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Posted to sysadmins@spamassassin.apache.org by "Kevin A. McGrail" <ke...@mcgrail.com> on 2017/06/20 03:32:21 UTC
Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Frank, my friend Joey who is also German wrote back. He has been on
holiday and apologizes for the delay!
He would like to help make sure you are good to go with the project.
I've cc'd him and the other sysadmins on the project.
Because people donate us their mail corpora of both ham & spam, there is
a level of ethics that the LISA/Sage guidelines provide that we need to
move forward.
Since you weren't sure you understood everything in the LISA/Sage ethics
guidelines because it was in English, I've asked my friend, Joey to help.
He will help you make sure you can agree to the LISA/Sage ethics OR any
substantially similar sysadmin ethics guidelines that he approves of in
German.
He wrote some notes below too.
Regards,
KAM
I looked up some Ethics Guides that I adhere to:
ISACA
https://www.isaca.org/Certification/Code-of-Professional-Ethics/Pages/default.aspx
https://www.isaca.org/About-ISACA/History/Deutsch/Documents/ISACA-Code-of-Ethics-German.pdf
and also ISC2' Code of Ethics:
https://www.isc2.org/ethics/default.aspx
A more detailed version if the general principles of ISACA and ISC is
the following:
As I am also a registered Auditor for the German Federal Government I
also adhere to the following Ethics Code:
PDF:
<https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BSI/Zertifizierung/VB-Personen.html;jsessionid=DD0D3FB194CF870753C993A8F9C6DAFD.1_cid351>https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BSI/Zertifizierung/Prog-Personen.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=6
Page 8 / 89 Chapter "2.1.1 Die persönlichen Eigenschaften eines
Auditteamleiters"
If you have him counter-sign the following german PDF:
Prog-Personen-Chapter_2.1.1.-german
then you have as much dude diligence done as I can think of before
entering into a contractual agreement.
NOTE: if you give Joey your phone number, he can phone him about the
attached PDF.
p.s.
If he has by chance an active ISACA or ISC2-title (you get those as an
online PDF) he has also accepted the above Codes of Ethics.
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by Frank Urban <ma...@frank-urban.de>.
Hi Sidney,
Thks for the detailed description.
25 years ago at university I learned C, Assember, Fortran, Cobol, HPUX...
But later I was never a programmer. Today I'm using most time Shell Script
or Perl. I don't nedd more as a SysAdmin
I have no experience wit any version control system and it would be not so
easy create a C program for "Hello World" without help from Google.
Greetings
Frank
2017-06-22 6:26 GMT+02:00 Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com>:
> Frank Urban wrote on 22/06/17 8:35 AM:
> > So "committer" is the allowed access level for a sysadmin?
> > When I translate committer to German and than the translation back to
> > English I will get "offender"
>
> My attempt at dictionary lookup seems to have either "sich verpflichten" or
> "anvertrauen" as the better translation of "commit".
>
> I also looked up some documentation that comes in both English and German
> and
> saw that where the English one talks about committing with svn the German
> version uses "checking in" as in "da du jemanden brauchst, der zum
> einchecken
> berechtigt ist" which could be in English "since you need someone with
> commit
> access".
>
> We use subversion (svn) as our version control system. The svn command to
> check a file change into the system is "svn commit". People on our project
> who
> have the access right to commit files are called "committers". If you are
> going to do sysadmin work on our project you will have to have the ability
> to
> commit files in our svn repository.
>
> I do have a concern that not being familiar with the word "commit"
> indicates
> that you aren't familiar with using svn, as that is the version control
> system
> we use. Do you have experience with using any version control systems?
>
> Sidney
>
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com>.
Frank Urban wrote on 22/06/17 8:35 AM:
> So "committer" is the allowed access level for a sysadmin?
> When I translate committer to German and than the translation back to
> English I will get "offender"
My attempt at dictionary lookup seems to have either "sich verpflichten" or
"anvertrauen" as the better translation of "commit".
I also looked up some documentation that comes in both English and German and
saw that where the English one talks about committing with svn the German
version uses "checking in" as in "da du jemanden brauchst, der zum einchecken
berechtigt ist" which could be in English "since you need someone with commit
access".
We use subversion (svn) as our version control system. The svn command to
check a file change into the system is "svn commit". People on our project who
have the access right to commit files are called "committers". If you are
going to do sysadmin work on our project you will have to have the ability to
commit files in our svn repository.
I do have a concern that not being familiar with the word "commit" indicates
that you aren't familiar with using svn, as that is the version control system
we use. Do you have experience with using any version control systems?
Sidney
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <ke...@mcgrail.com>.
The translation makes sense.
A committer is someone who commits a crime.
In this sense, it's about committing code to revision control systems.
So to admin, you need to commit.
On 6/21/2017 4:35 PM, Frank Urban wrote:
> So "committer" is the allowed access level for a sysadmin?
> When I translate committer to German and than the translation back to
> English I will get "offender"
>
> Am 21.06.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
>> re: Admin v Committer
>>
>> SysAdmins for SpamAssassin use a lot of SVN to store data for the
>> machine administration. Because of this you will have committer
>> access for sysadmin purposes. Does that make sense?
>>
>> Regards,
>> KAM
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by Frank Urban <ma...@frank-urban.de>.
So "committer" is the allowed access level for a sysadmin?
When I translate committer to German and than the translation back to
English I will get "offender"
Am 21.06.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
> re: Admin v Committer
>
> SysAdmins for SpamAssassin use a lot of SVN to store data for the
> machine administration. Because of this you will have committer
> access for sysadmin purposes. Does that make sense?
>
> Regards,
> KAM
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <ke...@mcgrail.com>.
On 6/21/2017 3:26 AM, Frank Urban wrote:
> that's a lot of information now. I'm not sure what kind of job you are
> planning for me. You wrote "Admin" and in a later email "Committer". I
> have no idea what will be the job of a Committer.
> The documents from Jochen seemed to be created for someone who is
> looking for a job for the CIA or FBI :)
> I think I can understand enough from the LISA guidelines to agree to
> them.
> I'm still working as Admin and can access a lot of high secure data.
> So I know what is allowed and what's not.
>
Hi Frank, yes, Joey did a very good job :-) Perhaps too good. But your
answer suffices.
re: Admin v Committer
SysAdmins for SpamAssassin use a lot of SVN to store data for the
machine administration. Because of this you will have committer access
for sysadmin purposes. Does that make sense?
Regards,
KAM
Re: Ethics Guidelines was Fwd: Re: > The machines that run sa-update
stuff are offline at the moment.
Posted by Frank Urban <ma...@frank-urban.de>.
Hi Kevin,
that's a lot of information now. I'm not sure what kind of job you are
planning for me. You wrote "Admin" and in a later email "Committer". I have
no idea what will be the job of a Committer.
The documents from Jochen seemed to be created for someone who is looking
for a job for the CIA or FBI :)
I think I can understand enough from the LISA guidelines to agree to them.
I'm still working as Admin and can access a lot of high secure data. So I
know what is allowed and what's not.
Greetings
Frank
2017-06-20 5:32 GMT+02:00 Kevin A. McGrail <ke...@mcgrail.com>:
> Frank, my friend Joey who is also German wrote back. He has been on
> holiday and apologizes for the delay!
>
> He would like to help make sure you are good to go with the project. I've
> cc'd him and the other sysadmins on the project.
>
> Because people donate us their mail corpora of both ham & spam, there is a
> level of ethics that the LISA/Sage guidelines provide that we need to move
> forward.
>
> Since you weren't sure you understood everything in the LISA/Sage ethics
> guidelines because it was in English, I've asked my friend, Joey to help.
>
> He will help you make sure you can agree to the LISA/Sage ethics OR any
> substantially similar sysadmin ethics guidelines that he approves of in
> German.
>
> He wrote some notes below too.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> KAM
>
>
> I looked up some Ethics Guides that I adhere to:
> ISACA
> https://www.isaca.org/Certification/Code-of-Professional-Ethics/Pages/
> default.aspx
> https://www.isaca.org/About-ISACA/History/Deutsch/Documents/ISACA-Code-of-
> Ethics-German.pdf
>
> and also ISC2' Code of Ethics:
> https://www.isc2.org/ethics/default.aspx
>
>
> A more detailed version if the general principles of ISACA and ISC is the
> following:
>
> As I am also a registered Auditor for the German Federal Government I also
> adhere to the following Ethics Code:
> PDF:
> <https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BSI/Zertifizierung/VB-Personen.html;jsessionid=DD0D3FB194CF870753C993A8F9C6DAFD.1_cid351>
> https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BSI/
> Zertifizierung/Prog-Personen.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=6
> Page 8 / 89 Chapter "2.1.1 Die persönlichen Eigenschaften eines
> Auditteamleiters"
>
> If you have him counter-sign the following german PDF:
> Prog-Personen-Chapter_2.1.1.-german
> then you have as much dude diligence done as I can think of before
> entering into a contractual agreement.
>
> NOTE: if you give Joey your phone number, he can phone him about the
> attached PDF.
>
> p.s.
> If he has by chance an active ISACA or ISC2-title (you get those as an
> online PDF) he has also accepted the above Codes of Ethics.
>