Re: Hi everyone,

[Shawn Bayern <ba...@essentially.net>]

Kevin,

I can't speak for the group as a whole, but tags like HTML form elements
seem controversial and difficult to get right, and I'd thus personally be
surprised if they ended up in JSPTL 1.0.  The JavaServer Faces (JSR-127)
JSR calls for a tag library in support of "graphical" elements; see

    http://www.jcp.org/jsr/detail/127.jsp

for more information about JSF.

Shawn

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Kevin Duffey wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Not sure if I posted this yet, but I am wondering if there is any
> standard form taglibs being worked on that will be part of the JSR-052
> standard? Ideally it should handle field validation on the server with
> an optional ability to provide javascript client-side validation
> (although I personally am moving away from that because of the
> nightmare of browser compatibility problems I have seen from MSIE/NS 3
> to the latest). As a MVC framework developer, I would love to avoid
> having to write my own taglibs and utilize a standard set..although I
> am not sure at this point how a standard set of form taglibs will
> properly interface with my framework giving developers using my
> framework the ease of simply dropping in taglibs and having it handled
> by my framework directly. I am hoping by using a Standard set, I can
> work some magic in the framework itself.
> 
> Thanks.

RE: Hi everyone,

[Borislav Iordanov <bo...@speakeasy.net>]

Hi guys,

Does anybody have more info on what this JavaServer Faces technology is? As
I understand, it was presented at JavaOne... does anybody know more what
kinds of "graphical" elements, besides form input fields, will be supported?

Thanks,
Borislav

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Bayern [mailto:bayern@essentially.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:23 PM
To: taglibs-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: Hi everyone,


Kevin,

I can't speak for the group as a whole, but tags like HTML form elements
seem controversial and difficult to get right, and I'd thus personally be
surprised if they ended up in JSPTL 1.0.  The JavaServer Faces (JSR-127)
JSR calls for a tag library in support of "graphical" elements; see

    http://www.jcp.org/jsr/detail/127.jsp

for more information about JSF.

Shawn

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Kevin Duffey wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Not sure if I posted this yet, but I am wondering if there is any
> standard form taglibs being worked on that will be part of the JSR-052
> standard? Ideally it should handle field validation on the server with
> an optional ability to provide javascript client-side validation
> (although I personally am moving away from that because of the
> nightmare of browser compatibility problems I have seen from MSIE/NS 3
> to the latest). As a MVC framework developer, I would love to avoid
> having to write my own taglibs and utilize a standard set..although I
> am not sure at this point how a standard set of form taglibs will
> properly interface with my framework giving developers using my
> framework the ease of simply dropping in taglibs and having it handled
> by my framework directly. I am hoping by using a Standard set, I can
> work some magic in the framework itself.
>
> Thanks.

RE: Hi everyone,

[Kevin Duffey <ke...@home.com>]

Thanks for the reply Shawn. I agree with what your saying in that it might
be a little difficult initially. However, I think it would be beneficial to
come up with at least some sort of standard interface for form input
taglibs. Maybe base it off of Struts, although I just read an email from  a
developer that some guy wrote a MVC framework independent taglib for form
elements including client-side and server-side validation routines. I will
check these out, but being that a big part of J2EE is web sites using JSP
and forms, it would make sense to standardize upon a common taglib API for
forms. I haven't much looked at the Java Faces, and from what I have heard
from others it might be a nice way to build applets/Swing applications AND
JSP pages via one IDE using one set of JavaBean componenets or something to
that extent.

I have to say..the one thing I am most disappointed in is the lack of
javabean and taglib supporting IDE's to rapidly build web pages with JSP!!
It seems DreamWeaver and others allow quick GUI/RAD built HTML pages,
ColdFusion supports its own, but I have yet to see an IDE that really allows
one to drag and drop JavaBeans and TagLibs onto a page, pops up a property
editor, and otherwise quickly develop JSP pages. I sold our CTO on the idea
a long time ago that we would soon be able to do this, and it still doesn't
seem to be showing up in IDE's. I could be wrong..I haven't checked out the
very latest versions. I know I tried WebGain when it first came out and it
sucked for developing JSP pages. The fact that you had to have VisualCafe
AND DreamWeaver open at the same time for JSP pages, and it didn't even
support drag/drop of javabeans and taglibs despite the fact that the Sales
guy said it did, was most disappointing for me.

Any idea of IDE's that do actually support this feature? I sure would love
to get us a web page developer that doesn't have to deal with java code on
the page.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Bayern [mailto:bayern@essentially.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:23 PM
> To: taglibs-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Hi everyone,
>
>
> Kevin,
>
> I can't speak for the group as a whole, but tags like HTML form elements
> seem controversial and difficult to get right, and I'd thus personally be
> surprised if they ended up in JSPTL 1.0.  The JavaServer Faces (JSR-127)
> JSR calls for a tag library in support of "graphical" elements; see
>
>     http://www.jcp.org/jsr/detail/127.jsp
>
> for more information about JSF.
>
> Shawn
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Kevin Duffey wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Not sure if I posted this yet, but I am wondering if there is any
> > standard form taglibs being worked on that will be part of the JSR-052
> > standard? Ideally it should handle field validation on the server with
> > an optional ability to provide javascript client-side validation
> > (although I personally am moving away from that because of the
> > nightmare of browser compatibility problems I have seen from MSIE/NS 3
> > to the latest). As a MVC framework developer, I would love to avoid
> > having to write my own taglibs and utilize a standard set..although I
> > am not sure at this point how a standard set of form taglibs will
> > properly interface with my framework giving developers using my
> > framework the ease of simply dropping in taglibs and having it handled
> > by my framework directly. I am hoping by using a Standard set, I can
> > work some magic in the framework itself.
> >
> > Thanks.
>