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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Eason Chen <ch...@apache.org> on 2021/02/01 03:19:21 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
All problems and risks seem to be well clarified and resolved. Next, I will
initiate a vote, thank you for your attention and continued participation.
Regards,
Eason
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:00 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Exactly. Here’s a link -
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#namesearch
>
> It’s available from here -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html#podling_suitable_name_search
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 27, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > To help trademarks it would bee best if you provided them with some
> search results as described here. [1] Have a look at a couple of the other
> recent polling name search JIRAs to get a good idea of what is needed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
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Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
PODLINGNAMESEARCH-189 for EventMesh has been approved.
Regards,
Dave
> On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:33 AM, Eason Chen <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> "*On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a
> name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does
> incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t
> change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a
> lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a
> generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved
> before calling the results of the vote.*"
> Thanks for Justin's clarification, i also want to add a few words:
>
> I'm sorry, my words caused unnecessary confusion. I am still following up
> on this issue[1]. I must admit that this name is a very serious problem. By
> reading Apache’s regulations [2], I found that "*the original Podding
> proposal established a working name for the new Podding. During the
> election process, there are often discussions and filtering of suitable
> names, but the proposed name is not final, just temporary*"
> I am tring my best to ensure that it is resolved before the formal
> incubation.
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-188? filter =
> -4&jql = project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH%20order%20by%20created%20DESC
> [2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:14 PM Alexander Alten <al...@scalytics.io> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Fully agree with Justin, we from Wayang had the same problem. We
>> renamed the project before we submitted the proposal, and we
>> documented everything.
>> I’d encourage you to find a name which is TM ready in the US, India,
>> CN and EU (if possible). You can’t graduate (or better it is unlikely)
>> if a project name is not protectable by the ASF. And changing the
>> whole INFRA after a podling is voted into the incubator is a huge
>> effort.
>>
>> --alex
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:52 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a
>> name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does
>> incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t
>> change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a
>> lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a
>> generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved
>> before calling the results of the vote.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Posted by Eason Chen <ch...@apache.org>.
Hi,
"*On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a
name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does
incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t
change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a
lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a
generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved
before calling the results of the vote.*"
Thanks for Justin's clarification, i also want to add a few words:
I'm sorry, my words caused unnecessary confusion. I am still following up
on this issue[1]. I must admit that this name is a very serious problem. By
reading Apache’s regulations [2], I found that "*the original Podding
proposal established a working name for the new Podding. During the
election process, there are often discussions and filtering of suitable
names, but the proposed name is not final, just temporary*"
I am tring my best to ensure that it is resolved before the formal
incubation.
[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-188? filter =
-4&jql = project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH%20order%20by%20created%20DESC
[2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:14 PM Alexander Alten <al...@scalytics.io> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Fully agree with Justin, we from Wayang had the same problem. We
> renamed the project before we submitted the proposal, and we
> documented everything.
> I’d encourage you to find a name which is TM ready in the US, India,
> CN and EU (if possible). You can’t graduate (or better it is unlikely)
> if a project name is not protectable by the ASF. And changing the
> whole INFRA after a podling is voted into the incubator is a huge
> effort.
>
> --alex
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:52 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a
> name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does
> incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t
> change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a
> lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a
> generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved
> before calling the results of the vote.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Posted by Alexander Alten <al...@scalytics.io>.
Hi,
Fully agree with Justin, we from Wayang had the same problem. We
renamed the project before we submitted the proposal, and we
documented everything.
I’d encourage you to find a name which is TM ready in the US, India,
CN and EU (if possible). You can’t graduate (or better it is unlikely)
if a project name is not protectable by the ASF. And changing the
whole INFRA after a podling is voted into the incubator is a huge
effort.
--alex
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:52 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved before calling the results of the vote.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
On one hand we don’t have a policy that say you must have to have done a name search before becoming a piddling, on the other changing a name does incur a large community cost and Infra would prefer that podlings don’t change names. Most podlings do the name search just before graduation. In a lot of cases it fairly obvious there is not going to be an issue, with a generic name like this it may be best to wait until the name is approved before calling the results of the vote.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
A Name Search was started but not completed.
I’m surprised that a vote was started while that was still active.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Eason Chen <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> All problems and risks seem to be well clarified and resolved. Next, I will
> initiate a vote, thank you for your attention and continued participation.
>
> Regards,
> Eason
>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:00 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly. Here’s a link -
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#namesearch
>>
>> It’s available from here -
>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html#podling_suitable_name_search
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To help trademarks it would bee best if you provided them with some
>> search results as described here. [1] Have a look at a couple of the other
>> recent polling name search JIRAs to get a good idea of what is needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> 1. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
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>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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>>>
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