people
want to help with, or don't care one way or the other. As Ross said,
if folks don't speak up, and there is real work done, that counts as
consensus :)
thanks
ryan
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that I'm
> waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
> Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to look
> at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
> Eugen
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Eugene,
>>
>> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can
>> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them before I
>> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
>>
>> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time
>> yet.
>>
>> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
>> attention.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>
>> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
>> waiting
>> > for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights), so
>> > that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
>> > After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think
>> was
>> > very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as
>> this
>> > is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
>> > My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work
>> back
>> > into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a minimal
>> > amount of direction, especially starting out.
>> > Any feedback is appreciated.
>> > Thanks.
>> > Eugen.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
>> publishing
>> >> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
>> >> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
>> >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
>> >> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
>> >> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>> >>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
>> >>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I still
>> >> don't
>> >>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
>> >> Cascading
>> >>> for instance, one-man-project...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to Droids!
>> >>
>> >> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but after
>> >> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
>> >> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
>> >> base and not helpful at all.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>> >>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
>> >>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
>> >> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
>> >>
>> >> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities not
>> >> much-better-quality code.
>> >>
>> >> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
>> >> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
>> >> profile based your professional life around them.
>> >>
>> >> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
>> >> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
>> >> "free ride".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
>> >> --
>> >> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
>> >> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
>> >> <consulting, training and solutions>
>> >> http://www.codebusters.es/
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>.
Good to know, I will start working on the patches then. Thanks.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2010, at 17:18, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that I'm
> > waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
>
> In general we work through lazy consensus. That is, if nobody objects go
> ahead.
>
> Another principle we have here is let those who do the work make the
> decisions.
>
> Of course if you are not sure about direction and need feedback on how to
> achieve something that's different. But if you feel your ideas are good and
> nobody is objecting just go for it. Code is usually easier to review than
> ideas.
>
> Ross
>
> > Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to
> look
> > at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
> > Eugen
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Eugene,
> >>
> >> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can
> >> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them
> before I
> >> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
> >>
> >> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time
> >> yet.
> >>
> >> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> Sent from my mobile device.
> >>
> >> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
> >> waiting
> >>> for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights),
> so
> >>> that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> >>> After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think
> >> was
> >>> very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as
> >> this
> >>> is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
> >>> My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work
> >> back
> >>> into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a
> minimal
> >>> amount of direction, especially starting out.
> >>> Any feedback is appreciated.
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Eugen.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
> >> publishing
> >>>> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
> >>>> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
> >>>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
> >>>> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >>>>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
> >>>>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I
> still
> >>>> don't
> >>>>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
> >>>> Cascading
> >>>>> for instance, one-man-project...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to
> Droids!
> >>>>
> >>>> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but
> after
> >>>> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
> >>>> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
> >>>> base and not helpful at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >>>>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
> >>>>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
> >>>> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
> >>>>
> >>>> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities
> not
> >>>> much-better-quality code.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
> >>>> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
> >>>> profile based your professional life around them.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
> >>>> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
> >>>> "free ride".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> >>>> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> >>>> <consulting, training and solutions>
> >>>> http://www.codebusters.es/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
On 4 Dec 2010, at 17:18, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that I'm
> waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
In general we work through lazy consensus. That is, if nobody objects go ahead.
Another principle we have here is let those who do the work make the decisions.
Of course if you are not sure about direction and need feedback on how to achieve something that's different. But if you feel your ideas are good and nobody is objecting just go for it. Code is usually easier to review than ideas.
Ross
> Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to look
> at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
> Eugen
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Eugene,
>>
>> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can
>> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them before I
>> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
>>
>> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time
>> yet.
>>
>> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
>> attention.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>
>> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
>> waiting
>>> for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights), so
>>> that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
>>> After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think
>> was
>>> very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as
>> this
>>> is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
>>> My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work
>> back
>>> into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a minimal
>>> amount of direction, especially starting out.
>>> Any feedback is appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Eugen.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
>> publishing
>>>> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
>>>> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
>>>> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>>>>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
>>>>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I still
>>>> don't
>>>>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
>>>> Cascading
>>>>> for instance, one-man-project...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to Droids!
>>>>
>>>> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but after
>>>> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
>>>> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
>>>> base and not helpful at all.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>>>>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
>>>>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
>>>> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
>>>>
>>>> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities not
>>>> much-better-quality code.
>>>>
>>>> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
>>>> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
>>>> profile based your professional life around them.
>>>>
>>>> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
>>>> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
>>>> "free ride".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
>>>> --
>>>> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
>>>> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
>>>> <consulting, training and solutions>
>>>> http://www.codebusters.es/
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com>.
Actually, there is no patch attached to my issues. The reason is that I'm
waiting for some sort of official go ahead before submitting a patch.
Thanks for the quick feedback on this, and as soon as you have time to look
at the issues and give the green light, I will submit patches as well.
Eugen
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Eugene,
>
> I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can
> (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them before I
> find the time and I can just get on with committing.
>
> Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time
> yet.
>
> There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting
> attention.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
> On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still
> waiting
> > for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights), so
> > that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> > After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think
> was
> > very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as
> this
> > is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
> > My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work
> back
> > into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a minimal
> > amount of direction, especially starting out.
> > Any feedback is appreciated.
> > Thanks.
> > Eugen.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for
> publishing
> >> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
> >> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
> >> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
> >> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
> >>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I still
> >> don't
> >>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
> >> Cascading
> >>> for instance, one-man-project...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to Droids!
> >>
> >> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but after
> >> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
> >> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
> >> base and not helpful at all.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
> >>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
> >>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
> >>
> >> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
> >> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
> >>
> >> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities not
> >> much-better-quality code.
> >>
> >> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
> >> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
> >> profile based your professional life around them.
> >>
> >> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
> >> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
> >> "free ride".
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
> >> --
> >> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> >> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> >> <consulting, training and solutions>
> >> http://www.codebusters.es/
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Who take the lead ?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Eugene,
I've got your issues in my todo list. I'll get to them as soon as I can (which will be days at least). Hopefully some else can review them before I find the time and I can just get on with committing.
Your efforts are appreciated. Sorry I've not been able to find the time yet.
There is also at least one patch from another contribute awaiting attention.
Sent from my mobile device.
On 4 Dec 2010, at 11:02, Eugen Paraschiv <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've added a few relatively small issues on the JIRA and I'm still waiting
> for some feedback from someone (hopefully someone with commit rights), so
> that I know that the issues are valid and I can begin working on them:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-92
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DROIDS-106
> After the spike in communication related to the project (which I think was
> very good), I was hoping someone can take the time to look at these, as this
> is the kind of thing that gets thing moving.
> My goal is to keep adding issues and perhaps integrate some of my work back
> into the trunk, but in order for people to do this, we do need a minimal
> amount of direction, especially starting out.
> Any feedback is appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Eugen.
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Fuad Efendi <fu...@efendi.ca> wrote:
>
>> And imagine Cocoon is better powered by Saxon... BTW thanks for publishing
>> link to my profile; I am here not for SEO.
>> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>
>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:24:10
>> To: <dr...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Reply-To: droids-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Who take the lead ?
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 21:50 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>>> I'll try to do more research... I am thinking while writing :)
>>> But please if anyone has real-life use cases, share... because I still
>> don't
>>> understand why for... it was much easier (and valuable) to learn
>> Cascading
>>> for instance, one-man-project...
>>>
>>
>> Dude, nobody forces you to use, evaluate or being subscribed to Droids!
>>
>> I personally do not like your style in criticizing the project but after
>> years as apache committer I got use to people like you. You have valid
>> points in your shouting but the way you present them is completely of
>> base and not helpful at all.
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Fuad Efendi wrote:
>>> And, the best action is to contribute into incubator thousands of a
>>> much-better-quality projects, few-man-week each.
>>
>> Yeah, so do it! Go ahead and start this projects in the incubator and
>> grow a community around it, please, I dare you.
>>
>> ... but maybe you are brand new to the ASF: we are about communities not
>> much-better-quality code.
>>
>> BTW talk is cheap and seeing [1] you have not really made your hands
>> dirty in contributing to open source projects but seeing your LinkedIn
>> profile based your professional life around them.
>>
>> There is a word for that in english, Meriam-Webster defines "a benefit
>> obtained at another's expense or without the usual cost or effort" as
>> "free ride".
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/people?q=fuad%40efendi.ca
>> --
>> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
>> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
>> <consulting, training and solutions>
>> http://www.codebusters.es/
>>
>>