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Posted to users@activemq.apache.org by Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> on 2016/01/28 22:36:15 UTC
backing up message queues
Hey guys,
I need to find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
order to backup RabbitMQ message queues. I believe it is, but I would like
some confirmation on that.
The reason I ask is that we are using RabbitMQ within a PaaS system known
as Pivotal Cloud Foundry. We'd like to backup our rabbitMQ nodes at the
vmware level. But PCF does not have the ability to enable message
persistence in it's rabbitMQ service.
So if that's the case where message persistance would need to be on, the
only solution would probably be to replicate to a RabbitMQ cluster that
sits outside of PCF via shovel or federation, and enable message
persistence in the external cluster. Then we could backup that cluster.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks!!
Tim
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Re: backing up message queues
Posted by Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com>.
Hey, thank Clebert! I'll check it out!
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> although.. look at activemq for some comparison:
> http://activemq.apache.org/persistence.html
>
>
> and look at artemis for some comparison if that helps:
> http://activemq.apache.org/artemis/docs/1.2.0/persistence.html
>
>
>
> Persistence on messaging is usually to help you survive failures or paging.
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
> >
> >
> > Whoops! Sorry. I'll go hit them up for info.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Clebert Suconic <
> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> >>find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
> >> order to backup RabbitMQ message queues<<
> >>
> >> you would be better asking that question on the RabbitMQ user's forum,
> >> or whatever they provide you.
> >>
> >> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hey guys,
> >> >
> >> > I need to find out if if it's necessary to enable message
> persistence in
> >> > order to backup RabbitMQ message queues. I believe it is, but I would
> >> like
> >> > some confirmation on that.
> >> >
> >> > The reason I ask is that we are using RabbitMQ within a PaaS system
> known
> >> > as Pivotal Cloud Foundry. We'd like to backup our rabbitMQ nodes at
> the
> >> > vmware level. But PCF does not have the ability to enable message
> >> > persistence in it's rabbitMQ service.
> >> >
> >> > So if that's the case where message persistance would need to be on,
> the
> >> > only solution would probably be to replicate to a RabbitMQ cluster
> that
> >> > sits outside of PCF via shovel or federation, and enable message
> >> > persistence in the external cluster. Then we could backup that
> cluster.
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts on this?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!!
> >> > Tim
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > GPG me!!
> >> >
> >> > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Clebert Suconic
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > GPG me!!
> >
> > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
>
>
>
> --
> Clebert Suconic
>
--
GPG me!!
gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: backing up message queues
Posted by Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>.
although.. look at activemq for some comparison:
http://activemq.apache.org/persistence.html
and look at artemis for some comparison if that helps:
http://activemq.apache.org/artemis/docs/1.2.0/persistence.html
Persistence on messaging is usually to help you survive failures or paging.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
>
>
> Whoops! Sorry. I'll go hit them up for info.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >>find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
>> order to backup RabbitMQ message queues<<
>>
>> you would be better asking that question on the RabbitMQ user's forum,
>> or whatever they provide you.
>>
>> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > I need to find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
>> > order to backup RabbitMQ message queues. I believe it is, but I would
>> like
>> > some confirmation on that.
>> >
>> > The reason I ask is that we are using RabbitMQ within a PaaS system known
>> > as Pivotal Cloud Foundry. We'd like to backup our rabbitMQ nodes at the
>> > vmware level. But PCF does not have the ability to enable message
>> > persistence in it's rabbitMQ service.
>> >
>> > So if that's the case where message persistance would need to be on, the
>> > only solution would probably be to replicate to a RabbitMQ cluster that
>> > sits outside of PCF via shovel or federation, and enable message
>> > persistence in the external cluster. Then we could backup that cluster.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on this?
>> >
>> > Thanks!!
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > --
>> > GPG me!!
>> >
>> > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Clebert Suconic
>>
>
>
>
> --
> GPG me!!
>
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
--
Clebert Suconic
Re: backing up message queues
Posted by Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com>.
>
> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
Whoops! Sorry. I'll go hit them up for info.
Thanks,
Tim
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
> order to backup RabbitMQ message queues<<
>
> you would be better asking that question on the RabbitMQ user's forum,
> or whatever they provide you.
>
> This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I need to find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
> > order to backup RabbitMQ message queues. I believe it is, but I would
> like
> > some confirmation on that.
> >
> > The reason I ask is that we are using RabbitMQ within a PaaS system known
> > as Pivotal Cloud Foundry. We'd like to backup our rabbitMQ nodes at the
> > vmware level. But PCF does not have the ability to enable message
> > persistence in it's rabbitMQ service.
> >
> > So if that's the case where message persistance would need to be on, the
> > only solution would probably be to replicate to a RabbitMQ cluster that
> > sits outside of PCF via shovel or federation, and enable message
> > persistence in the external cluster. Then we could backup that cluster.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this?
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Tim
> >
> > --
> > GPG me!!
> >
> > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
>
>
>
> --
> Clebert Suconic
>
--
GPG me!!
gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: backing up message queues
Posted by Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>.
>>find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
order to backup RabbitMQ message queues<<
you would be better asking that question on the RabbitMQ user's forum,
or whatever they provide you.
This is the user's forum for the Apache ActiveMQ project.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Tim Dunphy <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I need to find out if if it's necessary to enable message persistence in
> order to backup RabbitMQ message queues. I believe it is, but I would like
> some confirmation on that.
>
> The reason I ask is that we are using RabbitMQ within a PaaS system known
> as Pivotal Cloud Foundry. We'd like to backup our rabbitMQ nodes at the
> vmware level. But PCF does not have the ability to enable message
> persistence in it's rabbitMQ service.
>
> So if that's the case where message persistance would need to be on, the
> only solution would probably be to replicate to a RabbitMQ cluster that
> sits outside of PCF via shovel or federation, and enable message
> persistence in the external cluster. Then we could backup that cluster.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks!!
> Tim
>
> --
> GPG me!!
>
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
--
Clebert Suconic