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[Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Hi, especially our mentors,
The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that when we
move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping a
line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to see
whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by then.
Thanks!
Gj
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Great!
Gj
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> ...That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB...
>
> That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
OK, given it time and will put the IPMC vote result tally together during
today.
Thanks all, looks like we have Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta.
Gj
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:
> just asked a few more impc colleagues to review, but apart from that we
> can tally the vote.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 14.02.2018 um 07:29 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > OK, we have three +1 IPMC votes and it is over 72 hours since starting
> the
> > IPMC thread and the discussion in the thread has died down.
> >
> > Can we wrap it up and release rc3 as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0
> Beta?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Jaroslav Tulach <
> jaroslav.tulach@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> 2018-02-12 22:59 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since
> >>> days :/
> >>>
> >>> As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse
> >> equinox
> >>> jar, isn't?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I see. Then it is something I should solve.
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/257 - I'll work on
> the
> >> option #1.
> >>
> >>
> >>> For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is
> >>> optional?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The answer depends on whether we talk about the NetBeans Platform or the
> >> whole IDE. From the point of view of NetBeans Platform this library is
> >> optional.
> >> -jt
> >>
> >>> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the
> >> incubator@general
> >>> mailing list.
> >>>
> >>> There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
> >>>
> >>> Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
> >>> have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
> >>>
> >>> Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which
> 2
> >>> are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and
> Ate).
> >>> Should something be done about this?
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though
> >> ideally
> >>>> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid
> >> these
> >>>> tagging problems before we do that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any insights/ideas re this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
> >>>>> putting the rc3 together:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
> >>>>> NetBeans+Release+README
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
> >>>>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
> >>>>> make the above as complete as possible?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <johnstosh@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
> >>>>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which
> >> are
> >>>>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
> >>>>>> Our solution has been to
> >>>>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
> >>>>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
> >>>>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
> >>>>> came
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more
> >> by
> >>>>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the
> file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hope the info helps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kind Regards,
> >>>>>> Johnny
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Johnny Muczynski
> >>>>>> 734-262-2045
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <neilcsmith@apache.org
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?)
> >> in
> >>>>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason
> >> for
> >>>>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards
> checking
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source
> bundle.
> >>>>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with
> >> "have
> >>>>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
> >>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were
> discussing
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> other day then! ;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Neil
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Neil C Smith
> >>>>>>> Artist & Technologist
> >>>>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> >>>>> www.praxislive.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
just asked a few more impc colleagues to review, but apart from that we can tally the vote.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 14.02.2018 um 07:29 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>:
>
> OK, we have three +1 IPMC votes and it is over 72 hours since starting the
> IPMC thread and the discussion in the thread has died down.
>
> Can we wrap it up and release rc3 as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 2018-02-12 22:59 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since
>>> days :/
>>>
>>> As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse
>> equinox
>>> jar, isn't?
>>>
>>
>> I see. Then it is something I should solve.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/257 - I'll work on the
>> option #1.
>>
>>
>>> For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is
>>> optional?
>>>
>>
>> The answer depends on whether we talk about the NetBeans Platform or the
>> whole IDE. From the point of view of NetBeans Platform this library is
>> optional.
>> -jt
>>
>>> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>> OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the
>> incubator@general
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
>>>
>>> Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
>>> have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
>>>
>>> Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
>>> are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
>>> Should something be done about this?
>>>
>>> Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though
>> ideally
>>>> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid
>> these
>>>> tagging problems before we do that.
>>>>
>>>> Any insights/ideas re this?
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
>>>>> putting the rc3 together:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
>>>>> NetBeans+Release+README
>>>>>
>>>>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
>>>>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
>>>>> make the above as complete as possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
>>>>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which
>> are
>>>>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
>>>>>> Our solution has been to
>>>>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
>>>>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
>>>>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
>>>>> came
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more
>> by
>>>>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope the info helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Johnny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Johnny Muczynski
>>>>>> 734-262-2045
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?)
>> in
>>>>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason
>> for
>>>>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>>>>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with
>> "have
>>>>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other day then! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Neil C Smith
>>>>>>> Artist & Technologist
>>>>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>>>>> www.praxislive.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
OK, we have three +1 IPMC votes and it is over 72 hours since starting the
IPMC thread and the discussion in the thread has died down.
Can we wrap it up and release rc3 as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta?
Thanks,
Gj
On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2018-02-12 22:59 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since
> > days :/
> >
> > As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse
> equinox
> > jar, isn't?
> >
>
> I see. Then it is something I should solve.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/257 - I'll work on the
> option #1.
>
>
> > For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is
> > optional?
> >
>
> The answer depends on whether we talk about the NetBeans Platform or the
> whole IDE. From the point of view of NetBeans Platform this library is
> optional.
> -jt
>
> > Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the
> incubator@general
> > mailing list.
> >
> > There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
> >
> > Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
> > have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
> >
> > Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
> > are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
> > Should something be done about this?
> >
> > Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though
> ideally
> >> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid
> these
> >> tagging problems before we do that.
> >>
> >> Any insights/ideas re this?
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
> >>> putting the rc3 together:
> >>>
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
> >>> NetBeans+Release+README
> >>>
> >>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
> >>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
> >>> make the above as complete as possible?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
> >>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which
> are
> >>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
> >>>> Our solution has been to
> >>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
> >>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
> >>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
> >>> came
> >>>> from
> >>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
> >>>>
> >>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more
> by
> >>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope the info helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind Regards,
> >>>> Johnny
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Johnny Muczynski
> >>>> 734-262-2045
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?)
> in
> >>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason
> for
> >>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
> >>> in
> >>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
> >>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with
> "have
> >>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
> >>> instead
> >>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
> >>> the
> >>>>> other day then! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Neil
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Neil C Smith
> >>>>> Artist & Technologist
> >>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> >>> www.praxislive.org
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>.
2018-02-12 22:59 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>:
> Hi!
>
> been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since
> days :/
>
> As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse equinox
> jar, isn't?
>
I see. Then it is something I should solve.
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/257 - I'll work on the
option #1.
> For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is
> optional?
>
The answer depends on whether we talk about the NetBeans Platform or the
whole IDE. From the point of view of NetBeans Platform this library is
optional.
-jt
> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>:
>
> OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the incubator@general
> mailing list.
>
> There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
>
> Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
> have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
>
> Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
> are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
> Should something be done about this?
>
> Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though ideally
>> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid
these
>> tagging problems before we do that.
>>
>> Any insights/ideas re this?
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
>>> putting the rc3 together:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
>>> NetBeans+Release+README
>>>
>>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
>>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
>>> make the above as complete as possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
>>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
>>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
>>>> Our solution has been to
>>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
>>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
>>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
>>> came
>>>> from
>>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
>>>>
>>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
>>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>>>>
>>>> Hope the info helps.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Johnny Muczynski
>>>> 734-262-2045
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
>>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
>>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
>>> in
>>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
>>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
>>> instead
>>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
>>> the
>>>>> other day then! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>> --
>>>>> Neil C Smith
>>>>> Artist & Technologist
>>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>>> www.praxislive.org
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Yes, that's the only question at this point -- several approaches are available:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-361
The point is whether we need to solve this right now for the Beta to
be released -- or whether this is something that we need to solve in
order to graduate from the incubator, which is not at all what the
Beta release is about. We know there are various items to still work
on for IP clearance to complete, though we have made a lot of progress
already specifically in the context of rc3:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3
Gj
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:59 PM, Mark Struberg
<st...@yahoo.de.invalid> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since days :/
>
> As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse equinox jar, isn't?
> For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is optional?
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>:
>>
>> OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the incubator@general
>> mailing list.
>>
>> There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
>>
>> Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
>> have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
>>
>> Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
>> are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
>> Should something be done about this?
>>
>> Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though ideally
>>> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid these
>>> tagging problems before we do that.
>>>
>>> Any insights/ideas re this?
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
>>>> putting the rc3 together:
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
>>>> NetBeans+Release+README
>>>>
>>>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
>>>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
>>>> make the above as complete as possible?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
>>>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
>>>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
>>>>> Our solution has been to
>>>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
>>>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
>>>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
>>>> came
>>>>> from
>>>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
>>>>>
>>>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
>>>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope the info helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> Johnny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Johnny Muczynski
>>>>> 734-262-2045
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
>>>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
>>>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
>>>> in
>>>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>>>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
>>>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
>>>> instead
>>>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
>>>> the
>>>>>> other day then! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Neil C Smith
>>>>>> Artist & Technologist
>>>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>>>> www.praxislive.org
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
Hi!
been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since days :/
As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse equinox jar, isn't?
For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is optional?
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>:
>
> OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the incubator@general
> mailing list.
>
> There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
>
> Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
> have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
>
> Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
> are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
> Should something be done about this?
>
> Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though ideally
>> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid these
>> tagging problems before we do that.
>>
>> Any insights/ideas re this?
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
>>> putting the rc3 together:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
>>> NetBeans+Release+README
>>>
>>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
>>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
>>> make the above as complete as possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
>>>> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
>>>> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
>>>> Our solution has been to
>>>> * keep the templates in a separate folder
>>>> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
>>>> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
>>> came
>>>> from
>>>> * not include the template folder in the binary release
>>>>
>>>> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
>>>> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>>>>
>>>> Hope the info helps.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Johnny Muczynski
>>>> 734-262-2045
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
>>>>>> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
>>>>>> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
>>> in
>>>>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>>>>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
>>>>>> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
>>> instead
>>>>>> of re-explaining every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
>>> the
>>>>> other day then! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>> --
>>>>> Neil C Smith
>>>>> Artist & Technologist
>>>>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>>> www.praxislive.org
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
OK, the IPMC vote has been up since Friday, i.e., on the incubator@general
mailing list.
There’s a question there re a legal issue that we need to answer.
Aside from that, what can we do to get the missing binding +1 (since we
have two of those from our mentors and need at least three in total)?
Anyone someone can ping re this — also note we have 5 mentors of which 2
are actually active (and wonderfully helpful thank you Bertrand and Ate).
Should something be done about this?
Many thanks and a good week to everyone,
Gj
On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though ideally
> I think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid these
> tagging problems before we do that.
>
> Any insights/ideas re this?
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
>> putting the rc3 together:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
>> NetBeans+Release+README
>>
>> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
>> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
>> make the above as complete as possible?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
>> > Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
>> > templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
>> > Our solution has been to
>> > * keep the templates in a separate folder
>> > * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
>> > * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
>> came
>> > from
>> > * not include the template folder in the binary release
>> >
>> > For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
>> > wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>> >
>> > Hope the info helps.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> > Johnny
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Johnny Muczynski
>> > 734-262-2045
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
>> >> > the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
>> >> > it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking
>> in
>> >> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>> >> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
>> >> > a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html"
>> instead
>> >> > of re-explaining every time.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
>> the
>> >> other day then! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and best wishes,
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >> --
>> >> Neil C Smith
>> >> Artist & Technologist
>> >> www.neilcsmith.net
>> >>
>> >> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
>> www.praxislive.org
>> >>
>>
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
It looks to me like we should go ahead with the IPMC vote, though ideally I
think we’d add/correct the page referenced above with info to avoid these
tagging problems before we do that.
Any insights/ideas re this?
Gj
On Friday, February 9, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
> putting the rc3 together:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Apache+NetBeans+Release+README
>
> What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
> specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
> make the above as complete as possible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
> > Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
> > templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
> > Our solution has been to
> > * keep the templates in a separate folder
> > * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
> > * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it
> came
> > from
> > * not include the template folder in the binary release
> >
> > For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
> > wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
> >
> > Hope the info helps.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Johnny
> >
> >
> > --
> > Johnny Muczynski
> > 734-262-2045
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
> >> > the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
> >> > it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking in
> >> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
> >> Something for a later discussion anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
> >> > a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html" instead
> >> > of re-explaining every time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing
> the
> >> other day then! ;-)
> >>
> >> Thanks and best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >> --
> >> Neil C Smith
> >> Artist & Technologist
> >> www.neilcsmith.net
> >>
> >> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> www.praxislive.org
> >>
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Here's our release management page with instructions I followed in
putting the rc3 together:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+README
What could be added/changed/corrected in the above to avoid the
specific issues that have arisen with the tag -- and anything else to
make the above as complete as possible?
Thanks,
Gj
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
> Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
> templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
> Our solution has been to
> * keep the templates in a separate folder
> * use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
> * try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it came
> from
> * not include the template folder in the binary release
>
> For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
> wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
>
> Hope the info helps.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johnny
>
>
> --
> Johnny Muczynski
> 734-262-2045
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
>> > the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
>> > it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking in
>> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
>> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
>> > a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html" instead
>> > of re-explaining every time.
>> >
>> >
>> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing the
>> other day then! ;-)
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>> --
>> Neil C Smith
>> Artist & Technologist
>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>
>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys,
re: LICENSE being slightly different in the source tarball
Here at SimuQuest, we've had similar confusions between files which are
templates in version control but fleshed out in the release.
Our solution has been to
* keep the templates in a separate folder
* use a templating language like the one in maven or Velocity
* try to keep comments in each file saying what it is and where it came
from
* not include the template folder in the binary release
For us, this has been motivated less by tarball comparisons and more by
wanting developers to modify and commit the "right" copy of the file.
Hope the info helps.
Kind Regards,
Johnny
--
Johnny Muczynski
734-262-2045
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
> > the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
> > it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
> >
>
> Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking in
> and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
> Something for a later discussion anyway.
>
>
> >
> > For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
> > a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html" instead
> > of re-explaining every time.
> >
> >
> Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing the
> other day then! ;-)
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:30 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
> the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
> it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
>
Thanks. Yes it's better - to clarify I meant aiming towards checking in
and tracking history in git of the version in the full source bundle.
Something for a later discussion anyway.
>
> For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
> a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html" instead
> of re-explaining every time.
>
>
Definitely one to add to the list of initial pages we were discussing the
other day then! ;-)
Thanks and best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...it's a real gotcha I think we're going to have to keep answering. I'd
> be interested in your (and other mentors) thoughts on this...
I think LICENSE being slightly different (better actually, right?) in
the source tarball is perfectly fine if there's a rational reason for
it - you just need to reassure people that it's not a mistake.
For that you just need to be able to answer such questions with "have
a look at http://netbeans.apache.org/release-management.html" instead
of re-explaining every time.
On that page there can be a justification for that minor difference as
well as any things that people need to know about how you build
releases.
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 10:11 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > ...That's because the tail of this file is generated as part of building
> the
> > source zip isn't it?..
>
> Bingo - removing the tail produces a match, thanks for clarifying!
>
> IMO those things ("the tag will not be identical" etc) should be
> documented on a NetBeans release management page, to be able to answer
> such questions with an URL.
>
>
Yes, it's a real gotcha I think we're going to have to keep answering. I'd
be interested in your (and other mentors) thoughts on this, because I think
we should be aiming for a situation where git cloning the tag and a full
source zip are identical?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...That's because the tail of this file is generated as part of building the
> source zip isn't it?..
Bingo - removing the tail produces a match, thanks for clarifying!
IMO those things ("the tag will not be identical" etc) should be
documented on a NetBeans release management page, to be able to answer
such questions with an URL.
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 at 09:51 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I still see differences, incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-source.zip
> contains
>
> MD5 (LICENSE) = 6a87311b0cbacb9250a56cf5950ba9b3
>
> But
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/9.0-beta-rc3/LICENSE
> has
>
> MD5 (LICENSE) = b1e01b26bacfc2232046c90a330332b3
>
That's because the tail of this file is generated as part of building the
source zip isn't it?
I still dislike the fact we're doing this. But I guess something reviewers
need to be aware of too?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI, I've moved the tag to "41da26b7de7506c86dee891b88b50f3c6f37b5bb":
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/releases/tag/9.0-beta-rc3
I still see differences, incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-source.zip contains
MD5 (LICENSE) = 6a87311b0cbacb9250a56cf5950ba9b3
But https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/9.0-beta-rc3/LICENSE
has
MD5 (LICENSE) = b1e01b26bacfc2232046c90a330332b3
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
FYI, I've moved the tag to "41da26b7de7506c86dee891b88b50f3c6f37b5bb":
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/releases/tag/9.0-beta-rc3
Jan
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume this was the release build job that built the zips:
> https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/205/
>
> From the job, the revision should be:
> 41da26b7de7506c86dee891b88b50f3c6f37b5bb
>
> but the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag is currently:
> 33cafadd733880cd01393469624dc4f81bb2e497
>
> Should be easy to fix.
>
> Jan
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences?
>>
>> I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download — but
>> not
>> very long after.
>>
>> If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so, what are
>> the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>> > Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
>> >
>> > Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
>> > based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
>> >
>> > I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
>> > zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
>> >
>> > From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
>> > created wrong?
>> >
>> > For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
>> >
>> > Ate
>> >
>> > On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>> >>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>> >>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
>> >> this up this evening after diner.
>> >>
>> >> Ate
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Gj
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> >>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> >>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either
>> wait
>> >>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>> >>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -Bertrand
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incub
>> ator.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
>> >>>>> apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
I assume this was the release build job that built the zips:
https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/205/
From the job, the revision should be:
41da26b7de7506c86dee891b88b50f3c6f37b5bb
but the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag is currently:
33cafadd733880cd01393469624dc4f81bb2e497
Should be easy to fix.
Jan
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> What are the differences?
>
> I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download — but not
> very long after.
>
> If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so, what are
> the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
> > Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
> >
> > Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
> > based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
> >
> > I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
> > zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
> >
> > From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
> > created wrong?
> >
> > For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
> >
> > Ate
> >
> > On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> >>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> >>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> >> this up this evening after diner.
> >>
> >> Ate
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Ate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either
> wait
> >>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
> >>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Bertrand
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
> incubator.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
> >>>>> apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org>.
Fortunately this is a non-issue, given the frequency of github commits :)
<ducks>
Gili
On 2018-02-08 5:44 PM, John McDonnell wrote:
> Could I suggest a tweak to the job config for the
> job incubator-netbeans-release?
>
> It seems that it's triggered to build on every commit? I assume there's
> other jobs checking this? if not then how about having a CI related job,
> i.e. one that builds on every commit(and maybe nightly releases when/if we
> hook that up again) and then another one just for releases?
>
> This way we can then start adding logic, like creating a tag in GIT for
> every build and only executing that job when preparing a release - since it
> won't be building so often we won't get lost in tags. There might be other
> logic we include here as well, maybe relating to signatures, automating the
> rest of the release process...
>
> Regards
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 8 February 2018 at 22:12, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yup. Thanks. We’re learning — and I’m less smart than Jan Lahoda when it
>> comes to producing releases, though these gentle slaps on the wrist are
>> great for building up knowledge in understanding the ins and outs of the
>> Apache Way. :-)
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-02-08 22:48, Ate Douma wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>> > What are the differences?
>>>>
>>>> Just as an example, check the README.md files.
>>>> In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
>>>> changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-
>>>> rc3/README.md
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download —
>>>> but not
>>>> > very long after.
>>>>
>>>> Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
>>>> outdated clone or checkout.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so,
>> what
>>>> are
>>>> > the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>>>>
>>>> Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
>>>> source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
>>>>
>>>> For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
>>>> proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
>>>> But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
>>>>
>>>> If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
>>>> assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
>>>> determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
>>>> Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
>>>> hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
>>>> so that it actually matches the source dist.
>>>>
>>> A common practice/rule applied by other ASF projects is to always also
>>> mention the specific git hash upon which the release candidate is based,
>>> besides the tag. That possibly would have prevented this, and/or easier
>>> to check/fix.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
>>>> blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
>>>> to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
>>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Gj
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
>>>> >> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the
>> source
>>>> >> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag
>>>> was
>>>> >> created wrong?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ate
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>>>> >>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>>>> >>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
>>>> >>> this up this evening after diner.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ate
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Ate
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Gj
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>> >>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today,
>> either
>>>> wait
>>>> >>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with
>> the
>>>> >>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> -Bertrand
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ---------
>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
>>>> incubator.apache.org
>>>> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
>>>> >>>>>> apache.org
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing
>>>> +lists
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
>>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
>> incubator.apache.org
>>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
>>>> apache.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
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>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by John McDonnell <mc...@gmail.com>.
Could I suggest a tweak to the job config for the
job incubator-netbeans-release?
It seems that it's triggered to build on every commit? I assume there's
other jobs checking this? if not then how about having a CI related job,
i.e. one that builds on every commit(and maybe nightly releases when/if we
hook that up again) and then another one just for releases?
This way we can then start adding logic, like creating a tag in GIT for
every build and only executing that job when preparing a release - since it
won't be building so often we won't get lost in tags. There might be other
logic we include here as well, maybe relating to signatures, automating the
rest of the release process...
Regards
John
On 8 February 2018 at 22:12, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Yup. Thanks. We’re learning — and I’m less smart than Jan Lahoda when it
> comes to producing releases, though these gentle slaps on the wrist are
> great for building up knowledge in understanding the ins and outs of the
> Apache Way. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2018-02-08 22:48, Ate Douma wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> > What are the differences?
> >>
> >> Just as an example, check the README.md files.
> >> In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
> >> changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-
> >> rc3/README.md
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download —
> >> but not
> >> > very long after.
> >>
> >> Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
> >> outdated clone or checkout.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so,
> what
> >> are
> >> > the differences (and how do you identify that)?
> >>
> >> Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
> >> source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
> >>
> >> For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
> >> proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
> >> But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
> >>
> >> If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
> >> assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
> >> determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
> >> Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
> >> hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
> >> so that it actually matches the source dist.
> >>
> >
> > A common practice/rule applied by other ASF projects is to always also
> > mention the specific git hash upon which the release candidate is based,
> > besides the tag. That possibly would have prevented this, and/or easier
> > to check/fix.
> >
> >
> >> I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
> >> blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
> >> to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
> >>
> >> Ate
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Gj
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
> >> >>
> >> >> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
> >> >> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
> >> >>
> >> >> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the
> source
> >> >> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
> >> >>
> >> >> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag
> >> was
> >> >> created wrong?
> >> >>
> >> >> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ate
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> >> >>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> >> >>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> >> >>> this up this evening after diner.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ate
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Ate
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Gj
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >> >>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today,
> either
> >> wait
> >> >>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with
> the
> >> >>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> -Bertrand
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---------
> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
> >> incubator.apache.org
> >> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
> >> >>>>>> apache.org
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> >> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing
> >> +lists
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
> incubator.apache.org
> >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
> >> apache.org
> >> >>
> >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
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> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Yup. Thanks. We’re learning — and I’m less smart than Jan Lahoda when it
comes to producing releases, though these gentle slaps on the wrist are
great for building up knowledge in understanding the ins and outs of the
Apache Way. :-)
Gj
On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-02-08 22:48, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> > What are the differences?
>>
>> Just as an example, check the README.md files.
>> In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
>> changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-
>> rc3/README.md
>>
>> >
>> > I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download —
>> but not
>> > very long after.
>>
>> Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
>> outdated clone or checkout.
>>
>> >
>> > If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so, what
>> are
>> > the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>>
>> Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
>> source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
>>
>> For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
>> proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
>> But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
>>
>> If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
>> assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
>> determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
>> Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
>> hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
>> so that it actually matches the source dist.
>>
>
> A common practice/rule applied by other ASF projects is to always also
> mention the specific git hash upon which the release candidate is based,
> besides the tag. That possibly would have prevented this, and/or easier
> to check/fix.
>
>
>> I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
>> blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
>> to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
>>
>> Ate
>>
>> >
>> > Gj
>> >
>> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
>> >>
>> >> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
>> >> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
>> >>
>> >> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
>> >> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
>> >>
>> >> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag
>> was
>> >> created wrong?
>> >>
>> >> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
>> >>
>> >> Ate
>> >>
>> >> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>> >>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>> >>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
>> >>> this up this evening after diner.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ate
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Gj
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> >>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either
>> wait
>> >>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>> >>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -Bertrand
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
>> incubator.apache.org
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>> >>>>>>
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>> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing
>> +lists
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2018-02-08 22:48, Ate Douma wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > What are the differences?
>
> Just as an example, check the README.md files.
> In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
> changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-rc3/README.md
>
> >
> > I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download —
> but not
> > very long after.
>
> Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
> outdated clone or checkout.
>
> >
> > If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so,
> what are
> > the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>
> Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
> source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
>
> For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
> proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
> But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
>
> If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
> assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
> determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
> Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
> hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
> so that it actually matches the source dist.
A common practice/rule applied by other ASF projects is to always also
mention the specific git hash upon which the release candidate is based,
besides the tag. That possibly would have prevented this, and/or easier
to check/fix.
>
> I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
> blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
> to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
>
> Ate
>
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >
> >> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
> >>
> >> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
> >> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
> >>
> >> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
> >> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
> >>
> >> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
> >> created wrong?
> >>
> >> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
> >>
> >> Ate
> >>
> >> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> >>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> >>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> >>> this up this evening after diner.
> >>>
> >>> Ate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
> >>>>
> >>>> Ate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today,
> either wait
> >>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
> >>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Bertrand
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Thanks, that’s good and makes sense.
Gj
On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > What are the differences?
>
> Just as an example, check the README.md files.
> In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
> changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-
> rc3/README.md
>
> >
> > I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download — but
> not
> > very long after.
>
> Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
> outdated clone or checkout.
>
> >
> > If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so, what
> are
> > the differences (and how do you identify that)?
>
> Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
> source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
>
> For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
> proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
> But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
>
> If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
> assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
> determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
> Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
> hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
> so that it actually matches the source dist.
>
> I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
> blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
> to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
>
> Ate
>
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >
> >> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
> >>
> >> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
> >> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
> >>
> >> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
> >> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
> >>
> >> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
> >> created wrong?
> >>
> >> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
> >>
> >> Ate
> >>
> >> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> >>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> >>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> >>> this up this evening after diner.
> >>>
> >>> Ate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
> >>>>
> >>>> Ate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either
> wait
> >>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
> >>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Bertrand
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.
> incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
> >>>>>> apache.org
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2018-02-08 22:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> What are the differences?
Just as an example, check the README.md files.
In git []1] it is more than a month old and not including the recent
changes, like mentioning the rat-exclusions.txt, etc.
[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/9.0-beta-rc3/README.md
>
> I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download —
but not
> very long after.
Then I think that tag was created incorrectly. Looks like you tagged an
outdated clone or checkout.
>
> If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so,
what are
> the differences (and how do you identify that)?
Too much to list here, but trivially to check: just diff/compare both
source trees locally (I tend to use/like Meld for these kind of things).
For ASF the vote concerns the source dist *you* prepared, so I'm
proceeding with verifying and voting on that.
But it also should be traceable what the origin is of that source dist.
If you can recall at which time you created that source dist, and
assuming that was against master (?), it might be not difficult to
determine what the HEAD hash was at that time.
Then, after making sure that source dist and that git state for that
hash indeed are equal, I would suggest to drop and recreate the rc3 tag
so that it actually matches the source dist.
I'm fine to +1 the current vote (if/when I'm done and don't find any
blockers, and it looks pretty good to me so far), but IMO the tag needs
to be fixed before moving this vote to the IPMC.
Ate
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
>>
>> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
>> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
>>
>> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
>> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
>>
>> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
>> created wrong?
>>
>> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
>>
>> Ate
>>
>> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
>>> this up this evening after diner.
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum
>>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today,
either wait
>>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> apache.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
What are the differences?
I did make the tag shortly after the source distribution download — but not
very long after.
If there’s a problem here, the fault is mine personally. But, so, what are
the differences (and how do you identify that)?
Gj
On Thursday, February 8, 2018, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
>
> Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
> based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
>
> I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
> zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
>
> From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
> created wrong?
>
> For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
>
> Ate
>
> On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
>> this up this evening after diner.
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>
>>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.
>>>>> apache.org
>>>>>
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>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
Just a quick first check/heads-up, I'm just starting the review.
Surprisingly, the source distribution download is clearly *not*
based on the 9.0-beta-rc3 tag in git!
I checkout the git tag and compared it with the contents of the source
zip and there is a huge amount of differences.
From which 'tag' was the source zip created from, possibly the tag was
created wrong?
For now I'll proceed with checking the sources from the zip.
Ate
On 2018-02-08 16:46, Ate Douma wrote:
> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>
> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> this up this evening after diner.
>
> Ate
>
>>
>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>>
>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bd...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>>
>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>>
>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
That's fine, no probs at all, looking forward to it.
Gj
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
>> claimed my whole day, no time left.
>> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>
>
> Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
> this up this evening after diner.
>
> Ate
>
>
>>
>> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>>
>>
>> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bd...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>>
>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2018-02-07 17:27, Ate Douma wrote:
> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
Sorry, won't make it anymore before EOB (CET) but will try to pick
this up this evening after diner.
Ate
>
> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>
> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>
> Ate
>
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>
>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>>
>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
That's perfect, thanks Ate!
Gj
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
> claimed my whole day, no time left.
> I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
>
> On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
>
>
> The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
>
> Ate
>
>
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>>
>>>
>>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>>
>>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
I've been in a similar situation as Bertrand, d2d job obligations
claimed my whole day, no time left.
I'll try again tomorrow before EOB.
On 2018-02-07 16:45, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
The 72h duration for a vote is a minimum, not a maximum ;-)
Ate
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>>
>> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>>
>> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
>> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
>> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
We can wait until tomorrow morning hopefully! :-)
Gj
On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
>
> There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
>
> It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
> for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
> Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow...
There's been competition for slots on that list ;-)
It looks like I won't be able to review the release today, either wait
for it to happen tomorrow morning hopefully, or go ahead with the
Incubator PMC vote and I'll review there.
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ...That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB...
That should work for me, it's on my list for tomorrow.
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Excellent, many thanks for making time for this.
Gj
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-02-05 18:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>> Hi, especially our mentors,
>>
>> The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that when
>> we
>> move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
>>
>> That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping a
>> line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to see
>> whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by then.
>
>
> I'm in a tight spot this week, possibly can claim one hour (max) for
> it tomorrow morning. I'll do my best.
>
> Ate
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gj
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
My understanding also is that the Apache Incubator exists in order for
projects to work on their IP over multiple incubator releases — and that
the point is to make sure IP issues are clearly identified via JIRA, but
not for all of them to be fixed within one single incubator release.
Gj
On Tuesday, February 6, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Note there are two tables. The first for rc3, the second for after
> rc3. Should that be more explicitly stated (there's a sentence above
> each table about this).
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 2018-02-06 14:26, Ate Douma wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2018-02-05 18:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, especially our mentors,
> >>>
> >>> The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that
> when
> >>> we
> >>> move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
> >>>
> >>> That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping
> a
> >>> line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to
> see
> >>> whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by
> >>> then.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm in a tight spot this week, possibly can claim one hour (max) for
> >> it tomorrow morning. I'll do my best.
> >
> >
> > Just a quick check: looking at [1] I see 6 reported issues against rc2
> > are still open.
> > Some seem lacking activity or unclear direction, or possibly got 'stuck'
> > after initial discussion
> >
> > As rc3 now is up for vote, I assume these open issues are expected to be
> > non-blocking, right? When are these expected/intended to be resolved?
> > That is a question which most definitely will be asked by the IPMC, and
> > therefore best be answered upfront, e.g. added to the vote email for
> > @general.
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Ate
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Note there are two tables. The first for rc3, the second for after
rc3. Should that be more explicitly stated (there's a sentence above
each table about this).
Gj
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-02-06 14:26, Ate Douma wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2018-02-05 18:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, especially our mentors,
>>>
>>> The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that when
>>> we
>>> move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
>>>
>>> That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping a
>>> line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to see
>>> whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by
>>> then.
>>
>>
>> I'm in a tight spot this week, possibly can claim one hour (max) for
>> it tomorrow morning. I'll do my best.
>
>
> Just a quick check: looking at [1] I see 6 reported issues against rc2
> are still open.
> Some seem lacking activity or unclear direction, or possibly got 'stuck'
> after initial discussion
>
> As rc3 now is up for vote, I assume these open issues are expected to be
> non-blocking, right? When are these expected/intended to be resolved?
> That is a question which most definitely will be asked by the IPMC, and
> therefore best be answered upfront, e.g. added to the vote email for
> @general.
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3
>
>
>>
>> Ate
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2018-02-06 14:26, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-02-05 18:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> Hi, especially our mentors,
>>
>> The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that
>> when we
>> move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
>>
>> That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping a
>> line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to see
>> whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by
>> then.
>
> I'm in a tight spot this week, possibly can claim one hour (max) for
> it tomorrow morning. I'll do my best.
Just a quick check: looking at [1] I see 6 reported issues against rc2
are still open.
Some seem lacking activity or unclear direction, or possibly got 'stuck'
after initial discussion
As rc3 now is up for vote, I assume these open issues are expected to be
non-blocking, right? When are these expected/intended to be resolved?
That is a question which most definitely will be asked by the IPMC, and
therefore best be answered upfront, e.g. added to the vote email for
@general.
[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3
>
> Ate
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gj
>>
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Re: [Mentors] 9.0 beta rc3 vote thread
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2018-02-05 18:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi, especially our mentors,
>
> The rc3 vote thread is moving along well and it would be great that when we
> move to the IPMC vote thread we have at least 2 votes from our mentors.
>
> That would mean you’d do your vote by Wednesday CET EOB. Just dropping a
> line to see whether that would be doable — i.e., checking up front to see
> whether two or more mentors would be able to evaluate the release by then.
I'm in a tight spot this week, possibly can claim one hour (max) for
it tomorrow morning. I'll do my best.
Ate
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gj
>
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