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Posted to dev@royale.apache.org by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> on 2020/12/03 21:56:11 UTC
Flash Player EOL and Royale
What does the EOL mean to Royale?
Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework. Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just the Flash browser plugin?
Harbs
AW: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
As this statement says that “All downloads for FlashPlayer will be removed” I think we’ll lose the ability to build “with-swf” with Maven on new machines (Ones that haven’t downloaded the Flashplayer till then).
Perhaps we could ask Adobe if we could publish the playerglobal.swc/swf once and then perhaps adjust the build to use this fixed version.
Chris
Von: Edward Stangler <es...@bradmark.com>
Datum: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2020 um 11:11
An: dev@royale.apache.org <de...@royale.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
They will remove all downloads after 2020:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html
There is a way for enterprise users and developers to enable Flash
Player (in browser) beyond 2020 (it's just unsupported):
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/enterprise-end-of-life.html
https://community.adobe.com/t5/flash-player/adobe-flash-player-end-of-life-past-dec-31-2020-how-is-blocking-of-flash-content-enforced/td-p/11184441?page=1
I can't imagine how they would block standalone Flash Player / Flash
Debug Player (especially older versions) if you disconnect your network
cable. Or cover it with tin foil.
On 12/3/2020 4:24 PM, Josh Tynjala wrote:
> I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
>
> If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
> downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things down.
> I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
> playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a lot
> of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
> best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
> suddenly one day without warning.
>
> --
> Josh Tynjala
> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs wrote:
>
>> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
>>
>> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework.
>> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
>>
>> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
>> the Flash browser plugin?
>>
>> Harbs
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Edward Stangler <es...@bradmark.com>.
They will remove all downloads after 2020:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html
There is a way for enterprise users and developers to enable Flash
Player (in browser) beyond 2020 (it's just unsupported):
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/enterprise-end-of-life.html
https://community.adobe.com/t5/flash-player/adobe-flash-player-end-of-life-past-dec-31-2020-how-is-blocking-of-flash-content-enforced/td-p/11184441?page=1
I can't imagine how they would block standalone Flash Player / Flash
Debug Player (especially older versions) if you disconnect your network
cable. Or cover it with tin foil.
On 12/3/2020 4:24 PM, Josh Tynjala wrote:
> I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
>
> If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
> downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things down.
> I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
> playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a lot
> of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
> best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
> suddenly one day without warning.
>
> --
> Josh Tynjala
> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs wrote:
>
>> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
>>
>> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework.
>> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
>>
>> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
>> the Flash browser plugin?
>>
>> Harbs
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>.
Indeed Carlos,
It's very important to choose an open source framework for the client side.
For the server side it's also a better choice, however if you don't have
any more updates it's protected in a black box environment.
On the client side it always depends on the user OS, browser, etc .. that
we don't control.
A community framework it's not dependent on a company's decisions and being
open source allows perpetual the framework support (of course that this
depends on the community).
Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> escreveu no dia sexta, 4/12/2020
à(s) 10:02:
> Hi,
>
> That's one of the biggest points for Royale and Apache. Since companies
> must choose their own way and that's normal, communities must take their
> own too and that can only be done vía Open Source.
>
> El vie, 4 dic 2020 a las 10:43, Hugo Ferreira (<hf...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
> > As we don't rely on FP anymore, don't affect us directly.
> > The only issue is that it's more difficult to create a generic framework
> > since we support JS and SWF.
> > For another hand I have the feeling that no one or few people are using
> > Royale for SWF as many features are not implemented.
> >
> > About FP is constantly being removed on computers, this also happens with
> > other technologies that are discontinued.
> > For example .NET 2 is constantly removed on every single Windows update.
> >
> > Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 4/12/2020 à(s)
> 09:24:
> >
> > > Yeah. I’m not happy with the trend that everyone seems to believe they
> > own
> > > my computer… :-(
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Christofer Dutz <
> > christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It’s also really strange how the FlashPlayer is constantly begging me
> > to
> > > uninstall him on my Mac :-)
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes it feels like he’s a bit desperate … I keep torturing him
> by
> > > keeping him on it ;.)
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Von: Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>
> > > > Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 23:23
> > > > An: Apache Royale Development <de...@royale.apache.org>
> > > > Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
> > > > I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> > > > standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly
> recommend
> > > > downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things
> > > down.
> > > > I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions
> of
> > > > playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> > > > content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are
> a
> > > lot
> > > > of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days.
> It's
> > > > best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash
> content
> > > > suddenly one day without warning.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Josh Tynjala
> > > > Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
> > > >>
> > > >> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the
> > > framework.
> > > >> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something
> > else?
> > > >>
> > > >> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this
> > just
> > > >> the Flash browser plugin?
> > > >>
> > > >> Harbs
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
> *Apache Software Foundation*
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi,
That's one of the biggest points for Royale and Apache. Since companies
must choose their own way and that's normal, communities must take their
own too and that can only be done vía Open Source.
El vie, 4 dic 2020 a las 10:43, Hugo Ferreira (<hf...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> As we don't rely on FP anymore, don't affect us directly.
> The only issue is that it's more difficult to create a generic framework
> since we support JS and SWF.
> For another hand I have the feeling that no one or few people are using
> Royale for SWF as many features are not implemented.
>
> About FP is constantly being removed on computers, this also happens with
> other technologies that are discontinued.
> For example .NET 2 is constantly removed on every single Windows update.
>
> Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 4/12/2020 à(s) 09:24:
>
> > Yeah. I’m not happy with the trend that everyone seems to believe they
> own
> > my computer… :-(
> >
> > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It’s also really strange how the FlashPlayer is constantly begging me
> to
> > uninstall him on my Mac :-)
> > >
> > > Sometimes it feels like he’s a bit desperate … I keep torturing him by
> > keeping him on it ;.)
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > Von: Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>
> > > Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 23:23
> > > An: Apache Royale Development <de...@royale.apache.org>
> > > Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
> > > I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> > > standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
> > >
> > > If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
> > > downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things
> > down.
> > > I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
> > > playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> > > content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a
> > lot
> > > of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
> > > best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
> > > suddenly one day without warning.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Josh Tynjala
> > > Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
> > >>
> > >> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the
> > framework.
> > >> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something
> else?
> > >>
> > >> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this
> just
> > >> the Flash browser plugin?
> > >>
> > >> Harbs
> >
> >
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
*Apache Software Foundation*
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>.
As we don't rely on FP anymore, don't affect us directly.
The only issue is that it's more difficult to create a generic framework
since we support JS and SWF.
For another hand I have the feeling that no one or few people are using
Royale for SWF as many features are not implemented.
About FP is constantly being removed on computers, this also happens with
other technologies that are discontinued.
For example .NET 2 is constantly removed on every single Windows update.
Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 4/12/2020 à(s) 09:24:
> Yeah. I’m not happy with the trend that everyone seems to believe they own
> my computer… :-(
>
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > It’s also really strange how the FlashPlayer is constantly begging me to
> uninstall him on my Mac :-)
> >
> > Sometimes it feels like he’s a bit desperate … I keep torturing him by
> keeping him on it ;.)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Von: Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>
> > Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 23:23
> > An: Apache Royale Development <de...@royale.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
> > I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> > standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
> >
> > If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
> > downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things
> down.
> > I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
> > playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> > content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a
> lot
> > of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
> > best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
> > suddenly one day without warning.
> >
> > --
> > Josh Tynjala
> > Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
> >>
> >> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the
> framework.
> >> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
> >>
> >> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
> >> the Flash browser plugin?
> >>
> >> Harbs
>
>
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Yeah. I’m not happy with the trend that everyone seems to believe they own my computer… :-(
> On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> It’s also really strange how the FlashPlayer is constantly begging me to uninstall him on my Mac :-)
>
> Sometimes it feels like he’s a bit desperate … I keep torturing him by keeping him on it ;.)
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>
> Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 23:23
> An: Apache Royale Development <de...@royale.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
> I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
> standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
>
> If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
> downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things down.
> I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
> playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
> content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a lot
> of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
> best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
> suddenly one day without warning.
>
> --
> Josh Tynjala
> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
>>
>> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework.
>> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
>>
>> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
>> the Flash browser plugin?
>>
>> Harbs
AW: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
It’s also really strange how the FlashPlayer is constantly begging me to uninstall him on my Mac :-)
Sometimes it feels like he’s a bit desperate … I keep torturing him by keeping him on it ;.)
Chris
Von: Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 23:23
An: Apache Royale Development <de...@royale.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things down.
I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a lot
of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
suddenly one day without warning.
--
Josh Tynjala
Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
>
> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework.
> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
>
> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
> the Flash browser plugin?
>
> Harbs
Re: Flash Player EOL and Royale
Posted by Josh Tynjala <jo...@bowlerhat.dev>.
I have only heard that the browser plugin will stop working, so the
standalone executable should still work, if you have it already.
If anyone needs the standalone debugger executable, I highly recommend
downloading it immediately, just in case Adobe decides to take things down.
I recently discovered that they already took down most old versions of
playerglobal.swc (except version 32) and most of their Flash/Flex/AIR
content has been moved to a special archive download page. There are a lot
of 404s for old Flash-related pages on Adobe's website these days. It's
best to assume that they will remove all of the remaining Flash content
suddenly one day without warning.
--
Josh Tynjala
Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev>
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does the EOL mean to Royale?
>
> Specifically, we rely on Flash to run tests when compiling the framework.
> Is it only the tests which will be a problem or is there something else?
>
> Is the Flash Player Debugger also going to stop working or is this just
> the Flash browser plugin?
>
> Harbs