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Maven users in the industry
Hi,
Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
Thanks for your help.
Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Niels Gylling <ng...@it-practice.dk>.
Or you could quote my customer:
A Danish banking IT services central with 160+ smaller banks within the
Nordic region.
They have been using Maven 1 for several years and recently switched to
Maven 2.
The applications cover Internet and intranet applications with well over
600 artifacts and 28 custom plugins.
The main reasons behind using m1 in the first place was uniform
projects, central repository and dependency management.
Switching to m2 was done to use a 'supported' tool (that is, stuff
happening here), faster build cycle (no scripts!) even more simple
dependency management and better reporting facilities.
Debugging our custom plugins proved invaluable, and saved quite a lot of
time compared to the old jelly scripts of the m1 days.
/Niels
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Jerome Lacoste <je...@gmail.com>.
On 4/11/07, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
You should ask the BeJUG. I am sure they can give you some numbers.
I remember seeing more than 30 persons on a talk on maven &
cruisecontrol last year. Most if not all of them were already using
maven.
Jerome
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Patrick Schneider <ps...@gmail.com>.
You can also look on the Team List page (
http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html) -- it lists the Organization that
each of the contributors work for.
Patrick
On 4/11/07, Stephane Nicoll <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know numerous software companies in Belgium using Maven in fields
> such as logistics, banking and geospatial).
>
> Cheers,
> Stéphane
>
>
>
> On 4/11/07, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> > 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> > very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
> >
> > Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium
> and
> > Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Stephane Nicoll <st...@gmail.com>.
I know numerous software companies in Belgium using Maven in fields
such as logistics, banking and geospatial).
Cheers,
Stéphane
On 4/11/07, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Darshan Santani <sa...@gmail.com>.
RedHat Inc uses Maven, as the project management framework along with other
open source technologies. Hope this helps. Thanks
-dsantani
RE: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Phill Moran <pj...@rogers.com>.
Accenture uses it for build projects
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Sent: April 11, 2007 7:06 AM
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On Wed, April 11, 2007 10:00 am, Gilles Scokart wrote:
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try
> to 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven
> is now very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium
> and Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
It's being used within the Standard Bank group of companies.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Wed, April 11, 2007 10:00 am, Gilles Scokart wrote:
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
It's being used within the Standard Bank group of companies.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by jallen <jo...@hotmail.com>.
Fujitsu Services
Gilles Scokart wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
>
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RE: Maven users in the industry
Posted by "Siegmann Daniel, NY" <Da...@fja-us.com>.
Maven2 is the primary build tool used by my company, and I know it is
used for at least one major project in our parent company (we're in the
US, they parent company is in Germany). Some older projects are still
using Maven1 or Ant.
Maven2 (including its plugins and auxiliary software) is not without its
flaws. It requires some investment in infrastructure, and configuration
of projects can be a pain. It is still somewhat buggy and incomplete in
places, but it has progressed nicely and I expect will soon be quite
solid.
Given my experience with Maven2, I feel it is well worth the effort.
Using Maven2 is remarkably easy. It has many powerful features, and can
take time consuming (and usually tedious) tasks and make them trivial. I
cannot speak for my company as a whole, but I have been quite satisfied.
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Daniel Siegmann
FJA-US, Inc.
512 Seventh Ave., New York, NY 10018
(212) 840-2618 ext. 139
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From: Wim Deblauwe [mailto:wim.deblauwe@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Maven users in the industry
I know 2 companies in Belgium that use Maven (one of them still Maven
1.x), but I don't know if I can put their names up. But it is used in
Belgium :)
regards,
Wim
2007/4/11, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try
> to 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven
> is now very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium
> and Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Wim Deblauwe <wi...@gmail.com>.
I know 2 companies in Belgium that use Maven (one of them still Maven 1.x),
but I don't know if I can put their names up. But it is used in Belgium :)
regards,
Wim
2007/4/11, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>.
Hi Gilles,
without violating my NDA ....
An US-based global player for mobile content delivery frameworks
switched from ANT to Maven2/CruiseControl to improve the distributed
software development covering development teams located in the USA,
Canada and Europe.
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
Gilles Scokart wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Thu, April 12, 2007 5:53 pm, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> - We have no expertise on Maven (they want somebody to teach them how to
> do
> things rather than assuming the responsibility of their own learning)
Hear this a lot as well. At the core is the question "what decision can I
make that will involve the least amount of work for me personally?". Often
the management decision is based on what's best for the manager, not
what's best for the organisation or the development team.
> - Build's no different from Ant (managers don't see the benefits because
> proper metrics aren't gathered and they don't give it enough time. All
> they
> see is an immediate disturbance in way things are done)
The key here is to identify what in the ant build is broken, and use the
corresponding non-brokenness in maven to sell as a solution. As most ant
build scripts are half hearted solutions at best, it is usually not hard
to find breakage.
In our case, ant scripts had been set up such that everybody shared the
same jar repository, meaning that the first person to build a broken jar,
broke the build for everybody. They had to go.
> - No benefit in Maven related goodies (e.g. Maven site, Continuum - I set
> up
> both, people don't see the benefit: unofficial, not in use, extra, nobody
> looks at reports. I mostly think the organization's as a whole is just not
> at the maturity level they could do software differently, based on
> test-driven and continous integration principles)
In our case the key driver behind it all was continuous integration, it's
all in the way you sell it.
By far and away the biggest problem on our team was undisciplined
developers checking in broken code. Everyone else does an update, and boom
- no more work until the original person fixed their code.
Unfortunately the best advert for continuous integration happens _after_
you have continuous integration - people suddenly find the build remains
fixed. And when it breaks, everyone gets emailed about it, so everyone
knows exactly who to moan at if the build does break for them.
We pointed out what broken builds was costing the project, suddenly all
resistence melted away.
> - Builds break of unknown reasons, server down, plugins not found
> (somewhat
> legitimate. Explain again why my build machine needs http to build? We
> resorted to using a file repository only. I think a better way to solve
> this
> problem is with better maven proxies, like Archiva, and of course setting
> the versions of everything you are using)
When provisioning new people, we always start them off with a clean slate.
The very first build downloads half the internet, and the new maven users
sit wide eyed going "what is all this stuff it's doing?".
Our answer is a smooth "it's doing lots of stuff for you automatically,
see how you don't need to do this stuff yourself, and see how it doesn't
download everything the second time".
"Wow..." they exclaim with wide eyes, and they're usually pretty sold from
that point on.
> - We don't know the plugins and transitive dependencies we are using (I
> mostly attribute this to people just being lazy and not bothering to check
> reports and understand the architecture)
> - What's a snapshot, how do we version properly (module versioning had
> never
> before been used - only the product as a whole) so we were not in any
> worse
> position. But the truth is that release planning and doing it properly
> takes
> time, even with Maven)
We sold this on one support incident. Production had a bug, and they
didn't have the source code for that version of production. While they
were running around like headless chickens we said "there is a solution
you know...".
The first time we showed them the release procedure, it sealed the deal:
mvn release:prepare
mvn release:perform
And you are done.
Regards,
Graham
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RE: Maven users in the industry
Posted by "Heck, Joe" <Jo...@dig.com>.
This may or may not apply -
We've only recently moved to Maven adoption, and while there have been
some problems with the move, the reasons for moving were always very
clear - concrete delineation of our dependencies (We have a fairly deep
dependency tree, with a lot of older code). That was recognized as a
problem across the board, and just having that as a concrete point made
a big difference.
We also expended a fairly significant period of time with one or two
folks to just learn Maven. Learn it deep, convert builds, try it out -
make sure it really worked. We generated internal task-based
documentation from that process, and we showed it working in a number of
brown-bag kinds of meeting and one on one's. Having someone available to
answer questions for anyone attempting to convert was/is crucial.
Frustrations have come up around control - Maven has the very definitive
life-cycle of builds, but within a phase of the lifecycle things become
very undefined in terms of "what goes first" and for our more complex
product builds, we need some level of control. Maven is also clearly
most beneficial for Java, and more "just another thing to wrap" when it
comes to any other style of build. Some of our product uses both java
development, C++, and C# all in one combined product suite. We've got it
building with Maven - to the heroic effort of some of the devs - but
only because they were enthusiastic about the tool set and the potential
for both now and into the future.
-joe
Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> I second that. On a large organization, with lesser Java knowledge and
> only
> very few strong engineering leads, any change meets resistance. I went
> through the same converting our project to Maven and there's still
> resistance. The most common arguments I hear:
> - We have no expertise on Maven (they want somebody to teach them how
> to do
> things rather than assuming the responsibility of their own learning)
Here, the luck of Maven's documentation join the game, if we only had
good (and short;-) docs describing what is a life cycle, when and why
the local repository should be cleaned up and more and more....
referring the whole team to read "Better Builds With Maven" does not
work for engineers looking for the fast and short solution (but, it's a
great book).
> - Build's no different from Ant (managers don't see the benefits
because
> proper metrics aren't gathered and they don't give it enough time. All
> they
> see is an immediate disturbance in way things are done)
> - No benefit in Maven related goodies (e.g. Maven site, Continuum - I
> set up
> both, people don't see the benefit: unofficial, not in use, extra,
nobody
> looks at reports. I mostly think the organization's as a whole is just
> not
> at the maturity level they could do software differently, based on
> test-driven and continous integration principles)
Most of my managers does use the reports, but here comes the other
issue, if we have a 50 component project, you can't see the project's
status, you can only see the component's status, for example: unit tests
summary on a project's level, code coverage rate, even the javadoc
aggregation is broken.
>
> - Builds break of unknown reasons, server down, plugins not found
> (somewhat
> legitimate. Explain again why my build machine needs http to build? We
> resorted to using a file repository only. I think a better way to
> solve this
> problem is with better maven proxies, like Archiva, and of course
setting
> the versions of everything you are using)
Yep, and add repositories downtime...
> - We don't know the plugins and transitive dependencies we are using
(I
> mostly attribute this to people just being lazy and not bothering to
> check
> reports and understand the architecture)
> - What's a snapshot, how do we version properly (module versioning had
> never
> before been used - only the product as a whole) so we were not in any
> worse
> position. But the truth is that release planning and doing it properly
> takes
> time, even with Maven)
So, I think you can find some of Maven's disadvantages from the recent
emails, but don't get it wrong, I think Maven is the way to go.
Erez.
>
> Kalle
>
> On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I assume you did not have the opportunity to convince the old
C++/Make
>> guys to change their habits... :-)
>>
>> Erez.
>> Barrie Treloar wrote:
>> > On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
>> >> If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we
>> still
>> >> have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
>> >
>> > How can there be resistance?
>> > Once you get things up and running m2 is so much more simpler to
>> > maintain/manage.
>> >
>> > Ant still has it's place for scripting things outside the build
>> > lifecylce.
>> > Make definitely isn't needed anymore.
>> >
>>
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com>.
That is a good summary of the difficulties I'm facing, are you sure we
are not on same office? :-) .
Please see inline for more...
Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> I second that. On a large organization, with lesser Java knowledge and
> only
> very few strong engineering leads, any change meets resistance. I went
> through the same converting our project to Maven and there's still
> resistance. The most common arguments I hear:
> - We have no expertise on Maven (they want somebody to teach them how
> to do
> things rather than assuming the responsibility of their own learning)
Here, the luck of Maven's documentation join the game, if we only had
good (and short;-) docs describing what is a life cycle, when and why
the local repository should be cleaned up and more and more....
referring the whole team to read "Better Builds With Maven" does not
work for engineers looking for the fast and short solution (but, it's a
great book).
> - Build's no different from Ant (managers don't see the benefits because
> proper metrics aren't gathered and they don't give it enough time. All
> they
> see is an immediate disturbance in way things are done)
> - No benefit in Maven related goodies (e.g. Maven site, Continuum - I
> set up
> both, people don't see the benefit: unofficial, not in use, extra, nobody
> looks at reports. I mostly think the organization's as a whole is just
> not
> at the maturity level they could do software differently, based on
> test-driven and continous integration principles)
Most of my managers does use the reports, but here comes the other
issue, if we have a 50 component project, you can't see the project's
status, you can only see the component's status, for example: unit tests
summary on a project's level, code coverage rate, even the javadoc
aggregation is broken.
>
> - Builds break of unknown reasons, server down, plugins not found
> (somewhat
> legitimate. Explain again why my build machine needs http to build? We
> resorted to using a file repository only. I think a better way to
> solve this
> problem is with better maven proxies, like Archiva, and of course setting
> the versions of everything you are using)
Yep, and add repositories downtime...
> - We don't know the plugins and transitive dependencies we are using (I
> mostly attribute this to people just being lazy and not bothering to
> check
> reports and understand the architecture)
> - What's a snapshot, how do we version properly (module versioning had
> never
> before been used - only the product as a whole) so we were not in any
> worse
> position. But the truth is that release planning and doing it properly
> takes
> time, even with Maven)
So, I think you can find some of Maven's disadvantages from the recent
emails, but don't get it wrong, I think Maven is the way to go.
Erez.
>
> Kalle
>
> On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I assume you did not have the opportunity to convince the old C++/Make
>> guys to change their habits... :-)
>>
>> Erez.
>> Barrie Treloar wrote:
>> > On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
>> >> If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we
>> still
>> >> have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
>> >
>> > How can there be resistance?
>> > Once you get things up and running m2 is so much more simpler to
>> > maintain/manage.
>> >
>> > Ant still has it's place for scripting things outside the build
>> > lifecylce.
>> > Make definitely isn't needed anymore.
>> >
>>
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
I second that. On a large organization, with lesser Java knowledge and only
very few strong engineering leads, any change meets resistance. I went
through the same converting our project to Maven and there's still
resistance. The most common arguments I hear:
- We have no expertise on Maven (they want somebody to teach them how to do
things rather than assuming the responsibility of their own learning)
- Build's no different from Ant (managers don't see the benefits because
proper metrics aren't gathered and they don't give it enough time. All they
see is an immediate disturbance in way things are done)
- No benefit in Maven related goodies (e.g. Maven site, Continuum - I set up
both, people don't see the benefit: unofficial, not in use, extra, nobody
looks at reports. I mostly think the organization's as a whole is just not
at the maturity level they could do software differently, based on
test-driven and continous integration principles)
- Builds break of unknown reasons, server down, plugins not found (somewhat
legitimate. Explain again why my build machine needs http to build? We
resorted to using a file repository only. I think a better way to solve this
problem is with better maven proxies, like Archiva, and of course setting
the versions of everything you are using)
- We don't know the plugins and transitive dependencies we are using (I
mostly attribute this to people just being lazy and not bothering to check
reports and understand the architecture)
- What's a snapshot, how do we version properly (module versioning had never
before been used - only the product as a whole) so we were not in any worse
position. But the truth is that release planning and doing it properly takes
time, even with Maven)
Kalle
On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I assume you did not have the opportunity to convince the old C++/Make
> guys to change their habits... :-)
>
> Erez.
> Barrie Treloar wrote:
> > On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
> >> If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we still
> >> have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
> >
> > How can there be resistance?
> > Once you get things up and running m2 is so much more simpler to
> > maintain/manage.
> >
> > Ant still has it's place for scripting things outside the build
> > lifecylce.
> > Make definitely isn't needed anymore.
> >
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Posted by Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com>.
I assume you did not have the opportunity to convince the old C++/Make
guys to change their habits... :-)
Erez.
Barrie Treloar wrote:
> On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
>> If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we still
>> have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
>
> How can there be resistance?
> Once you get things up and running m2 is so much more simpler to
> maintain/manage.
>
> Ant still has it's place for scripting things outside the build
> lifecylce.
> Make definitely isn't needed anymore.
>
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Posted by Barrie Treloar <ba...@gmail.com>.
On 4/12/07, Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
> If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we still
> have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
How can there be resistance?
Once you get things up and running m2 is so much more simpler to
maintain/manage.
Ant still has it's place for scripting things outside the build lifecylce.
Make definitely isn't needed anymore.
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Erez Nahir <er...@gmail.com>.
Here in Cisco we use Maven2.
If you can, when your presentation is ready, please share it, we still
have some resistance from old make/ant supporters...
Thanks,
Erez.
Gilles Scokart wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Posted by "Heck, Joe" <Jo...@dig.com>.
Disney is using Maven2 - right now, just one business unit, but there's
growing interest.
-joe
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Hi,
Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium
and
Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
Thanks for your help.
Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by Carlos Sanchez <ca...@apache.org>.
We have helped Fortune 2000 companies to adopt Maven, technology
companies, financial and educational institutions.
On 4/11/07, Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I will try to
> 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something like "Look, Maven is now
> very used in the industry, It's for instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in Belgium and
> Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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Re: Maven users in the industry
Posted by emerson cargnin <ec...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys, I'm preparing a report to tell the advantages to migrate from
maven 1 to maven 2. It would be really nice to share your views.
I would start with:
Maven2 pros:
- Release procedure inexistent in maven1
- Faster build (is any benchmarks?)
- transitive dependencies
- More reproducible builds
thanks
emerson
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> Hi,
>
> Next week I have to make a presentation to my collegues. I
> will try to 'sell' maven, and I would like to say something
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> instance used by ...".
>
> Did you know any companies using Maven, more particularily in
> Belgium and Europe, but worlwide would be ok also?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gilles
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