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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com> on 2012/05/04 18:52:14 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi.
2012/5/4 Roberto Salomon <ro...@gmail.com>
> That being said, however, I must agree with Louis. Despite the ease of
> engaging local communities, local lists also quickly led to communication
> problems between the local and the international groups putting them,
> sometimes, at opposite ends
Yes. The interaction with users who do not understand much English, and the
interaction with users who do not understand much English, and
communication of us Brazilians on the here AOO.
2012/5/4 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi
>
See here for an example of how to propose a new list:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/wlbesmw3wfa2j67l
>
> 1) Propose it in a new thread, with a clear title
>
Ok.
>
> 2) Name of list
>
Brazilian users Mailing List:
ooo-geral-ptbr@incubator.apache.org,
> 3) Purpose of list, topics it will cover
>
QA, localization, announcements, generic discussions, and the project list
is for volunteers only (not for users) and it is used
to coordinate activities in brazilian, and others.
>
> 4) Who will moderate the list? Should list 2 or 3 ok Must include
> PPMC members.
>
Me. Can also Claudio moderate the list.
I'm not member PPMC, Claudio is the.
>
> 5) Wait 72 hours to see if there are any objections.
>
Ok.
Thanks Rob,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by luizheli <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
(...)
Sorry!
Just completing, for volunteering to moderate the mailing list: I, Claudio
and Luiz. :)
> Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like:
>
> Moderators:
>
> 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com
> 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com
> 3. Luiz (?)
>
>
> I was about to do it myself, when I found there are two Luiz:
> luizheli luizheli at gmail dot com
> Luiz Oliveira lcoluiggi at gmail dot com
> I'm not sure who is the Luiz future moderator here, so please add the
> list yourself :)
There is Not two LUIZ, only One: ME!!! I have two emails. Here:
@luizheli, in Brazil: @lcoluiggi
rgs
Luiz Oliveira
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by luizheli <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Em 07-05-2012 21:06, Albino Biasutti Neto escreveu:
> Hi.
>
> 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>
>
>> Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like:
>>
>> Moderators:
>>
>> 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com
>> 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com
>> 3. Luiz (?)
I'm sorry for the confusion. I am registered on this list with mail
@luizheli and in Brazil lists with @lcoluiggi. But I swear that either
one or the other even ME! ;)
Best,
Luiz Oliveira
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>
> Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like:
>
> Moderators:
>
> 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com
> 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com
> 3. Luiz (?)
>
>
> I was about to do it myself, when I found there are two Luiz:
> luizheli luizheli at gmail dot com
> Luiz Oliveira lcoluiggi at gmail dot com
> I'm not sure who is the Luiz future moderator here, so please add the
> list yourself :)
>
>
Ok, :)
The moderators:
1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com
2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com
3. Luiz Oliveira, lcoluiggi at gmail dot com
I added in JIRA, thanks.
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Albino,
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:30:26PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi.
>
> 2012/5/7 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
>
> > The moderators of list are I and Claudio.
> >
> > I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel.
> >
> > Best,
> > Albino
> >
>
> Sorry!
>
> Just completing, for volunteering to moderate the mailing list: I, Claudio
> and Luiz. :)
Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like:
Moderators:
1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com
2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com
3. Luiz (?)
I was about to do it myself, when I found there are two Luiz:
luizheli luizheli at gmail dot com
Luiz Oliveira lcoluiggi at gmail dot com
I'm not sure who is the Luiz future moderator here, so please add the
list yourself :)
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/7 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
> The moderators of list are I and Claudio.
>
> I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel.
>
> Best,
> Albino
>
Sorry!
Just completing, for volunteering to moderate the mailing list: I, Claudio
and Luiz. :)
Tks,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>
> The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
> http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb
> You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
>
The 72h the ended (04/May/12 20:39) since the reactivate of proposal.
> Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
> name of the moderators.
>
The moderators of list are I and Claudio.
I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel.
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto
<bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> The list has been approved ?
>
You should read this page on decision-making in Apache projects:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html
Especially the section on "stating lazy consensus".
So for most decisions at Apache (notable exceptions are release votes
and voting in new committers) you should not expect a formal vote.
Instead, someone makes a proposal, gives sufficient time for
objections to be raised (72 hours is typical). If no objections are
raised then you go forward to implement the proposal.
So in the case of a mailing list creation, you might include a link to
the proposal thread in your JIRA request, to show that there were no
objections.
-Rob
> Best,
>
> Send by Android
> Mensagem enviada via Android.
> Albino @bino28
> Em 08/05/2012 17:05, "Kay Schenk" <ka...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2012 04:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>>> <ar...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Albino,
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
>>>>>
>>>>> I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/**INFRA-4532<http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
>>>> http://markmail.org/message/**gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb<http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
>>> has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
>>> "Silence is consent".
>>>
>>> Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean "I have no objections". IMHO,
>>> +1 should mean more like "I strongly support this and am willing to
>>> help".
>>>
>>> You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
>>>> Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
>>>> name of the moderators.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And then please update this page, once the list is created:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/native-lang.html<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>
>> yes...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> --
>>>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>>>> La Plata, Argentina
>>>>
>>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>> And life has a funny way of helping you out
>> Helping you out."
>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
The list has been approved ?
Best,
Send by Android
Mensagem enviada via Android.
Albino @bino28
Em 08/05/2012 17:05, "Kay Schenk" <ka...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>
> On 05/07/2012 04:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> <ar...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Albino,
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
>>>>
>>>> I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
>>>>
>>>> 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/**INFRA-4532<http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
>>> http://markmail.org/message/**gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb<http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb>
>>>
>>
>> And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
>> has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
>> "Silence is consent".
>>
>> Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean "I have no objections". IMHO,
>> +1 should mean more like "I strongly support this and am willing to
>> help".
>>
>> You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
>>> Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
>>> name of the moderators.
>>>
>>>
>> And then please update this page, once the list is created:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/native-lang.html<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> yes...
>
>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>>> La Plata, Argentina
>>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
> MzK
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 05/07/2012 04:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <ar...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Albino,
>>
>> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
>>>
>>> I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
>>>
>>> 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
>>
>> The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
>> http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb
>
> And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
> has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
> "Silence is consent".
>
> Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean "I have no objections". IMHO,
> +1 should mean more like "I strongly support this and am willing to
> help".
>
>> You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
>> Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
>> name of the moderators.
>>
>
> And then please update this page, once the list is created:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html
>
> -Rob
yes...
>
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> La Plata, Argentina
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<ar...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Albino,
>
> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
>>
>> I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
>>
>> 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
>
> The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
> http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb
And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
"Silence is consent".
Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean "I have no objections". IMHO,
+1 should mean more like "I strongly support this and am willing to
help".
> You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
> Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
> name of the moderators.
>
And then please update this page, once the list is created:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html
-Rob
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Albino,
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi.
>
> How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
>
> I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
>
> 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb
You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
name of the moderators.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
How is the progress of the vote ? [0]
I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)
0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/4 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>
> > I will be moderator too, Ariel. I think that we can collect votes for
> this.
> >
> > I reopened the issue at JIRA[1]
> > [1]http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
> >
> > +1 from me.
>
> yes, this is a good idea. The only objection from the Infra people was
> the missing PROPOSAL thread :)
>
>
We have tree moderators: me, Claudio and Luiz. :)
Thanks Claudio.
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Claudio,
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:40:20PM -0300, Claudio Filho wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2012/5/4 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
> > You can be moderator without being PPMC member (in the Spanish mailing
> > list, one of the moderators is not even a Committer). I guess the
> > [PROPOSAL] thread should start once you have all moderators, part of
> > a clear proposal.
>
> I will be moderator too, Ariel. I think that we can collect votes for this.
>
> I reopened the issue at JIRA[1]
> [1]http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
>
> +1 from me.
yes, this is a good idea. The only objection from the Infra people was
the missing PROPOSAL thread :)
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
2012/5/4 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
> You can be moderator without being PPMC member (in the Spanish mailing
> list, one of the moderators is not even a Committer). I guess the
> [PROPOSAL] thread should start once you have all moderators, part of
> a clear proposal.
I will be moderator too, Ariel. I think that we can collect votes for this.
I reopened the issue at JIRA[1]
[1]http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532
+1 from me.
Claudio
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:53:57PM -0300, luizheli wrote:
> I have some experience in the moderation list. I'm not a PPMC member,
> but I'm available if you can help it.
You can be moderator without being PPMC member (in the Spanish mailing
list, one of the moderators is not even a Committer). I guess the
[PROPOSAL] thread should start once you have all moderators, part of
a clear proposal.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Posted by luizheli <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
(...)
> Hi.
> 4) Who will moderate the list? Should list 2 or 3 ok Must include
> PPMC members.
>
> Me. Can also Claudio moderate the list.
>
> I'm not member PPMC, Claudio is the.
>
>
I have some experience in the moderation list. I'm not a PPMC member,
but I'm available if you can help it.
rgds,
Luiz Oliveira