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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au> on 2011/07/08 23:16:41 UTC
ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>
> +1:
>
> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
Gav...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>
> Hi Manfred,
>
> > did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>
> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
> German over 30 years ago.
>
> If others know ....
>
> > IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
> > user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>
> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>
> An announcement should probably include:
>
> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated
> carefully and people can continue as now.
> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a
> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>
> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
> > schrieb "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net>:
> >>
> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
> >>> Or is this an admin permission?
> >>
> >> On another thread and list I saw this:
> >>
> >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
> information."
> >>
> >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
> >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
> >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
> >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
> >>
> >> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
> > approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
> > haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
RE: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
And I'm willing to publish but not that keen on admin.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 14:30
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> +1:
>>
>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>
> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
>
> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>
> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
Apache OpenOffice.org
Capitalization is important in the branding. We have been abbreviating ourselves as AOOo.
I'm willing to admin, but I don't necessarily want to be a publisher.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> Hi Manfred,
>>
>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>
>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>> German over 30 years ago.
>>
>> If others know ....
>>
>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>
>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>
>> An announcement should probably include:
>>
>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated
>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a
>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>
>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>
>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>
>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>> information."
>>>>
>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>
>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>
>
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> +1:
>>
>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>
> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
>
> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>
> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
Apache OpenOffice.org
Capitalization is important in the branding. We have been abbreviating ourselves as AOOo.
I'm willing to admin, but I don't necessarily want to be a publisher.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> Hi Manfred,
>>
>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>
>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>> German over 30 years ago.
>>
>> If others know ....
>>
>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>
>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>
>> An announcement should probably include:
>>
>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated
>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a
>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>
>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>
>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>
>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>> information."
>>>>
>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>
>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>
>
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Reminder: you will need some folks with the appropriate Admin role to
moderate (or screen out) comments on your blog. I imagine once you
start posting you may get a number of readers.
Folks may also be interested in following Planet Apache:
http://planet.apache.org/
- Shane
On 7/8/2011 5:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> +1:
>>
>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>
> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
>
> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>
> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> Hi Manfred,
>>
>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>
>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>> German over 30 years ago.
>>
>> If others know ....
>>
>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>
>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>
>> An announcement should probably include:
>>
>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated
>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a
>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>
>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>
>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>
>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>> information."
>>>>
>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>
>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>
>
Re: ooo blog
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
And of course thanks for being proactive.
Am 07/08/2011 11:36 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension
> or keep like it was in the old project.
>
> BTW:
> What will be the URL name?
>
> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> +1:
>>>
>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>>> progress."
>>
>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
>> it, then we
>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>> publishers.
>>
>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>> should be
>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>
>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>
>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>
>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high
>>> school
>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> If others know ....
>>>
>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>
>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>
>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>> migrated
>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
>>> ooo-dev w/ a
>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>
>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
>>>>>> subscribers?
>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>
>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>> information."
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 07/08/2011 03:05 PM, David McKay wrote:
> Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just the
> project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the name
> OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache
> OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice (a
> company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems?
>
> Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org
> the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name
> itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org myself.)
>
> Dave.
Yeah, once upon a time, when you did a search on "Open Office", the
*other* office suite, whoever owned this brand, came up (like maybe 6+
years ago). Now it doesn't, but we should ascertain the status or
history of this before changing the product/brand name I think, just to
be safe.
>
> On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
>> extension or keep like it was in the old project.
>>
>> BTW:
>> What will be the URL name?
>>
>> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> +1:
>>>>
>>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>>>> progress."
>>>
>>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
>>> it, then we
>>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>>> publishers.
>>>
>>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>>> should be
>>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon
>>> graduation
>>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>>
>>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>>
>>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>>
>>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
>>>> computer
>>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high
>>>> school
>>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> If others know ....
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>>
>>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>>
>>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>>> migrated
>>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
>>>> ooo-dev w/ a
>>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>>
>>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
>>>>>>> subscribers?
>>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>>> information."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>
--
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"He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff,
that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and
I'll just start over kind of attitude."
-- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
Re: ooo blog
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Dave Fisher wrote:
> Yes. When I volunteer to admin, but not publish, I am saying that I am not going to be a blogger (if I can avoid it.) I would only correct obvious errors and omissions. There should be at least one other admin as well.
I will offer to assist Dave with the admin part. I am not a blogger as
well, if that makes any difference.
Andy
Re: ooo blog
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 8:29 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ooo blog
>>
>> Am 07/09/2011 12:05 AM, schrieb David McKay:
>>> Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just
>>> the project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the
>>> name OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache
>>> OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice
>>> (a company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems?
>>
>> I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. It was just a hint to think about new things.
>> You know: new game --> new possibilities. ;-)
>>
>>> Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org
>>> the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name
>>
>> It was the decision of the companies not to do it.
>>
>>> itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org
>>> myself.)
>>
>> That's OK.
>>
>> BTW:
>> Publish permission means I can write articles
>
> correct
>
>> and admin rights means to write
>> articles *and* to moderate comments. Right?
>
> Correct, and also to be able to 'invite' * others into a admin/publish role.
Yes. When I volunteer to admin, but not publish, I am saying that I am not going to be a blogger (if I can avoid it.) I would only correct obvious errors and omissions. There should be at least one other admin as well.
(An aside - I experimented with Roller quite a bit a few years ago. We had it running in Tomcat with different Domain Names in different VHosts. That required weird symbolic links and a configuration that makes Apache Tomcat developers sick. Roller seems to load about 4000 classes.)
> * Note invitations must be to existing blog accounts, and blog accounts are
> created by Infra (mainly me) and are not LDAP aware at this stage.
I take it you would like to batch the account setup. Do you want to start a clock on the first signups? Say 72 hours?
Best Regards,
Dave
>
> Gav...
>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
>>>> extension or keep like it was in the old project.
>>>>
>>>> BTW:
>>>> What will be the URL name?
>>>>
>>>> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>>>>>> progress."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
>>>>> it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that
>>>>> will be publishers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog
>>>>> name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will
>>>>> have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal
>>>>> pita so we don't do it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gav...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
>>>>>> computer languages, my human language skills are English with a
>>>>>> little high school German over 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If others know ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the
>>>>>>> actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to
>> disseminate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>>>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>>>>> migrated carefully and people can continue as now.
>>>>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
>>>>>> ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>> progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011
>>>>>>> 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
>>>>>>>>> subscribers?
>>>>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>>>>> information."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently
>>>>>>>>> subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to
>>>>>>>>> active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be
>>>>>>>>> one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>
RE: ooo blog
Posted by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 8:29 AM
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ooo blog
>
> Am 07/09/2011 12:05 AM, schrieb David McKay:
> > Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just
> > the project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the
> > name OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache
> > OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice
> > (a company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems?
>
> I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. It was just a hint to think about new things.
> You know: new game --> new possibilities. ;-)
>
> > Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org
> > the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name
>
> It was the decision of the companies not to do it.
>
> > itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org
> > myself.)
>
> That's OK.
>
> BTW:
> Publish permission means I can write articles
correct
> and admin rights means to write
> articles *and* to moderate comments. Right?
Correct, and also to be able to 'invite' * others into a admin/publish role.
* Note invitations must be to existing blog accounts, and blog accounts are
created by Infra (mainly me) and are not LDAP aware at this stage.
Gav...
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> > On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> >> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
> >> extension or keep like it was in the old project.
> >>
> >> BTW:
> >> What will be the URL name?
> >>
> >> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
> >>
> >> Marcus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
> >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
> >>>>
> >>>> +1:
> >>>>
> >>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
> >>>> progress."
> >>>
> >>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
> >>> it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that
> >>> will be publishers.
> >>>
> >>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog
> >>> name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will
> >>> have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal
> >>> pita so we don't do it.)
> >>>
> >>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
> >>>
> >>> Gav...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
> >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Manfred,
> >>>>
> >>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
> >>>>
> >>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
> >>>> computer languages, my human language skills are English with a
> >>>> little high school German over 30 years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> If others know ....
> >>>>
> >>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the
> >>>>> actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to
> disseminate.
> >>>>
> >>>> An announcement should probably include:
> >>>>
> >>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
> >>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
> >>>> migrated carefully and people can continue as now.
> >>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
> >>>> ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way.
> >>>>
> >>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
> progress.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011
> >>>>> 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
> >>>>>>> subscribers?
> >>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
> >>>> information."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently
> >>>>>>> subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to
> >>>>>>> active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be
> >>>>>>> one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
> >>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
> >>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Dave
Re: ooo blog
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/09/2011 12:05 AM, schrieb David McKay:
> Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just the
> project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the name
> OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache
> OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice (a
> company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems?
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. It was just a hint to think about new
things. You know: new game --> new possibilities. ;-)
> Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org
> the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name
It was the decision of the companies not to do it.
> itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org myself.)
That's OK.
BTW:
Publish permission means I can write articles and admin rights means to
write articles *and* to moderate comments. Right?
Marcus
> On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
>> extension or keep like it was in the old project.
>>
>> BTW:
>> What will be the URL name?
>>
>> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> +1:
>>>>
>>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>>>> progress."
>>>
>>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
>>> it, then we
>>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>>> publishers.
>>>
>>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>>> should be
>>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon
>>> graduation
>>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>>
>>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>>
>>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>>
>>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
>>>> computer
>>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high
>>>> school
>>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> If others know ....
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>>
>>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>>
>>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>>> migrated
>>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
>>>> ooo-dev w/ a
>>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>>
>>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
>>>>>>> subscribers?
>>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>>> information."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by David McKay <dm...@btconnect.com>.
Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just the
project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the name
OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache
OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice (a
company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems?
Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org
the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name
itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org myself.)
Dave.
On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
> extension or keep like it was in the old project.
>
> BTW:
> What will be the URL name?
>
> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> +1:
>>>
>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
>>> progress."
>>
>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
>> it, then we
>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>> publishers.
>>
>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>> should be
>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon
>> graduation
>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>
>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>
>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>
>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
>>> computer
>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high
>>> school
>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> If others know ....
>>>
>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>
>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>
>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>> migrated
>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
>>> ooo-dev w/ a
>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>
>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list
>>>>>> subscribers?
>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>
>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>> information."
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Indeed, the podling will need to conform to the Apache Project Branding
Requirements before it graduates to TLP:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
Note that a key requirement is using a project (and product) name in the
form of "Apache Foo". What the Foo is is up to the project to decide.
In this case, I'd imagine the PPMC would work on the specific naming
later on, after the community gels for a while and has at least one
release put out.
Note that in this case I imagine the ASF will continue to maintain the
openoffice.org URL(s), given the large set of pre-existing users and
software installed that might phone home. However once the project
graduates to TLP, I would expect the primary landing URL that we use
publicly in future collateral to be on an apache.org domain.
- Shane
On 7/8/2011 6:13 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or
>> keep like it was in the old project.
>>
>
> Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark
> perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised
> to Apache Branding on this.
>
> Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on
> the resolution of the exact name?
>
>> BTW:
>> What will be the URL name?
>>
>> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> +1:
>>>>
>>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>>>
>>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it,
>>> then we
>>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>>> publishers.
>>>
>>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>>> should be
>>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
>>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>>
>>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>>
>>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>>
>>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> If others know ....
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>>
>>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>>
>>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>>> migrated
>>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/
>>>> a
>>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>>
>>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>>>
>>>> information."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>>>
>>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by IngridvdM <In...@gmx-topmail.de>.
Gavin McDonald wrote:
> Ok, the URL can be anything that starts off with blogs.apache.org/
>
> So that can be
>
> blogs.apache.org/ooo
> blogs.apache.org/openoffice
> blogs.apache.org/openofficeorg
>
> (no dots or caps in the url Im afraid)
>
>
For the blog url I would choose one of the longer speaking version, not
'ooo'. As a blog will also be visited by people that are not yet
familiar with the typical project abbreviations, I would rate a more
describing url to be more inviting.
I am still undecided on the org extension.
Kind regards,
Ingrid
RE: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rabastus@gmail.com [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob
> Weir
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 8:14 AM
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> > AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org"
> > extension or keep like it was in the old project.
> >
>
> Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark
> perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised to
> Apache Branding on this.
>
> Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on the
> resolution of the exact name?
Ok, the URL can be anything that starts off with blogs.apache.org/
So that can be
blogs.apache.org/ooo
blogs.apache.org/openoffice
blogs.apache.org/openofficeorg
(no dots or caps in the url Im afraid)
etc..
The Title of the blog can be flexible too, I just checked and indeed it can be
renamed,
example:
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/
has the title
'The Apache Software Foundation Blog'
http://blogs.apache.org/infra/
has the title
'Apache Infrastructure Team'
...
so I think therefore please choose a URI to use and
we can use something like
'Apache OpenOffice blog' or
'Apache OpenOffice.org blog'
as a title, noting that this can be renamed at any point.
Sorry for the confusion.
Gav...
>
> > BTW:
> > What will be the URL name?
> >
> > So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
> >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
> >>>
> >>> +1:
> >>>
> >>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
> progress."
> >>
> >> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create
> >> it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that
> >> will be publishers.
> >>
> >> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
> >> should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have
> >> upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita
> >> so we don't do it.)
> >>
> >> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
> >>
> >> Gav...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
> >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
> >>>
> >>> Hi Manfred,
> >>>
> >>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
> >>>
> >>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple
> >>> computer languages, my human language skills are English with a
> >>> little high school German over 30 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> If others know ....
> >>>
> >>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the
> >>>> actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
> >>>
> >>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to
> disseminate.
> >>>
> >>> An announcement should probably include:
> >>>
> >>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
> >>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
> >>> migrated carefully and people can continue as now.
> >>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on
> >>> ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way.
> >>>
> >>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our
> progress.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011
> >>>> 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
> >>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
> >>>
> >>> information."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently
> >>>>>> subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to
> >>>>>> active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be
> >>>>>> one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
> >>>>
> >>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
> >>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Dave
> >
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Rob Weir <ap...@robweir.com>.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or
> keep like it was in the old project.
>
Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark
perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised
to Apache Branding on this.
Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on
the resolution of the exact name?
> BTW:
> What will be the URL name?
>
> So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> +1:
>>>
>>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>>
>> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it,
>> then we
>> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be
>> publishers.
>>
>> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name
>> should be
>> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
>> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>>
>> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>>
>>> Hi Manfred,
>>>
>>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>>
>>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>>> German over 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> If others know ....
>>>
>>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>>
>>> An announcement should probably include:
>>>
>>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be
>>> migrated
>>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/
>>> a
>>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>>
>>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>>
>>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>>>
>>> information."
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>>>
>>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension
or keep like it was in the old project.
BTW:
What will be the URL name?
So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first.
Marcus
Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> +1:
>>
>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>
> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
>
> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>
> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> Hi Manfred,
>>
>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well?
>>
>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer
>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school
>> German over 30 years ago.
>>
>> If others know ....
>>
>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual
>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost.
>>
>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate.
>>
>> An announcement should probably include:
>>
>> - introduce AOOo (incubating)
>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated
>> carefully and people can continue as now.
>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a
>> mention and link to the Apache Way.
>>
>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53
>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher"<da...@comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers?
>>>>> Or is this an admin permission?
>>>>
>>>> On another thread and list I saw this:
>>>>
>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more
>> information."
>>>>
>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed,
>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants,
>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether
>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now.
>>>>
>>>> I have been lurking on users@openoffice.org - there have been
>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I
>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
>>
>> +1:
>>
>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress."
>
> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we
> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers.
>
> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be
> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation
> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.)
>
> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ?
>
> Gav...
+1, sounds more than reasonable to me.
Andy