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Posted to dev@trafficserver.apache.org by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> on 2011/12/21 20:02:46 UTC
Fonts on "new" site
Hi all,
first of, congratulations to everyone involved on rolling out the new
sites, and documentation. Well done!
The site looks great on my Mac, but it's not so great on my Fedora based
Linux system. It used to, but not any more. I'm wondering if there's
some improvements we can do to the font selection, such that it works
well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know the
site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just doesn't
look good].
Cheers,
-- Leif
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>.
On 12/21/2011 08:02 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The site looks great on my Mac, but it's not so great on my Fedora based Linux system. It used to, but not any more.
Right. Particularly small letter 'g' looks weird.
Tested both on Chrome and FF on FC14, FC16 and RHEL6.
IE9 renders that pretty good as well as FF 3.6 on Solaris.
Regards
--
^TM
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by zoe slattery <ap...@gmail.com>.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Right-- the old site used
>> font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif
>>
>> I'd think that getting a custom font download from google (ie, the
>> fonts.googleapis.com line) is more likely to cause problems than
>> relying on a CSS fallback mechanisms.
>>
>> I made that modification in http://trafficserver.staging.apache.org/
>> (+modified the download button). Reactions?
> +1 on the download button!
Yes - that's better.
>
> As for the fonts: I find the sans-serif -- at least
> for the docs, not quite fitting. Serifs are far
> easier on the eyes for longer reads.
No strong views either way.
Z
>
>> miles
> i
>
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Igor Galić <i....@brainsware.org>.
----- Original Message -----
> Right-- the old site used
> font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif
>
> I'd think that getting a custom font download from google (ie, the
> fonts.googleapis.com line) is more likely to cause problems than
> relying on a CSS fallback mechanisms.
>
> I made that modification in http://trafficserver.staging.apache.org/
> (+modified the download button). Reactions?
+1 on the download button!
As for the fonts: I find the sans-serif -- at least
for the docs, not quite fitting. Serifs are far
easier on the eyes for longer reads.
> miles
i
--
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Tel: +43 (0) 664 886 22 883
Mail: i.galic@brainsware.org
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Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Miles Libbey <ml...@yahoo.com>.
Right-- the old site used
font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif
I'd think that getting a custom font download from google (ie, the fonts.googleapis.com line) is more likely to cause problems than relying on a CSS fallback mechanisms.
I made that modification in http://trafficserver.staging.apache.org/ (+modified the download button). Reactions?
miles
>________________________________
> From: zoe slattery <ap...@gmail.com>
>To: dev@trafficserver.apache.org
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:02 AM
>Subject: Re: Fonts on "new" site
>
>
>> Why do we need to download special fonts? The original site didn't. I'm guessing that to get back to the original, we'd just remove that fonts.googleapis.com line, and perhaps add a
>> body{font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}
>> to the style section.
>There is no _need_ for any particular font. I read a lot about fonts [1]
>[2], discussed it with Igor and came to view that there was no such
>thing as a best font, it's a matter of aesthetics and what you have at
>the moment is what I (and I think Igor) found to be a pleasing
>combination. It can be changed exactly as you suggest, as far as I
>remember the original site used the sans serif combination throughout.
>
>I have just spent some time looking at the site with various browsers on
>Linux. My perception is that the text is very slightly less clear, but I
>don't think I would have noticed it, it's possible that I am not seeing
>the same problem as others have reported.
>
>Zoë
>
>
>[1]http://alexpoole.info/which-are-more-legible-serif-or-sans-serif-typefaces
>[2]http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/11/04/best-practices-of-combining-typefaces/
>
>>
>> miles
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: zoe slattery<ap...@gmail.com>
>>> To: dev@trafficserver.apache.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Fonts on "new" site
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
>>>> the
>>>> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
>>>> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
>>>> doesn't
>>>> look good].
>>> The font selection is like this:
>>>
>>> font-family: "Droid Serif", Georgia, serif; for the serif fonts, and:
>>> "M+2pheavy","Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; for sans-serif.
>>>
>>> The Droid comes from<link href="http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Droid+Serif:regular,italic,bold" rel="stylesheet"> in index.html (or should anyway) and looking at Igor's sample below that's the one that looks worst. Hmm - maybe not working as I thought.
>>>
>>> I admit that I tested on FF (Mac), IE(7,8,9), Android and probably iPhone but did not look at Opera on Linux. Happily I installed Ubuntu on something earlier this week so now I can.
>>>
>>>> I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
>>>> ALL THE FONTS.
>>>>
>>>> ttf-mscorefonts-installer<< This one, among others.
>>>> Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
>>>>
>>>> http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
>>> Well - might be my eyes or half a bottle of wine but that looks blurry to me :-/ I will look at it over Christmas sometime - I know there are other things to fix on the downloads pages and with the headers. Can't see why Opera/Linux would be bad though...
>>>
>>> Z
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Leif
>>>> i
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by zoe slattery <ap...@gmail.com>.
> Why do we need to download special fonts? The original site didn't. I'm guessing that to get back to the original, we'd just remove that fonts.googleapis.com line, and perhaps add a
> body{font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}
> to the style section.
There is no _need_ for any particular font. I read a lot about fonts [1]
[2], discussed it with Igor and came to view that there was no such
thing as a best font, it's a matter of aesthetics and what you have at
the moment is what I (and I think Igor) found to be a pleasing
combination. It can be changed exactly as you suggest, as far as I
remember the original site used the sans serif combination throughout.
I have just spent some time looking at the site with various browsers on
Linux. My perception is that the text is very slightly less clear, but I
don't think I would have noticed it, it's possible that I am not seeing
the same problem as others have reported.
Zoë
[1]http://alexpoole.info/which-are-more-legible-serif-or-sans-serif-typefaces
[2]http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/11/04/best-practices-of-combining-typefaces/
>
> miles
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: zoe slattery<ap...@gmail.com>
>> To: dev@trafficserver.apache.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fonts on "new" site
>>
>> Hi
>>> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
>>> the
>>> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
>>> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
>>> doesn't
>>> look good].
>> The font selection is like this:
>>
>> font-family: "Droid Serif", Georgia, serif; for the serif fonts, and:
>> "M+2pheavy","Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; for sans-serif.
>>
>> The Droid comes from<link href="http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Droid+Serif:regular,italic,bold" rel="stylesheet"> in index.html (or should anyway) and looking at Igor's sample below that's the one that looks worst. Hmm - maybe not working as I thought.
>>
>> I admit that I tested on FF (Mac), IE(7,8,9), Android and probably iPhone but did not look at Opera on Linux. Happily I installed Ubuntu on something earlier this week so now I can.
>>
>>> I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
>>> ALL THE FONTS.
>>>
>>> ttf-mscorefonts-installer<< This one, among others.
>>> Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
>>>
>>> http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
>> Well - might be my eyes or half a bottle of wine but that looks blurry to me :-/ I will look at it over Christmas sometime - I know there are other things to fix on the downloads pages and with the headers. Can't see why Opera/Linux would be bad though...
>>
>> Z
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> -- Leif
>>> i
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Miles Libbey <ml...@apache.org>.
Why do we need to download special fonts? The original site didn't. I'm guessing that to get back to the original, we'd just remove that fonts.googleapis.com line, and perhaps add a
body{font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}
to the style section.
miles
>________________________________
> From: zoe slattery <ap...@gmail.com>
>To: dev@trafficserver.apache.org
>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Fonts on "new" site
>
>Hi
>> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
>> the
>> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
>> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
>> doesn't
>> look good].
>The font selection is like this:
>
>font-family: "Droid Serif", Georgia, serif; for the serif fonts, and:
>"M+2pheavy","Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; for sans-serif.
>
>The Droid comes from <link href="http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Droid+Serif:regular,italic,bold" rel="stylesheet"> in index.html (or should anyway) and looking at Igor's sample below that's the one that looks worst. Hmm - maybe not working as I thought.
>
>I admit that I tested on FF (Mac), IE(7,8,9), Android and probably iPhone but did not look at Opera on Linux. Happily I installed Ubuntu on something earlier this week so now I can.
>
>> I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
>> ALL THE FONTS.
>>
>> ttf-mscorefonts-installer<< This one, among others.
>> Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
>>
>> http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
>Well - might be my eyes or half a bottle of wine but that looks blurry to me :-/ I will look at it over Christmas sometime - I know there are other things to fix on the downloads pages and with the headers. Can't see why Opera/Linux would be bad though...
>
>Z
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -- Leif
>> i
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by zoe slattery <ap...@gmail.com>.
Hi
> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
> the
> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
> doesn't
> look good].
The font selection is like this:
font-family: "Droid Serif", Georgia, serif; for the serif fonts, and:
"M+2pheavy","Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; for sans-serif.
The Droid comes from <link
href="http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Droid+Serif:regular,italic,bold"
rel="stylesheet"> in index.html (or should anyway) and looking at Igor's
sample below that's the one that looks worst. Hmm - maybe not working as
I thought.
I admit that I tested on FF (Mac), IE(7,8,9), Android and probably
iPhone but did not look at Opera on Linux. Happily I installed Ubuntu on
something earlier this week so now I can.
> I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
> ALL THE FONTS.
>
> ttf-mscorefonts-installer<< This one, among others.
> Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
>
> http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
Well - might be my eyes or half a bottle of wine but that looks blurry
to me :-/ I will look at it over Christmas sometime - I know there are
other things to fix on the downloads pages and with the headers. Can't
see why Opera/Linux would be bad though...
Z
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -- Leif
> i
>
>
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Bryan Call <bc...@yahoo-inc.com>.
I know you guys did a lot of work on the docs and it is much appreciated!
I did see some broken links to the doxygen:
http://trafficserver.apache.org/docs/trunk/sdk/http-headers/link/to/doxygen
I used the link checker at w3c and found a few more:
http://validator.w3.org/checklink
-Bryan
On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Igor Galić wrote:
>
> Putting Zoë on CC, who did a great deal of the new CSS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Hi all,
>>
>> first of, congratulations to everyone involved on rolling out the new
>> sites, and documentation. Well done!
>>
>> The site looks great on my Mac, but it's not so great on my Fedora
>> based
>> Linux system. It used to, but not any more. I'm wondering if there's
>> some improvements we can do to the font selection, such that it works
>> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
>> the
>> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
>> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
>> doesn't
>> look good].
>
> I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
> ALL THE FONTS.
>
> ttf-mscorefonts-installer << This one, among others.
>
> Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
>
> http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -- Leif
>
>
> i
>
>
> --
> Igor Galić
>
> Tel: +43 (0) 664 886 22 883
> Mail: i.galic@brainsware.org
> URL: http://brainsware.org/
> GPG: 6880 4155 74BD FD7C B515 2EA5 4B1D 9E08 A097 C9AE
Re: Fonts on "new" site
Posted by Igor Galić <i....@brainsware.org>.
Putting Zoë on CC, who did a great deal of the new CSS
----- Original Message -----
> Hi all,
>
> first of, congratulations to everyone involved on rolling out the new
> sites, and documentation. Well done!
>
> The site looks great on my Mac, but it's not so great on my Fedora
> based
> Linux system. It used to, but not any more. I'm wondering if there's
> some improvements we can do to the font selection, such that it works
> well on all three "common" platforms? Windows, Mac and Linux? I know
> the
> site used to look ok on Linux, so it must be possible :). [Fwiw, the
> font on my Linux looks tiny, are very blurry, and generally just
> doesn't
> look good].
I think it looks fairly well on my ubuntu, but I have installed
ALL THE FONTS.
ttf-mscorefonts-installer << This one, among others.
Here's how it looks for me (in Opera):
http://blag.esotericsystems.at/igor/sees/ats-on-linux
> Cheers,
>
> -- Leif
i
--
Igor Galić
Tel: +43 (0) 664 886 22 883
Mail: i.galic@brainsware.org
URL: http://brainsware.org/
GPG: 6880 4155 74BD FD7C B515 2EA5 4B1D 9E08 A097 C9AE