The Future of Tomcat

[Roel De Nijs <ro...@aquafin.be>]

Hi,
 
I heard that resources, updates, development and support of tomcat are slightly disappearing. MAny people are looking for alternatives (e.g. JBoss). Even Microsoft and HP are cooperating with JBoss very closely. As far as i know Tomcat is the most used app server, so it will take lots of time to replace every Tomcat app server with some alternative.
 
So does Tomcat have a future or will it die in the future?
 
Greetz
Roel 


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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[David Kerber <dc...@verizon.net>]

Tim Funk wrote:

> Sweet sweet flame fodder. Tomcat is as alive as the community of 
> developers that are willing to work on it (like any open source project).


I guess you could consider it flame fuel, but it's also a legitimate 
question, IMO.  Your answer below looks good to me.

>
> Tomcat did take a hit with respect to Sun moving resources to 
> Glassfish. But in general, servlet containers are fairly "mature" and 
> boring and somewhat stable. Its the stuff in application space which 
> is where things are interesting. (Portlets, web services, and any 
> other marketroid buzzwords).
>
> Tomcat is used in JBoss and the rep for Tomcat (who still does most of 
> the code changes to this point) to the Apache foundation is a JBOSS 
> employee. (Which could be good, bad, or neither depending on your 
> financial interests of your particular employer).
>
> The current base is being tweaked to support the servlet 2.4 servlet 
> spec/2.1 JSP spec. So from a near future point of view - things look OK.
>
> Tomcat will die when a better alternative is available and a critical 
> mass move to it and stop working / using Tomcat.
>
> -Tim
>
> Roel De Nijs wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I heard that resources, updates, development and support of tomcat 
>> are slightly disappearing. MAny people are looking for alternatives 
>> (e.g. JBoss). Even Microsoft and HP are cooperating with JBoss very 
>> closely. As far as i know Tomcat is the most used app server, so it 
>> will take lots of time to replace every Tomcat app server with some 
>> alternative.
>>  
>> So does Tomcat have a future or will it die in the future?
>
>
>
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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[Tim Funk <fu...@joedog.org>]

Sweet sweet flame fodder. Tomcat is as alive as the community of developers 
that are willing to work on it (like any open source project).

Tomcat did take a hit with respect to Sun moving resources to Glassfish. But 
in general, servlet containers are fairly "mature" and boring and somewhat 
stable. Its the stuff in application space which is where things are 
interesting. (Portlets, web services, and any other marketroid buzzwords).

Tomcat is used in JBoss and the rep for Tomcat (who still does most of the 
code changes to this point) to the Apache foundation is a JBOSS employee. 
(Which could be good, bad, or neither depending on your financial interests 
of your particular employer).

The current base is being tweaked to support the servlet 2.4 servlet spec/2.1 
JSP spec. So from a near future point of view - things look OK.

Tomcat will die when a better alternative is available and a critical mass 
move to it and stop working / using Tomcat.

-Tim

Roel De Nijs wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I heard that resources, updates, development and support of tomcat are slightly disappearing. MAny people are looking for alternatives (e.g. JBoss). Even Microsoft and HP are cooperating with JBoss very closely. As far as i know Tomcat is the most used app server, so it will take lots of time to replace every Tomcat app server with some alternative.
>  
> So does Tomcat have a future or will it die in the future?


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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[Leon Rosenberg <ro...@googlemail.com>]

> True, but the HTTP server is still what most people think of when they
> hear the name "Apache".

Probably same people, that think of Applets or Javascript when they
hear the word "Java"?

>
> Dave

Leon :-)

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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[David Kerber <dc...@verizon.net>]

Tim Funk wrote:

> Apache is a legal entity which is composed of many developers who work 
> on a variety of software projects in a variety of programming 
> languages. Some projects are related to one another, others are not.
>
> Apache != httpd. httpd was the first Apache project.

True, but the HTTP server is still what most people think of when they 
hear the name "Apache".

Dave



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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[Tim Funk <fu...@joedog.org>]

Apache is a legal entity which is composed of many developers who work on a 
variety of software projects in a variety of programming languages. Some 
projects are related to one another, others are not.

Apache != httpd. httpd was the first Apache project.

-Tim

David Kerber wrote:

> Apache and Tomcat:  Tomcat can do all the stuff that Apache can in 
> serving up static pages, but it's not the best tool for that job.  
> Apache does a subset of what Tomcat does, and Tomcat does a subset of 
> what JBoss does.  Somebody please correct me if I'm off base here, 
> because it also affects my company's future decisions.


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Re: The Future of Tomcat

[David Kerber <dc...@verizon.net>]

Roel De Nijs wrote:

>Hi,
> 
>I heard that resources, updates, development and support of tomcat are slightly disappearing. MAny people are looking for alternatives (e.g. JBoss). Even Microsoft and HP are cooperating with JBoss very closely. As far as i know Tomcat is the most used app server, so it will take lots of time to replace every Tomcat app server with some alternative.
> 
>So does Tomcat have a future or will it die in the future?
>  
>

If I understand correctly, Tomcat and JBoss aren't really equivalent, 
and don't aim at the same markets.  Tomcat is a servlet container, 
handling servlets, .jsp's and related pieces.  JBoss is a full-blown 
J2EE server, which does the same things as tomcat, but also adds support 
for the "Enterprice" pieces of J2EE, such as EJB's and the like.  The 
price you pay for that extra functionality is extra complexity in 
development and maintenance.  It's kind of like the relationship between 
Apache and Tomcat:  Tomcat can do all the stuff that Apache can in 
serving up static pages, but it's not the best tool for that job.  
Apache does a subset of what Tomcat does, and Tomcat does a subset of 
what JBoss does.  Somebody please correct me if I'm off base here, 
because it also affects my company's future decisions.

That said, everything dies eventually, so you have to decide how far 
away your definition of "future" is, and go from there.  I expect Tomcat 
will continue to be developed and useful for *at least* 5 more years.  
JMPO, of course.

Dave



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