Re: Realistic lean Roadmap

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

The idea is to focus team efforts on a small number of important goals rather than scatter energies on a lot of small goals

To stay focused we need a Roadmap, a simple and realistic one.

Jacques


Le 17/08/2016 � 19:05, Taher Alkhateeb a �crit :
> Hi Jacques,
>
> Would you kindly clarify the objective of the roadmap? What is the desired
> goal and how does it help? I think it is important to understand that to
> see if I would invest time and effort towards authoring the work.
>
> Taher Alkhatteb
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 6:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I move and replace the "Ofbiz Cookbook" thread from the user ML since it
>> concerns more developers
>>
>> We need to have a very realistic lean Roadmap to agree on, follow and
>> progress.
>>
>> We can reuse https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+
>> Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document by simply prioritize the goals, then
>> pick up them as they come and prioritize again now and then when needed.
>>
>> We don't need to prioritize all tasks. Simply few that we put at top to
>> really work on them as a team and then sort again once they are done.
>> For that I have already added in this order "Introduce a plugin system"
>> and "Replace Minilang and widgets actions by a Groovy DSL"
>>
>> Also I don't think we need to maintain lists of "interested" and "willing
>> to help" people by goal. So I have removed this information. It's about
>> having a lean roadmap here, anybody can join at any moment. Rather links to
>> Jira can help to find people interested.
>>
>> I just removed the achieved or abandoned goals there:
>> Abandoned: Ivy integration (because of Gradle integration), Complete the
>> support for VAT(WIP was removed)
>> Achieved: Solr integration
>>
>> It simple and lean, what do you think?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 13/08/2016 � 10:19, Taher Alkhateeb a �crit :
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2016 10:18 AM, "gil portenseigne" <gil.portenseigne@nereide.fr
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes i like this plan :)
>>>> Gil
>>>>
>>>> Le 12/08/2016 � 13:26, Jacques Le Roux a �crit :
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at least:
>>>>> finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) we should
>>>>> gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old good Minilang
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be the R17 main task?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 12/08/2016 � 12:34, gil portenseigne a �crit :
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>> Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion
>>>>>> configuration in IDE Integration part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 12/08/2016 � 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a �crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+
>>>>>>> DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 09/08/2016 � 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a �crit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the
>>>>>>>> statements.
>>>>>>>> This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate
>>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>>> alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is
>>>>>>>> comprehensively
>>>>>>>> documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray <
>>>>>>>> scott.gray@hotwaxsystems.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with a debugger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <pp...@ilscipio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skip,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the
>>>>>>>>>> community,
>>>>>>>>>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own
>>>>>>>>>> standards. I
>>>>>>>>>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or
>>>>>>>>>> entity-auto
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather
>>>>>>>>>> invest
>>>>>>>>> the time into proper java or groovy code.
>>>>>>>>>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they
>>>>>>>>>> can.
>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot,
>>>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>>>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl
>>>>>>>>>> logic
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather
>>>>>>>>>> rely on
>>>>>>>>>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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