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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Norbert Sándor <pr...@hotmail.com> on 2004/06/10 09:07:32 UTC
Tapestry in article on OnJava
Tapestry is mentioned in the article http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html?page=2 about JSF.
N.
RE: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Posted by Ben Mathews <bm...@wilcoxassoc.com>.
Since all the source files are prefixed with the following release, I think
he is fine.
/* This work is hereby released into the Public Domain.
* To view a copy of the public domain dedication, visit
* http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
* or send a letter to Creative Commons, 559 Nathan Abbott Way,
* Stanford, California 94305, USA.
*/
Ben Mathews
Central Point, OR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Longman [mailto:glongman@intelligentworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
>
>
> Can thay guy legally use images from your book?
>
> And some dufus posted in the TSS thread that Spindle is v0.0.1. argh.
>
> Geoff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>
> To: "'Tapestry users'" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Tapestry in article on OnJava
>
>
> Well, the article shows how they can seperate the JSF
> components from the JSP page, which implies that, like
> Tapestry, they can obtain the equivalent of page and
> component templates and specifications from alternate
> sources, such as a database.
>
> Still doubtful on many things; they claim that support for
> detecting/recovering from browser-back-button is coming.
> Tapestry has it and its getting better.
>
> Still don't have components with templates. Can they get it?
> They seem to think so.
>
> Rest of Tapestry isn't magic, just hard work, discipline,
> etc. They can buffer output? They can do what Tapestry does
> with JavaScript output. I think the JSF components are "live"
> as objects long enough for them to do the same tricks as
> Tapestry ... gettting client-side ids out of the components
> to generate JavaScript and such. Maybe.
>
> Will find a chance to read up and find out more.
>
> As I told Geary, We'll be raising the bar in 3.1 as well!
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
> http://howardlewisship.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:19 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:07 AM, Norbert Sándor wrote:
> > > Tapestry is mentioned in the article
> > >
> http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/> jsf.html?page=2
> about
> > > JSF.
> >
> > I've added some
> comments to this article. TheServerSide has
> > picked up
> > on it: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=26514
> >
> > I'm *really* interested in the Tapestry community response to
> > this. If
> > JSF can adopt pure HTML templates and OGNL expressions
> (both of which
> > have been noted to be possible), where does that leave
> > Tapestry? What
> > does Tapestry have that JSF cannot get to?
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@intelligentworks.com>.
Can thay guy legally use images from your book?
And some dufus posted in the TSS thread that Spindle is v0.0.1. argh.
Geoff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>
To: "'Tapestry users'" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Well, the article shows how they can seperate the JSF components from the JSP page, which implies
that, like Tapestry, they can obtain the equivalent of page and component templates and
specifications from alternate sources, such as a database.
Still doubtful on many things; they claim that support for detecting/recovering from
browser-back-button is coming. Tapestry has it and its getting better.
Still don't have components with templates. Can they get it? They seem to think so.
Rest of Tapestry isn't magic, just hard work, discipline, etc. They can buffer output? They can do
what Tapestry does with JavaScript output. I think the JSF components are "live" as objects long
enough for them to do the same tricks as Tapestry ... gettting client-side ids out of the components
to generate JavaScript and such. Maybe.
Will find a chance to read up and find out more.
As I told Geary, We'll be raising the bar in 3.1 as well!
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
http://howardlewisship.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:07 AM, Norbert Sándor wrote:
> > Tapestry is mentioned in the article
> > http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html?page=2 about
> > JSF.
>
> I've added some comments to this article. TheServerSide has
> picked up
> on it: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=26514
>
> I'm *really* interested in the Tapestry community response to
> this. If
> JSF can adopt pure HTML templates and OGNL expressions (both of which
> have been noted to be possible), where does that leave
> Tapestry? What
> does Tapestry have that JSF cannot get to?
>
> Erik
>
>
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Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@intelligentworks.com>.
Some comments on JSF and Tapestry are starting appear here:
http://www.almaer.com/blog/archives/000221.html
Geoff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>
To: "'Tapestry users'" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Well, the article shows how they can seperate the JSF components from the JSP page, which implies
that, like Tapestry, they can obtain the equivalent of page and component templates and
specifications from alternate sources, such as a database.
Still doubtful on many things; they claim that support for detecting/recovering from
browser-back-button is coming. Tapestry has it and its getting better.
Still don't have components with templates. Can they get it? They seem to think so.
Rest of Tapestry isn't magic, just hard work, discipline, etc. They can buffer output? They can do
what Tapestry does with JavaScript output. I think the JSF components are "live" as objects long
enough for them to do the same tricks as Tapestry ... gettting client-side ids out of the components
to generate JavaScript and such. Maybe.
Will find a chance to read up and find out more.
As I told Geary, We'll be raising the bar in 3.1 as well!
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
http://howardlewisship.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:07 AM, Norbert Sándor wrote:
> > Tapestry is mentioned in the article
> > http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html?page=2 about
> > JSF.
>
> I've added some comments to this article. TheServerSide has
> picked up
> on it: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=26514
>
> I'm *really* interested in the Tapestry community response to
> this. If
> JSF can adopt pure HTML templates and OGNL expressions (both of which
> have been noted to be possible), where does that leave
> Tapestry? What
> does Tapestry have that JSF cannot get to?
>
> Erik
>
>
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RE: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Posted by "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>.
Well, the article shows how they can seperate the JSF components from the JSP page, which implies
that, like Tapestry, they can obtain the equivalent of page and component templates and
specifications from alternate sources, such as a database.
Still doubtful on many things; they claim that support for detecting/recovering from
browser-back-button is coming. Tapestry has it and its getting better.
Still don't have components with templates. Can they get it? They seem to think so.
Rest of Tapestry isn't magic, just hard work, discipline, etc. They can buffer output? They can do
what Tapestry does with JavaScript output. I think the JSF components are "live" as objects long
enough for them to do the same tricks as Tapestry ... gettting client-side ids out of the components
to generate JavaScript and such. Maybe.
Will find a chance to read up and find out more.
As I told Geary, We'll be raising the bar in 3.1 as well!
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
http://howardlewisship.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:07 AM, Norbert Sándor wrote:
> > Tapestry is mentioned in the article
> > http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html?page=2 about
> > JSF.
>
> I've added some comments to this article. TheServerSide has
> picked up
> on it: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=26514
>
> I'm *really* interested in the Tapestry community response to
> this. If
> JSF can adopt pure HTML templates and OGNL expressions (both of which
> have been noted to be possible), where does that leave
> Tapestry? What
> does Tapestry have that JSF cannot get to?
>
> Erik
>
>
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Re: Tapestry in article on OnJava
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:07 AM, Norbert Sándor wrote:
> Tapestry is mentioned in the article
> http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/09/jsf.html?page=2 about
> JSF.
I've added some comments to this article. TheServerSide has picked up
on it: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=26514
I'm *really* interested in the Tapestry community response to this. If
JSF can adopt pure HTML templates and OGNL expressions (both of which
have been noted to be possible), where does that leave Tapestry? What
does Tapestry have that JSF cannot get to?
Erik
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