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Posted to community@apache.org by Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> on 2003/08/26 13:00:34 UTC

Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announcements@jakarta.apache.org]

As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update
them.

	Regards
		Henning


On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote:
> As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
> through your announcement...
> 
> If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it
> may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :)
> 
> david
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>
> To: <co...@apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
> [Fwd:Returnedpost for announcements@jakarta.apache.org]
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote:
> > > Any reason why you didn't send it to announce@apache.org?
> >
> > Because I looked at
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement
> >
> > and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right
> > address for jakarta announcements.
> >
> > I did BTW sent it to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org with Subject [NEWS],
> > too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got
> > lost there, too.
> >
> > Regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
> > >
> > > david
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>
> > > To: <co...@apache.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM
> > > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:
> Returnedpost
> > > for announcements@jakarta.apache.org]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the
> > > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by
> the
> > > > mailing list program. :-(
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Henning
> > >
> > >
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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:32:07 +0100
Thom May <th...@planetarytramp.net> wrote:

> Any ASF member can commit to the main www.apache.org website.

Aha, this explained enough. -- member -- oh, that's right.

Thanks for the explanation.

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)

P.S. Then, I can not figure out the raison d'^etre of
incubator project ... see the top page of this project:
"Since the Incubator project is one of the primary gateways into
Apache involvement, a lot of the documentation about the structural
and philosophical details of the Foundation will probably be
prototyped and developed right here."
... Sure, this is *NOT* related to me, by the way ;-)

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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Thom May <th...@planetarytramp.net>.

* Tetsuya Kitahata (tetsuya@apache.org) wrote :
> 
> > > I nearly agree. One thing: David's suggestion would be related
> > > to the "***-site" issues that occured in infra mailing list?
> > 
> > Erm, what issues?
> 
> ... "Subject: proposal: $project-site groups for changing www content"
> 
No, the two things are totally unrelated.

> > > P.S. Can community@ mailinglist accept [PATCH] mails? One of the
> > > replacements of infra mailing list? ... or ... do we need a talk
> > > about "DOCUMENTATION" TLP?  .... not sure.
> > Replacement for the infra mailing list???? Sorry, you've totally lost me
> > now...
> 
> I am not sure who are responsible to the management of /www/www.....
> directory (minotaur/daedalus), I mean http://www.apache.org/ website,
> however, I guess Infrastructure Team is in charge of it for now...
> (Right??)
>
Any ASF member can commit to the main www.apache.org website.
If you need to submit patches, i'd suggest using the infrastructure list.
I still don't understand what you were talking about when you said
"replacements of infra mailing list".
-Thom

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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:16:52 +0100
(Subject: Re: Make use of announce@)
"David Reid" <da...@jetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> > I nearly agree. One thing: David's suggestion would be related
> > to the "***-site" issues that occured in infra mailing list?
> 
> Erm, what issues?

... "Subject: proposal: $project-site groups for changing www content"

> > P.S. Can community@ mailinglist accept [PATCH] mails? One of the
> > replacements of infra mailing list? ... or ... do we need a talk
> > about "DOCUMENTATION" TLP?  .... not sure.
> Replacement for the infra mailing list???? Sorry, you've totally lost me
> now...

I am not sure who are responsible to the management of /www/www.....
directory (minotaur/daedalus), I mean http://www.apache.org/ website,
however, I guess Infrastructure Team is in charge of it for now...
(Right??)

So, I said "community@ mailinglist accept [PATCH] mails?"

Documents in http://www.apache.org/ are under control of InfraTeam
or Board, I guess.
# Help needed.

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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by David Reid <da...@jetnet.co.uk>.

> I nearly agree. One thing: David's suggestion would be related
> to the "***-site" issues that occured in infra mailing list?

Erm, what issues?

> As you know (and I KNOW), there are many people who tend *not* to
> create wiki pages as well as those not to make patches on xdocs :-)
>
> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
> P.S. Can community@ mailinglist accept [PATCH] mails? One of the
> replacements of infra mailing list? ... or ... do we need a talk
> about "DOCUMENTATION" TLP?  .... not sure.

Replacement for the infra mailing list???? Sorry, you've totally lost me
now...

david


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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

I nearly agree. One thing: David's suggestion would be related
to the "***-site" issues that occured in infra mailing list?

As you know (and I KNOW), there are many people who tend *not* to
create wiki pages as well as those not to make patches on xdocs :-)

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)

P.S. Can community@ mailinglist accept [PATCH] mails? One of the
replacements of infra mailing list? ... or ... do we need a talk
about "DOCUMENTATION" TLP?  .... not sure.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:23:05 +0100
(Subject: Re: Make use of announce@)
Thom May <th...@planetarytramp.net> wrote:

> * David Reid (david@jetnet.co.uk) wrote :
> > For the record I don't think it shouldn't be a wiki page, but a page
> > somewhere in the ASF site as it's an informational page. If there are
> > inaccuracies or problems then they should be addressed via the author and
> > this forum, not via wiki :)
> > 
> +1.
> -Thom


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Re: EU Patent vote postponed..

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

Danny, ALL

I am glad to hear that. I hasten to express contratulations.

When all the websites in apache.org will rewind as before?

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)

P.S. Danny, please use "NEW POST" button or something equivalent to it,
instead.
I can recall my first post to "jakarta-james" (July 2002) mailing list
and I clearly remember that your reply was titled "spam...." :-)

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:45:15 +0100
(Subject: EU Patent vote postponed..)
"Danny Angus" <da...@apache.org> wrote:

> Looking at our splash page (and noting the date!) I wondered what had
> happened y'day.. the vote was postponed.
> 
> http://www.itworld.com/Man/2687/030901parliament/
> 
> Although this article doesn't cite any reason for the delay I have read
> postings that suggest it may be headed back to comittee, and thefore be
> amended, before returning to the plenary session, probably before Christmas,
> but you know what politicians and civil servants are like, could be
> whenever.
> 
> d.


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EU Patent vote postponed..

Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.

Looking at our splash page (and noting the date!) I wondered what had
happened y'day.. the vote was postponed.

http://www.itworld.com/Man/2687/030901parliament/

Although this article doesn't cite any reason for the delay I have read
postings that suggest it may be headed back to comittee, and thefore be
amended, before returning to the plenary session, probably before Christmas,
but you know what politicians and civil servants are like, could be
whenever.

d.


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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Thom May <th...@planetarytramp.net>.

* David Reid (david@jetnet.co.uk) wrote :
> For the record I don't think it shouldn't be a wiki page, but a page
> somewhere in the ASF site as it's an informational page. If there are
> inaccuracies or problems then they should be addressed via the author and
> this forum, not via wiki :)
> 
+1.
-Thom

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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by David Reid <da...@jetnet.co.uk>.

For the record I don't think it shouldn't be a wiki page, but a page
somewhere in the ASF site as it's an informational page. If there are
inaccuracies or problems then they should be addressed via the author and
this forum, not via wiki :)

david
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org>
To: <co...@apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Make use of announce@


>
> Nice, +1 :-)
>
> It seems that Noel is full of beans with enthusiasm about
> making Apachewiki more substantial, so I hope we can collaborate
> on this project :-) to make for it.
>
> And ... Henning? please please??
>
> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:48:57 +0100
> "David Reid" <da...@jetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Then perhaps the best solution is for you (or someone else) to write a
> > simple, clear web page detailing all the channels that are typically
used to
> > announce projects. Perhaps also including some summary of the ideas and
> > concerns raised in this thread would be appropriate?
> >
> > david
>
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Re: Make use of announce@

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

Nice, +1 :-)

It seems that Noel is full of beans with enthusiasm about
making Apachewiki more substantial, so I hope we can collaborate
on this project :-) to make for it.

And ... Henning? please please??

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)


On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:48:57 +0100
"David Reid" <da...@jetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Then perhaps the best solution is for you (or someone else) to write a
> simple, clear web page detailing all the channels that are typically used to
> announce projects. Perhaps also including some summary of the ideas and
> concerns raised in this thread would be appropriate?
> 
> david

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Re: Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org)

Posted by David Reid <da...@jetnet.co.uk>.

Then perhaps the best solution is for you (or someone else) to write a
simple, clear web page detailing all the channels that are typically used to
announce projects. Perhaps also including some summary of the ideas and
concerns raised in this thread would be appropriate?

david

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org>
To: <co...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from
announcements@jakarta.apache.org)


>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT)
> Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each
> > > announce(ments)@<tlp>.apache.org mailing lists to forward to
> > > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!?
> > Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message
to
> > let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a
> > configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to.  But even
> > then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an
> > anti-mail-loop mechanism).
>
> I see. Thank you for the explanation. From my point of view, it is
> reasonable and understandable. I was also anxious about the mail-loop,
> (As I mentioned here in community@) and I think "CC to announce@" would
> be reasonable.
>
> However, I think that jakarta/xml and related (graduated) projects
> did not make use of that mailing list before. I think many (most)
> of the committers in jakarta/xml etc. do not know whether they
> *can* ( = are allowed to ) make use of it or not .... each PMC issue!?
>
> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
>
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Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org)

Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT)
Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each
> > announce(ments)@<tlp>.apache.org mailing lists to forward to
> > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!?
> Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to
> let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a
> configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to.  But even
> then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an
> anti-mail-loop mechanism).

I see. Thank you for the explanation. From my point of view, it is
reasonable and understandable. I was also anxious about the mail-loop,
(As I mentioned here in community@) and I think "CC to announce@" would
be reasonable.

However, I think that jakarta/xml and related (graduated) projects
did not make use of that mailing list before. I think many (most)
of the committers in jakarta/xml etc. do not know whether they
*can* ( = are allowed to ) make use of it or not .... each PMC issue!?

-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)

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