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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> on 2016/12/01 08:42:27 UTC
OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Hello Maxim,
Could be possible light the double arrow
button in step 4 of the OM installation?
So will be easiest the installation in
the tutorials for newbes users.
Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
Thanks
Alvaro
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
OK, no objection
So last step is enabled: Committed revision 1773171.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello PMCs,
>
> Any other opinions?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is actually not easy question :(
>>
>> We do have lots of emails from users like: file upload broken, please
>> help! recordings broken, please help!
>> This additional required step can help to know about issues like this
>> _before_ OM will be started
>>
>> On the other hand, too complicated wizard is not very good
>> I'm not sure what is the "lesser evil" ....
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...i think that any installation of servers or of any
>>> other software, should be as simple as possible, and once
>>> installed, the user already has more self-confidence regarding
>>> software, then use the corresponding tools for lots of testing.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, put that tool during the installation process
>>> the software, is complicating the user. Always thinking of newbies.
>>>
>>> So we understand it, for me:
>>>
>>> newbie = person have not any experience about installation of any
>>> server.
>>>
>>> new user = person that have an experience about installing servers.
>>>
>>> Technically the best is what you say, but practically and thinking
>>> it is always in newbies, make difficult it the installation by putting
>>> more steps.
>>>
>>> In summary, think that this tool should be in OpenMeetings after you
>>> login, not before.
>>>
>>> And not find very acceptable force users to pass by all the steps
>>> without requiring it, being able to give them another option.
>>>
>>> It is only an opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ..........................
>>>
>>> On jue, 2016-12-01 at 19:42 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > Hello Alvaro,
>>> >
>>> > I'm afraid these new checks will be useless if it will be possible to
>>> skip
>>> > them
>>> >
>>> > WBR, Maxim
>>> > (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 1, 2016 17:09, "Alvaro" <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > ...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
>>> > >
>>> > > The installation changes you made are rights, but
>>> > > also can be the option to skip these new steps.
>>> > >
>>> > > It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
>>> > > as it was till now.
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you know what i mean?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ...........................
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > > > Hello Alvaro,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I see no attachment :(
>>> > > > Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd
>>> party
>>> > > > tools are correctly installed
>>> > > > I believe this change is important to get consistent OM
>>> installation
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Hello Maxim,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Could be possible light the double arrow
>>> > > > > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
>>> > > > > So will be easiest the installation in
>>> > > > > the tutorials for newbes users.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thanks
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Alvaro
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello PMCs,
Any other opinions?
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is actually not easy question :(
>
> We do have lots of emails from users like: file upload broken, please
> help! recordings broken, please help!
> This additional required step can help to know about issues like this
> _before_ OM will be started
>
> On the other hand, too complicated wizard is not very good
> I'm not sure what is the "lesser evil" ....
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...i think that any installation of servers or of any
>> other software, should be as simple as possible, and once
>> installed, the user already has more self-confidence regarding
>> software, then use the corresponding tools for lots of testing.
>>
>> In my opinion, put that tool during the installation process
>> the software, is complicating the user. Always thinking of newbies.
>>
>> So we understand it, for me:
>>
>> newbie = person have not any experience about installation of any
>> server.
>>
>> new user = person that have an experience about installing servers.
>>
>> Technically the best is what you say, but practically and thinking
>> it is always in newbies, make difficult it the installation by putting
>> more steps.
>>
>> In summary, think that this tool should be in OpenMeetings after you
>> login, not before.
>>
>> And not find very acceptable force users to pass by all the steps
>> without requiring it, being able to give them another option.
>>
>> It is only an opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> ..........................
>>
>> On jue, 2016-12-01 at 19:42 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> > Hello Alvaro,
>> >
>> > I'm afraid these new checks will be useless if it will be possible to
>> skip
>> > them
>> >
>> > WBR, Maxim
>> > (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
>> >
>> > On Dec 1, 2016 17:09, "Alvaro" <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > ...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
>> > >
>> > > The installation changes you made are rights, but
>> > > also can be the option to skip these new steps.
>> > >
>> > > It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
>> > > as it was till now.
>> > >
>> > > Do you know what i mean?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ...........................
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> > > > Hello Alvaro,
>> > > >
>> > > > I see no attachment :(
>> > > > Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd
>> party
>> > > > tools are correctly installed
>> > > > I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hello Maxim,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Could be possible light the double arrow
>> > > > > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
>> > > > > So will be easiest the installation in
>> > > > > the tutorials for newbes users.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Alvaro
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
This is actually not easy question :(
We do have lots of emails from users like: file upload broken, please help!
recordings broken, please help!
This additional required step can help to know about issues like this
_before_ OM will be started
On the other hand, too complicated wizard is not very good
I'm not sure what is the "lesser evil" ....
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...i think that any installation of servers or of any
> other software, should be as simple as possible, and once
> installed, the user already has more self-confidence regarding
> software, then use the corresponding tools for lots of testing.
>
> In my opinion, put that tool during the installation process
> the software, is complicating the user. Always thinking of newbies.
>
> So we understand it, for me:
>
> newbie = person have not any experience about installation of any
> server.
>
> new user = person that have an experience about installing servers.
>
> Technically the best is what you say, but practically and thinking
> it is always in newbies, make difficult it the installation by putting
> more steps.
>
> In summary, think that this tool should be in OpenMeetings after you
> login, not before.
>
> And not find very acceptable force users to pass by all the steps
> without requiring it, being able to give them another option.
>
> It is only an opinion.
>
>
>
> ..........................
>
> On jue, 2016-12-01 at 19:42 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > Hello Alvaro,
> >
> > I'm afraid these new checks will be useless if it will be possible to
> skip
> > them
> >
> > WBR, Maxim
> > (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2016 17:09, "Alvaro" <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
> > >
> > > The installation changes you made are rights, but
> > > also can be the option to skip these new steps.
> > >
> > > It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
> > > as it was till now.
> > >
> > > Do you know what i mean?
> > >
> > >
> > > ...........................
> > >
> > >
> > > On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > > > Hello Alvaro,
> > > >
> > > > I see no attachment :(
> > > > Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd
> party
> > > > tools are correctly installed
> > > > I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Maxim,
> > > > >
> > > > > Could be possible light the double arrow
> > > > > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
> > > > > So will be easiest the installation in
> > > > > the tutorials for newbes users.
> > > > >
> > > > > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Alvaro
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com>.
...i think that any installation of servers or of any
other software, should be as simple as possible, and once
installed, the user already has more self-confidence regarding
software, then use the corresponding tools for lots of testing.
In my opinion, put that tool during the installation process
the software, is complicating the user. Always thinking of newbies.
So we understand it, for me:
newbie = person have not any experience about installation of any
server.
new user = person that have an experience about installing servers.
Technically the best is what you say, but practically and thinking
it is always in newbies, make difficult it the installation by putting
more steps.
In summary, think that this tool should be in OpenMeetings after you
login, not before.
And not find very acceptable force users to pass by all the steps
without requiring it, being able to give them another option.
It is only an opinion.
..........................
On jue, 2016-12-01 at 19:42 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Hello Alvaro,
>
> I'm afraid these new checks will be useless if it will be possible to skip
> them
>
> WBR, Maxim
> (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
>
> On Dec 1, 2016 17:09, "Alvaro" <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > ...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
> >
> > The installation changes you made are rights, but
> > also can be the option to skip these new steps.
> >
> > It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
> > as it was till now.
> >
> > Do you know what i mean?
> >
> >
> > ...........................
> >
> >
> > On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > > Hello Alvaro,
> > >
> > > I see no attachment :(
> > > Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd party
> > > tools are correctly installed
> > > I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Maxim,
> > > >
> > > > Could be possible light the double arrow
> > > > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
> > > > So will be easiest the installation in
> > > > the tutorials for newbes users.
> > > >
> > > > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Alvaro
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Alvaro,
I'm afraid these new checks will be useless if it will be possible to skip
them
WBR, Maxim
(from mobile, sorry for the typos)
On Dec 1, 2016 17:09, "Alvaro" <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
>
> The installation changes you made are rights, but
> also can be the option to skip these new steps.
>
> It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
> as it was till now.
>
> Do you know what i mean?
>
>
> ...........................
>
>
> On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > Hello Alvaro,
> >
> > I see no attachment :(
> > Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd party
> > tools are correctly installed
> > I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Maxim,
> > >
> > > Could be possible light the double arrow
> > > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
> > > So will be easiest the installation in
> > > the tutorials for newbes users.
> > >
> > > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Alvaro
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com>.
...i send to you the screenshot by private way.
The installation changes you made are rights, but
also can be the option to skip these new steps.
It i say, is to stay the button double arrow enabled
as it was till now.
Do you know what i mean?
...........................
On jue, 2016-12-01 at 16:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Hello Alvaro,
>
> I see no attachment :(
> Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd party
> tools are correctly installed
> I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Maxim,
> >
> > Could be possible light the double arrow
> > button in step 4 of the OM installation?
> > So will be easiest the installation in
> > the tutorials for newbes users.
> >
> > Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alvaro
> >
>
>
>
Re: OM 3.1.4 #467 double arrow button light
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Alvaro,
I see no attachment :(
Installer was recently changed so new users can check if all 3rd party
tools are correctly installed
I believe this change is important to get consistent OM installation
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro <zu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> Could be possible light the double arrow
> button in step 4 of the OM installation?
> So will be easiest the installation in
> the tutorials for newbes users.
>
> Attached a screenshot of the step 4.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alvaro
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax